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ArnelEA

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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
 

ResidentAlien

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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
Hi and welcome. To me, parts of Deuteronomy 6 sound like they're for the Jewish people and other parts seem more universal.
 

p_rehbein

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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
Which verse(s) in particular are you struggling with? That would help. Regarding Deuteronomy that is.

As for Jeremiah, that is easy to understand how it applies to believers today,

11For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

God loves His children, and He provides them with the ability to live a peaceful life, and the ability to choose Him and receive eternal life. NT is full of scriptures about this, The New Covenant is based on Gods Grace.
 

John146

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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
One is physical promises and commandments to God's physical people Israel, but the body of Christ is the Lord's spiritual children that have been promised spiritual blessings in the heavenly places.
 
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It's about the Israelites in the land of Canaan.

The majority of the people in the land of Israel don't do any of those things they are commanded.That is why they will be destroyed off the land.A small remnant(in Christ) does love the Lord God and fear him in the land he sware to give to Abraham's seed. They do not worship the beast or it's image ,nor do they receive it's mark They will be killed for their testimony of Christ(preaching the gospel).
Those saints will reign with Christ and will possess the land
 

SomeDisciple

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These instructions are for the Israelites; but the principles behind his instructions for a past generation of his people are important for everyone because the God of Israel is the God of the Gentiles, is the God of the Christians.

At the end of Deuteronomy 6, we have the following...

And the LORD commanded us to observe all these statutes and to fear the LORD our God, that we may always be prosperous and preserved, as we are to this day. And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness.”

The standard was given to the Israelites to show them what God would like them to do- and that ultimately they fell short of that. As gentiles, we can look at the law he gave to the Israelites, and see that we too fall short of the standard to establish our own righteousness before God.

As Christians, we see our Lord Jesus, being an Israelite, was careful to observe the commandments; thus establishing his righteousness in accordance with the law given to the Israelites; and as a result the promises contained in the covenant belong to him. This demonstrates that he is holy and qualifies him to be high priest and mediator of the new covenant.

In Jer29:11
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you a future and a hope.

As Gentiles, we can see how God has dealt with his people in the past- even when he sent them into captivity, it wasn't to destroy them; but it was to set up good things for them.

As Christians; most of us are not captives or exiles; but in a manner of speaking we are like foreigners to this world; and the instructions to the exiles in Babylon to pray for and seek the prosperity of the place we live and the people around us- those are valid things for Christians to do today.
 
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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
Welcome to the forum.
How can a command to worship only God and to teach one's children, not be applicable to Christians?

Have you read Romans 8:28 and seen how similar it is to Jerimiah 29:11?

Have you a minister that you can ask questions of?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
Are you talking about the Shema?
 

Nehemiah6

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Please help: Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Israelites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just [want] to know.
The Lord Jesus Christ applied Deuteronomy 6:4,5 to Christians. Also verse 16.
 

Beckworth

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Please help:
Deuteronomy 6: this verse sounds like a direct instruction to the Isrealites. How can this be applicable to the gentiles and the Christians? What new testament verses that make this Deuteronomy chapter (and other old testament chapters/verses e.g. Jeremiah 29:11) that sound specific to Israelites (Jews) applicable to Christians? Please bear with as I just to know.
If you will look back in chapter 5, Moses tells them in verse 2 that God made a “covenant” with the people who were there at that moment. Those who “are here today, all of us who are ALIVE.” That was the people of Israel—the Jews. He says The people who were before them—their fathers, like Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and Joseph did not have this covenant—only them—the People there at that time. Also, this covenant or law was not for every nation on earth—only to the people there and their descendants. So this law was not for the gentiles. The gentiles were forbidden to worship in God’s temple. This law was not for them—only the Jews. Now a gentile could become a Jewish proselyte but he would have to convert to Judaism. But generally, the gentiles of the Bible did not keep the Jewish law of Moses. The Old Testament is a history of the Jewish nation and how God preserved a special people in which to bring The Messiah, Christ into the world. Jesus was born a Jew. He kept the old law of Moses because it was His duty as a Jew.
But it was necessary for Christ to come and bring a NEW law, one that was for ALL nations and peoples—not just the Jews. Many scriptures in the New Testament teach about the NEW law (testament) OF Faith, that was replacing the old (testament) law of the Jews. Hebrews particularly deals with this as The writer shows how Christ is better than Moses, the blood of Christ is better than the blood of animals, Christ as our High Priest is better than the Jewish priesthood of the Old Testament, and how the New Testament is better than the Old Testament. Hebrews 9:16-17 tells specifically When Christ’s NEW law of Faith was to begin— after His death on the cross. So all of the commandments in the Old Testament were only for the Jews until Jesus died on the cross. Read Colossians 2:14. Then his new law came into effect (Hebrews 8:16-17). Christ brought certain laws from the Old Testament over into His new law in Matthew 5-7. All of the 10 commandments were broughover as part of His new law -with amendments- EXCEPT one. 1) keeping the 7th day holy was no longer a command. Instead emphasis was put on the “first day of the week”. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead. It was the day the church of Christ (Romans 16:16) began in Acts 2, fifty days after Jesus’s death. See verse 47, the Lord began adding to the Church the saved people. And it was the day 1st century Christians came together to worship Acts 20:7. The 2) second thing that Christ did not include in His new law was “tithing”. Instead, He gave a new commandment to the churches in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 in which they were to give only as they had been prospered.
2 Timothy 3:16 says we are to “rightly divide” the word of God. Without understanding the law of Moses verses the Law of Christ, people get very confused and end up binding things they ought not.
As always, I ask you to please read these scriptures; study these things. As the Bereans did in Acts 17:11-study the Bible to see whether these things are so.
 

Beckworth

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If you will look back in chapter 5, Moses tells them in verse 2 that God made a “covenant” with the people who were there at that moment. Those who “are here today, all of us who are ALIVE.” That was the people of Israel—the Jews. He says The people who were before them—their fathers, like Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and Joseph did not have this covenant—only them—the People there at that time. Also, this covenant or law was not for every nation on earth—only to the people there and their descendants. So this law was not for the gentiles. The gentiles were forbidden to worship in God’s temple. This law was not for them—only the Jews. Now a gentile could become a Jewish proselyte but he would have to convert to Judaism. But generally, the gentiles of the Bible did not keep the Jewish law of Moses. The Old Testament is a history of the Jewish nation and how God preserved a special people in which to bring The Messiah, Christ into the world. Jesus was born a Jew. He kept the old law of Moses because it was His duty as a Jew.
But it was necessary for Christ to come and bring a NEW law, one that was for ALL nations and peoples—not just the Jews. Many scriptures in the New Testament teach about the NEW law (testament) OF Faith, that was replacing the old (testament) law of the Jews. Hebrews particularly deals with this as The writer shows how Christ is better than Moses, the blood of Christ is better than the blood of animals, Christ as our High Priest is better than the Jewish priesthood of the Old Testament, and how the New Testament is better than the Old Testament. Hebrews 9:16-17 tells specifically When Christ’s NEW law of Faith was to begin— after His death on the cross. So all of the commandments in the Old Testament were only for the Jews until Jesus died on the cross. Read Colossians 2:14. Then his new law came into effect (Hebrews 8:16-17). Christ brought certain laws from the Old Testament over into His new law in Matthew 5-7. All of the 10 commandments were broughover as part of His new law -with amendments- EXCEPT one. 1) keeping the 7th day holy was no longer a command. Instead emphasis was put on the “first day of the week”. It was the day Jesus rose from the dead. It was the day the church of Christ (Romans 16:16) began in Acts 2, fifty days after Jesus’s death. See verse 47, the Lord began adding to the Church the saved people. And it was the day 1st century Christians came together to worship Acts 20:7. The 2) second thing that Christ did not include in His new law was “tithing”. Instead, He gave a new commandment to the churches in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 in which they were to give only as they had been prospered.
2 Timothy 3:16 says we are to “rightly divide” the word of God. Without understanding the law of Moses verses the Law of Christ, people get very confused and end up binding things they ought not.
As always, I ask you to please read these scriptures; study these things. As the Bereans did in Acts 17:11-study the Bible to see whether these things are so.
I should also add that Christ’s new law of Faith changed everything about how we worship God. Just as God gave a “PATTERN” for the Tabernacle and a “PATTERN” for the temple, including its worship, even so, God has given us a “PATTERN” for His church and its worship.