Help my fiancee doesn't like my family

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xpeetzax

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Hi everyone,

So I'm about to get married to the love of my life, my fiancee whom I have dated for four years. We love each other to death and are very eager to get married. However, there has always been a big issue with our relationship that was always a source of conflict between us...that is that she did not like my family. The reason why is because I had to support my family (my mom and my sister) at a young age and accumulated quite a bit of debt doing so and she feels that they have controlled and manipulated me my entire life and wants me to be completely independent from them.

She comes from a background where her parents were extremely caring and loving to her and paid for most her expenses and continues to support her when she needs it and that's what she thinks parents should be for their children. For myself, on the other hand, my father passed away when I was a junior in high school and my unemployed mother who could not speak a lick of english who eventually developed severe depression and end-stage liver disease. My sister, on the other hand, was deeply immersed in the drug/party scene and never really was home at all, I quickly had to become the man of the household and help take care of both my mom and sister. My dad didn't leave much behind and so we had to get by on meager means and received as much government aid as we could and lived in poverty for many years and accumulated lots of debt. I finally was able to graduate from a decent university and get hired at a decent paying engineering job and have been helping out my sister and mother ever since (who are not believers) in the hopes that my kindness and love to them will lead them to know Christ.

Initially it seemed to work as my sister no longer does drugs or hangs out with any of her old friends and showed interest in the gospel and wanting to become a christian...she has also since become a mother of two daughters and works a full-time job supporting her family as a single mother. My mom on the other hand continues to remain disabled and lives with me. Neither of them, however, to this day are christian and I have made it one of my life goals to evangelize to them through how I live my life and show love to them.

I have explained that background to her many times but it doesn't seem to effect or move her at all. To her, she just sees me as a victim. She imposes her perfect family standard on my family and looks at my family in disdain and disgust even though they have done nothing but try to be pleasant to her since we have started dating. She doesn't like them not for what they have done to her but how they have raised and treated me throughout my life.

To complicate things further, the last 2 years I struggled with an unknown illness that left me severely disabled for an extended period of time. During that time, she came to my bedside almost daily and took care of me in ways she thought that my family should have done.

Before I got engaged I asked my sister to move in to help take care of my mom as I have full intentions of weaning my family off of me and focusing my attention fully to my future wife. I didn't want to have my fiancee have to move in with us and so I made a deal with my sister that she would help take care of mom and I would send some fixed financial support each month.

My fiancee still isnt' comfortable with that as she wants us to save up to buy a house right away and that financial aid will delay that goal by a good couple years.

There were many times where she threatened to break up with me because she told me I could never cut off my family and I could never continue to enable them. Now we are engaged and 3 weeks away from our wedding and her relationship with my family is the worst it has ever been. The latest incident happened as we were moving stuff out of my family's house where I lived with them for a couple months before I was to move into our future apartment. There were some things that we shared together that I technically paid for (TV, vacuum, coffee table, etc.). However since they were things that the family shared use of and we were much better off financially, I thought that we can leave those things and get for ourselves some new things to replace those. However, my fiancee did not agree and went as far to come with me one night and demanded me to remove the tv from the wall in front of my sister, mother, and niece and demanded me to venmo them the amount it took me to buy the parts to remove the tv (roughly $5-6). My family got really uncomfortable and went upstairs as everything unfolded. Then my sister, texted me from her room that she was very upset at my fiancee and that what she did was really rude and unnecessary. She also said that she shouldn't come over again if she's gonna act like that in front of them. Unfortunately, my fiancee was on my labtop at that moment that was linked to my phone and read everything my sister said...she promptly responded that she didn't like her either and that her parents didn't like her at all and that she would not come back. And this is how it remains a weeks later.

My sister has since apologized but my fiancee is reluctant to do so. I sought counsel from our pastor and he told me that my fiancee needs to deal with the hatred in her heart towards my family before moving on. She is justified in feeling upset and being disappointed at my family for their actions toward me but that never means we treat them badly as christians. Aside from the fact that they did anything, we shouldn't treat anyone with hatred no matter what they have done because we are to show the love of Christ in our actions regardless of how they treat us. In this case, my family didn't necessarily ever treat her bad but she continues to build up ire for them based on how they continue to treat me. It seems like any gesture that I make to remotely try to help my family or do them a favor, she gets angry and upset because she feels that my sister needs to learn how to take care of things on their own.

After counseling from my pastor, my fiance has decided to apologize to my sister...but I don't feel like her heart is in it. She agreed but there was no emotion in her face, she made sure to mention the things she is NOT apologizing for including the fact that she does not like her and that she is not willing to go back to her house to meet up to apologize and it needs to be at a local coffee shop and no longer than 10 mins. Furthermore, she demands that if we are to get married, I am not allowed to see them more than once a month and doesn't want our children (if God blesses us with them) to spend time with my side of the family.

At this point, I'm not sure what to do...I'm supposed to schedule a meetup with my sister but it doesn't seem like my fiancee's heart is in it. How is this gonna work? Will she hate my family forever? Do i need to cut them off as part of the "leave and cleave" principle of scripture?

Any advice would be appreciated.
 

inukubo

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It sounds like if you go through with the marriage, you will end up having to cut either your family or your wife off eventually. That's not a good place to be in. Your mother and sister were part of your life long before your fiancee, and learning to love them is part of loving you.

From what you've said, it sounds like both sides may be a bit to blame, but your fiancee's action in forcing you to take the TV out was way over the line and definitely lacking in graciousness. It sounds like there could be more aspects of her character that she has kept hidden from you that may only now be coming to light. It might be a good idea to postpone getting married just to make sure you are doing the right thing -- after all, you will both have to live with this decision for a long time. Better to exercise extra caution now than pay for it with unnecessary heartache and family conflict later. (Especially if you are trying to share Christ with your family, the worst thing you could do for them is have someone who professes to be a Christian but who acts like the devil and eventually separates them from you.)

If you do choose to postpone the wedding, her reaction will also give you some insight into her character. Does she listen to your concerns and show understanding, flexibility, and grace? Or does she take it as an extreme personal offense and refuse to see your perspective or understand your feelings?
 
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MegMarch

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Man. I’m sorry. I hear the stress in your post. You sound very concerned and getting married should be something that brings you joy. Two things stick out to me.

1. Your fiancé wants to know you will leave and cleave to her as your wife, which is Biblical. This is understandable from a woman’s point of view as it provides her security. Security is one of a woman’s needs in a relationship.

2. It sounds like your fiancé is trying to control you in order to achieve this. This is not healthy. If she was healthy, she would be dealing with this situation differently, and communicating it to you differently.

Here’s what I would say. Know that you will have this conflict to work through if you get married or stay together. It is not going away at this point. Is this something you are willing to do knowing it may be a extremely difficult or might not get better for a period of time or ever?
 
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morefaithrequired

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I sense you are not suited to this woman (fiance) unfortunately. But that is just one opinion.
You need a long vacation from everyone. Even the Church/pastor.Discern from your conscience (God) what to do. Avoid trying to be a people pleaser. Please God first.
 

love_comes_softly

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Praying for you as you seek the Lord in making the decisions you have to come. My heart aches for you, that you have been put in this position.

I understand that your future wife is upset with your family, but she is not at all mature in how she's handling it. There are ways that you can leave your family and not completely abandon them.

Personally, my family is the most important thing in my life, apart from God. It sounds like your family is very important to you too.

Your future wife is exactly what she claims your family has done to you. She's controlling and manipulative. This is not going to change. I reccomend counseling, which isn't a good sign as the marriage hasn't even begun.

Is this something you want to live with? Do you really want to choose one over the other?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I am truly sorry to read of the way you are being torn by either side

your fiancee sounds as controlling as she tries to say your family is

that tv episode is an indicator of your married life with her IMO.

I could say more but you are obviously having second thoughts here

do you really want this drama the rest of your life plus a woman who controls and reacts badly when her demands are not met?

there is nothing Christian about her actions. please take a deep breath and reconsider

I don't think you want to keep up this juggling act the rest of your life

I have explained that background to her many times but it doesn't seem to effect or move her at all. To her, she just sees me as a victim. She imposes her perfect family standard on my family and looks at my family in disdain and disgust even though they have done nothing but try to be pleasant to her since we have started dating. She doesn't like them not for what they have done to her but how they have raised and treated me throughout my life.
sorry, really, but I think she actually sees you as a person who is easy to manipulate, a person with a kind heart, who is too generous and she sees herself having you exclusively with no regard for people you love. you say she had a great family? I say baloney. her parents raised a selfish self indulgent princess with no compassion or understanding

very very sorry, but if you are wanting a Christian wife, I think you need to keep looking
 
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7seasrekeyed

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on the other hand and generally speaking, people use the expression 'the love of my life' often in the case of having loved but one person outside their family

you do not really know if that is the love of your life and life is not a romance movie

far far easier to extract yourself from an engagement then from a marriage that turns into hell on earth

IMO, we always have indicators of what kind of person we are with even when they are on their best behavior

sometimes you can accept the difficult parts and sometimes it really is God gently telling you to put on the breaks
 
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Ruby123

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I think that if you marry this woman your problems will get far worse. Put off the wedding and allow the Lord to work in the situation. He will either change something within her or you may split.
Don"t go ahead with the wedding because your feelings are driving you to or you are scared to lose her. If it is from the Lord you wont lose her. There may be a break but things will work out.
You may be given an escape card here. It may not feel like it just yet but looking back you may be very thankful.
Put the wedding off and see what the Lord instructs you to do. If you follow his advice you will be walking in the very best outcome, whether you feel like it at this stage or not.
 

JesusLives

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Take a step back and look at this situation from the outside looking in.

Ask yourself.....The way I feel right now with my current situation... Is that the way I want to live and feel for the next 50-60 years? Is this marriage worth the stress that it will obviously bring as you are already stressed from it now?

Pray and ask God for guidance and talk again with your Pastor. There is no need for your fiancé to bother to apologize if she is not sincere it will only continue to make your family uncomfortable. With so many conditions made by your fiancé it is obvious that her heart is not in the apology otherwise she would humble herself and apologize to your sister at your sisters home.
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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Wow!
I too feel very much sympathy for your situation!
You have been given loving sensible advice from others looking in!o
I agree a step back and time set aside to evaluate with open eyes,not colored with love is going to help you sort through this with God.

Praying for His guidance in this overwhelming situation.
 

Adstar

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Hi everyone,

So I'm about to get married to the love of my life, my fiancee whom I have dated for four years. We love each other to death and are very eager to get married. However, there has always been a big issue with our relationship that was always a source of conflict between us...that is that she did not like my family. The reason why is because I had to support my family (my mom and my sister) at a young age and accumulated quite a bit of debt doing so and she feels that they have controlled and manipulated me my entire life and wants me to be completely independent from them.

She comes from a background where her parents were extremely caring and loving to her and paid for most her expenses and continues to support her when she needs it and that's what she thinks parents should be for their children. For myself, on the other hand, my father passed away when I was a junior in high school and my unemployed mother who could not speak a lick of english who eventually developed severe depression and end-stage liver disease. My sister, on the other hand, was deeply immersed in the drug/party scene and never really was home at all, I quickly had to become the man of the household and help take care of both my mom and sister. My dad didn't leave much behind and so we had to get by on meager means and received as much government aid as we could and lived in poverty for many years and accumulated lots of debt. I finally was able to graduate from a decent university and get hired at a decent paying engineering job and have been helping out my sister and mother ever since (who are not believers) in the hopes that my kindness and love to them will lead them to know Christ.

Initially it seemed to work as my sister no longer does drugs or hangs out with any of her old friends and showed interest in the gospel and wanting to become a christian...she has also since become a mother of two daughters and works a full-time job supporting her family as a single mother. My mom on the other hand continues to remain disabled and lives with me. Neither of them, however, to this day are christian and I have made it one of my life goals to evangelize to them through how I live my life and show love to them.

I have explained that background to her many times but it doesn't seem to effect or move her at all. To her, she just sees me as a victim. She imposes her perfect family standard on my family and looks at my family in disdain and disgust even though they have done nothing but try to be pleasant to her since we have started dating. She doesn't like them not for what they have done to her but how they have raised and treated me throughout my life.

To complicate things further, the last 2 years I struggled with an unknown illness that left me severely disabled for an extended period of time. During that time, she came to my bedside almost daily and took care of me in ways she thought that my family should have done.

Before I got engaged I asked my sister to move in to help take care of my mom as I have full intentions of weaning my family off of me and focusing my attention fully to my future wife. I didn't want to have my fiancee have to move in with us and so I made a deal with my sister that she would help take care of mom and I would send some fixed financial support each month.

My fiancee still isnt' comfortable with that as she wants us to save up to buy a house right away and that financial aid will delay that goal by a good couple years.

There were many times where she threatened to break up with me because she told me I could never cut off my family and I could never continue to enable them. Now we are engaged and 3 weeks away from our wedding and her relationship with my family is the worst it has ever been. The latest incident happened as we were moving stuff out of my family's house where I lived with them for a couple months before I was to move into our future apartment. There were some things that we shared together that I technically paid for (TV, vacuum, coffee table, etc.). However since they were things that the family shared use of and we were much better off financially, I thought that we can leave those things and get for ourselves some new things to replace those. However, my fiancee did not agree and went as far to come with me one night and demanded me to remove the tv from the wall in front of my sister, mother, and niece and demanded me to venmo them the amount it took me to buy the parts to remove the tv (roughly $5-6). My family got really uncomfortable and went upstairs as everything unfolded. Then my sister, texted me from her room that she was very upset at my fiancee and that what she did was really rude and unnecessary. She also said that she shouldn't come over again if she's gonna act like that in front of them. Unfortunately, my fiancee was on my labtop at that moment that was linked to my phone and read everything my sister said...she promptly responded that she didn't like her either and that her parents didn't like her at all and that she would not come back. And this is how it remains a weeks later.

My sister has since apologized but my fiancee is reluctant to do so. I sought counsel from our pastor and he told me that my fiancee needs to deal with the hatred in her heart towards my family before moving on. She is justified in feeling upset and being disappointed at my family for their actions toward me but that never means we treat them badly as christians. Aside from the fact that they did anything, we shouldn't treat anyone with hatred no matter what they have done because we are to show the love of Christ in our actions regardless of how they treat us. In this case, my family didn't necessarily ever treat her bad but she continues to build up ire for them based on how they continue to treat me. It seems like any gesture that I make to remotely try to help my family or do them a favor, she gets angry and upset because she feels that my sister needs to learn how to take care of things on their own.

After counseling from my pastor, my fiance has decided to apologize to my sister...but I don't feel like her heart is in it. She agreed but there was no emotion in her face, she made sure to mention the things she is NOT apologizing for including the fact that she does not like her and that she is not willing to go back to her house to meet up to apologize and it needs to be at a local coffee shop and no longer than 10 mins. Furthermore, she demands that if we are to get married, I am not allowed to see them more than once a month and doesn't want our children (if God blesses us with them) to spend time with my side of the family.

At this point, I'm not sure what to do...I'm supposed to schedule a meetup with my sister but it doesn't seem like my fiancee's heart is in it. How is this gonna work? Will she hate my family forever? Do i need to cut them off as part of the "leave and cleave" principle of scripture?

Any advice would be appreciated.
I can only say that if i where in your situation i would not marry your fiancee.. You seem like a way to easy going guy and you seem to be allowing her to establish a position of dominance in your relationship.. If you where the Authority in the relationship she would never have been able to cause you to remove that TV.. You would not have put up with such open disrespect of you and your family..
 

blue_ladybug

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I agree with all the others here, that you need to NOT marry this woman. She's controlling, manipulative, and wants to control when you see your family.. This is a train wreck in progress. If you marry her you WILL regret it..
 
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Papou

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So I'm about to get married to the love of my life, my fiancee whom I have dated for four years. We love each other to death and are very eager to get married.
Lucky you !

..I had to support my family (my mom and my sister) at a young age and accumulated quite a bit of debt doing so and she feels that they have controlled and manipulated me my entire life and wants me to be completely independent from them.
She is completely right ! It is because she loves you that she can't let them abuse your kindness.

I finally was able to graduate from a decent university and get hired at a decent paying engineering job ....
Congratulations you are great !

...and have been helping out my sister and mother ever since...
This is the root of the problem ! This can't continue for ever, they have to become financially independent.

She doesn't like them not for what they have done to her but how they have raised and treated me throughout my life.
Once again it is because she dearly love you ! Only time will arrange things !

To complicate things further, the last 2 years I struggled with an unknown illness that left me severely disabled for an extended period of time. During that time, she came to my bedside almost daily and took care of me in ways she thought that my family should have done. .
Lucky you to have such a lovely person to your side during these difficult time !

My fiancee still isnt' comfortable with that as she wants us to save up to buy a house right away and that financial aid will delay that goal by a good couple years.
I think she is right this situation can't last forever ! As it is written help yourself and heavens will help you!

However, my fiancee did not agree and went as far to come with me one night and demanded me to remove the tv from the wall in front of my sister, mother, and niece and demanded me to venmo them the amount
This is not an acceptable behaviour ! Time, patience and love will change that !

It seems like any gesture that I make to remotely try to help my family or do them a favor, she gets angry and upset because she feels that my sister needs to learn how to take care of things on their own.
She does not hate your family per se but when they treat you as if you were Santa or a piggy bank! I agree that they must learn to take care of things on their own !

Furthermore, she demands that if we are to get married, I am not allowed to see them more than once a month and doesn't want our children (if God blesses us with them) to spend time with my side of the family.
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In a marriage, both spouses have to do compromises ! She must accept that you have a family and have the right to see them whenever you feel the need ! The same is true for your future children ! You have your words to say in the marriage !

Will she hate my family forever? Do i need to cut them off as part of the "leave and cleave" principle of scripture?
She will hate your family as long as they get money or goods from you ! If you love her marry her ! Why not ! Time will arrange everything else !
 

melita916

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this is a tough situation. based on the information provided, i feel your fiancee is not willing to understand your point-of-view. your family situation is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what she grew up, and she is not willing to put herself in your shoes. what would she have done if her family situation was like yours? she's not willing to see that your mom is physically not able to work due to illness. she's not willing to see that your sister cleaned up and is being a good mom by working and providing for her children and is trying to help your mom as well. i feel she is not willing to see your family is doing the best they can with what they have.

i'm sitting thinking what i would do. if my husband had put those same demands on me, i don't think i would have been able to marry him. i would feel he had no compassion. i would be so hurt. i imagine if i would put those same demands on him, he would be hurt, too.

there's so much i want to ask/say, but in the end, my personal opinion is to postponed the wedding and for the both of you to go to premarital counseling. this situation shouldn't be taken lightly or overlooked. marriage is not going to solve it. she may get mad. she may not want to see you again. but only the Lord can change hearts. i strongly feel that even if you follow her list completely, there will always be something else she wants.

once again, my opinion is solely based on the information provided. the best One who can lead you in the right direction is the Lord.
 

Lightskin

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Hi everyone,

So I'm about to get married to the love of my life, my fiancee whom I have dated for four years. We love each other to death and are very eager to get married. However, there has always been a big issue with our relationship that was always a source of conflict between us...that is that she did not like my family. The reason why is because I had to support my family (my mom and my sister) at a young age and accumulated quite a bit of debt doing so and she feels that they have controlled and manipulated me my entire life and wants me to be completely independent from them.

She comes from a background where her parents were extremely caring and loving to her and paid for most her expenses and continues to support her when she needs it and that's what she thinks parents should be for their children. For myself, on the other hand, my father passed away when I was a junior in high school and my unemployed mother who could not speak a lick of english who eventually developed severe depression and end-stage liver disease. My sister, on the other hand, was deeply immersed in the drug/party scene and never really was home at all, I quickly had to become the man of the household and help take care of both my mom and sister. My dad didn't leave much behind and so we had to get by on meager means and received as much government aid as we could and lived in poverty for many years and accumulated lots of debt. I finally was able to graduate from a decent university and get hired at a decent paying engineering job and have been helping out my sister and mother ever since (who are not believers) in the hopes that my kindness and love to them will lead them to know Christ.

Initially it seemed to work as my sister no longer does drugs or hangs out with any of her old friends and showed interest in the gospel and wanting to become a christian...she has also since become a mother of two daughters and works a full-time job supporting her family as a single mother. My mom on the other hand continues to remain disabled and lives with me. Neither of them, however, to this day are christian and I have made it one of my life goals to evangelize to them through how I live my life and show love to them.

I have explained that background to her many times but it doesn't seem to effect or move her at all. To her, she just sees me as a victim. She imposes her perfect family standard on my family and looks at my family in disdain and disgust even though they have done nothing but try to be pleasant to her since we have started dating. She doesn't like them not for what they have done to her but how they have raised and treated me throughout my life.

To complicate things further, the last 2 years I struggled with an unknown illness that left me severely disabled for an extended period of time. During that time, she came to my bedside almost daily and took care of me in ways she thought that my family should have done.

Before I got engaged I asked my sister to move in to help take care of my mom as I have full intentions of weaning my family off of me and focusing my attention fully to my future wife. I didn't want to have my fiancee have to move in with us and so I made a deal with my sister that she would help take care of mom and I would send some fixed financial support each month.

My fiancee still isnt' comfortable with that as she wants us to save up to buy a house right away and that financial aid will delay that goal by a good couple years.

There were many times where she threatened to break up with me because she told me I could never cut off my family and I could never continue to enable them. Now we are engaged and 3 weeks away from our wedding and her relationship with my family is the worst it has ever been. The latest incident happened as we were moving stuff out of my family's house where I lived with them for a couple months before I was to move into our future apartment. There were some things that we shared together that I technically paid for (TV, vacuum, coffee table, etc.). However since they were things that the family shared use of and we were much better off financially, I thought that we can leave those things and get for ourselves some new things to replace those. However, my fiancee did not agree and went as far to come with me one night and demanded me to remove the tv from the wall in front of my sister, mother, and niece and demanded me to venmo them the amount it took me to buy the parts to remove the tv (roughly $5-6). My family got really uncomfortable and went upstairs as everything unfolded. Then my sister, texted me from her room that she was very upset at my fiancee and that what she did was really rude and unnecessary. She also said that she shouldn't come over again if she's gonna act like that in front of them. Unfortunately, my fiancee was on my labtop at that moment that was linked to my phone and read everything my sister said...she promptly responded that she didn't like her either and that her parents didn't like her at all and that she would not come back. And this is how it remains a weeks later.

My sister has since apologized but my fiancee is reluctant to do so. I sought counsel from our pastor and he told me that my fiancee needs to deal with the hatred in her heart towards my family before moving on. She is justified in feeling upset and being disappointed at my family for their actions toward me but that never means we treat them badly as christians. Aside from the fact that they did anything, we shouldn't treat anyone with hatred no matter what they have done because we are to show the love of Christ in our actions regardless of how they treat us. In this case, my family didn't necessarily ever treat her bad but she continues to build up ire for them based on how they continue to treat me. It seems like any gesture that I make to remotely try to help my family or do them a favor, she gets angry and upset because she feels that my sister needs to learn how to take care of things on their own.

After counseling from my pastor, my fiance has decided to apologize to my sister...but I don't feel like her heart is in it. She agreed but there was no emotion in her face, she made sure to mention the things she is NOT apologizing for including the fact that she does not like her and that she is not willing to go back to her house to meet up to apologize and it needs to be at a local coffee shop and no longer than 10 mins. Furthermore, she demands that if we are to get married, I am not allowed to see them more than once a month and doesn't want our children (if God blesses us with them) to spend time with my side of the family.

At this point, I'm not sure what to do...I'm supposed to schedule a meetup with my sister but it doesn't seem like my fiancee's heart is in it. How is this gonna work? Will she hate my family forever? Do i need to cut them off as part of the "leave and cleave" principle of scripture?

Any advice would be appreciated.
Forsake all others.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Forsake all others.

how exactly do you see that?

I think that means do not get involved with the opposite sex outside your marriage

I don't think it means turn your back on your family and especially not your parents

smh
 

Lightskin

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how exactly do you see that?

I think that means do not get involved with the opposite sex outside your marriage

I don't think it means turn your back on your family and especially not your parents

smh
Shake your head all you want, I couldn’t care less. His family has used him and his fiancé is looking out for him. When push comes to shove you stand by the side of your spouse, hence forsaking all others.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Shake your head all you want, I couldn’t care less. His family has used him and his fiancé is looking out for him. When push comes to shove you stand by the side of your spouse, hence forsaking all others.
yikes. touchy little dog you have there

read my other posts

you are way out of tune here and grouchy to boot :rolleyes:

I asked you how you saw what you were saying. I didn't ask you for pistols at sunrise in Central Park

SMH :giggle:
 

Lightskin

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yikes. touchy little dog you have there

read my other posts

you are way out of tune here and grouchy to boot :rolleyes:

I asked you how you saw what you were saying. I didn't ask you for pistols at sunrise in Central Park

SMH :giggle:
A man shall leave his family to be with his woman. A woman shall leave her family to be with her man, hence forsaking all others (I should say if necessary). With God’s blessings and a little hard work it comes to fruition.