Here's How To Go To Heaven If You Get The "Mark" Chip

[Godsgirl83]

*food for thought:
kingdoms are ruled and governed by man.......

 

[Adstar]

Really? Who told you that a “beast” in prophecy is a man? I would encourage you to get your prophetic symbol interpretations from the Bible, seeing that the Bible interprets itself.

Daniel says a beast is a KINGDOM, not a man.

The Holy Bible told me under the guidance of the Holy Spirit..

Revelation 13 KJV:
17"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. {18} Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

The Beast is both a man and the empire He Rules..

 

[cobalt1959]

Actually, it sounded like a strong argument against the chip removal being a viable means to escape the curse of Revelation 14:9...had me stumped for a moment. Then I remembered about the Unpardonable Sin as being the only thing we can't be forgiven of.

The problem with your whole scenario is that you are convince the mark is some kind of implant, and your entire "solution" is built around that assumption. There is no reason to think the mark is something buried under one's skin. It is a visible and recognizable mark on the person's right hand or forehead. Maybe you shouldn't take yourself beyond what the Bible clearly says, and the Holy Spirit certainly did not guide you to do so. Sticking to what scripture says is always the safest approach:

Revelation 13:16-17 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-12 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

These sections of scripture are so plain they need no explaining or even exegesis. They mean exactly what they say. The mark is something visible on the person's right hand or forehead. This visible mark immediately brands the person as a worshiper of the Beast. That is it's primary purpose. It is a mark of spiritual loyalty to the Beast. You can't buy or sell without this mark. Once you take this mark, you're done. There is no coming back from receiving it. Even if it was an RFD chip, cutting it out later won't save you. Since the angel specifically warns people not to take the mark, and what will happen to them if the do, we know some people will not take the mark, and die because they can't do business, or even eat. A Christian alive at the time will know what it is and refuse to take the mark.

It displays a lack of discernment to be pushing the RFD chip as the mark when you actually have no way of knowing exactly what it is and then also hawking a fake cure for it. It is also patently irresponsible to do so. Shades of Jim Bakker. Maybe you could go on his show and start selling a "Mark of the Beast Removal Kit" and share a cut with him.

 

[tanakh]

In the UK Fries are called Chips. Should I say no if asked if I want any just in case?

 

[blue_ladybug]

We're not told what the mark is therefore how do we say we know what it is not?

Because if it WERE a removable mark, such as a micro chip, then what's the point of taking it if it can be removed? That would be kind of foolish wouldn't it?

 

[Whispered]

Because if it WERE a removable mark, such as a micro chip, then what's the point of taking it if it can be removed? That would be kind of foolish wouldn't it?

As I said before, we're not told in scripture what the mark actually is. So we are only positing conjecture as to what it possibly could be today.

 

[Whispered]

'Wait, the most fearful curse in all of Scripture which warns against getting the Mark...and yet we don't know what it is?

No. We are only told where it will be received by those consenting to receive it.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." The Book of Revelation chapter 13:16-18

 

[Phoneman-777]

No. We are only told where it will be received by those consenting to receive it.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." The Book of Revelation chapter 13:16-18

2 Peter 1:21 says the Bible alone interprets prophecy symbols. The Bible says:

• God desires His Law to be in our hand and forehead. (Deuteronomy 6:8; Deuteronomy 11:18; Exodus 13:9: Exodus 13:16; Ezekiel 9:4)
• the saints which do not get the Mark "are they who keep" His Law - which means the Marked violate His Law. (Revelation 14:11; Revelation 12:17)
• Satan's counterfeit laws always demand persecution and death to the saints. (Daniel 3:10-11; Daniel 6:7-8; Esther 3:2; Esther 3:8-9; Exodus 5:4-9)
• God says in the last days, Satan is going to create "mischief by a law" - one contrary to His Law. (Psalms 94:20)

You cannot point to a single place in Scripture which even remotely suggests the Mark is a "chip" inserted under the skin, yet you insist this is what the Mark is and you ignore what the "holy men which spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" said about hands and foreheads. So, which is more "dangerous", preaching a message backed up with Scripture or one that is a violation of it?

 

[Phoneman-777]

The problem with your whole scenario is that you are convince the mark is some kind of implant

I've known the Mark is not a chip for years - I was "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd", as El Rushbo would say.

Maybe you shouldn't take yourself beyond what the Bible clearly says, and the Holy Spirit certainly did not guide you to do so. Sticking to what scripture says is always the safest approach:

Amen, I strive to not get ahead of Scripture, but there is the other problem of making Scripture wait to catch up with us - namely taking a revelation which itself claims to be given in signs and symbols (Revelation 1:1 says Jesus "signified it") and failing to Biblically interpret the symbolism.

These sections of scripture are so plain they need no explaining or even exegesis. They mean exactly what they say.

Think about this for a second: if the Mark were a literal mark, then by Jesus' own testimony He would have referred to it in symbolism, right or wrong? He would have said something like:

"...and causeth the scribe to be in the hand or the forehead..."​

...which anyone would immediately discern was a symbolic reference to a literal mark - no scribe would ever fit in either place. In a highly symbolic book, an immense issue such as the Mark would definitely be among the symbolism.

It displays a lack of discernment to be pushing the RFD chip as the mark when you actually have no way of knowing exactly what it is and then also hawking a fake cure for it. It is also patently irresponsible to do so. Shades of Jim Bakker. Maybe you could go on his show and start selling a "Mark of the Beast Removal Kit" and share a cut with him.

Actually, if your literal mark idea and the chip idea were in a race, the chip would be way out ahead for at least attempting to interpret the symbolism, while your idea would never leave the starting line.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I was attempting to interject humor. Clearly you were immune to the interjection.

Just don't inject me with a chip!

 

[Phoneman-777]

The Holy Bible told me under the guidance of the Holy Spirit..
Revelation 13 KJV:
17"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. {18} Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Singular pronouns are found throughout the Bible to refer to entire kingdoms and such references do not limit our scope to just one man like Jesuit Left Behind Theology demands we do in Revelation 13.

The Beast is both a man and the empire He Rules..

True. And the Beast of Revelation 13 is a kingdom over which many evil men have ruled in kingly succession, according to Historicism.

 

[Ricky78]

You can't accidentally get the mark of the beastie if your a follower of Christ. A Christ follower won't plead their allegiance or bow down and worship another God or anyone claiming to be God.

 

[Humbleservant777]

I have often wondered about what the mark is as well. Many think it will be some type of chip or implant. Others claim it will be a visible mark. Nowhere does it say in the word anything that indicates exactly what it will be or if it will even be a visible mark. To say that it is a mark implies that you could see it, however God's elect have a mark yet it is a spiritual mark that we cannot see. So perhaps the mark of the beast is also spiritual in nature. If that is so then there is the question as to how would one buy or sell if it could not be seen or identified. It is obvious to me that in order to receive the mark one must also worship the beast. It could very well be some type of nanotechnology that cannot be removed or perhaps those who receive it can discern who also has the mark.

As for the beasts, they represent nations or kingdoms but kingdoms are also ruled by a leader or leaders. From my perspective the sea beast which came about first is the Roman empire which is now actually a religion/religions and also comprised of many world powers. Regarding the second beast it is my theory it represents the USA. The USA started off as a nation seemingly of God but has become more like the dragon. Hollywood and the music industry is heavily influenced by the fallen angels and corrupt secret societies. The world is highly influenced by the USA and even uses its currency. It will prop up the one world religion system that the first beast is working to create, a revived Roman empire so to speak.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I have often wondered about what the mark is as well. Many think it will be some type of chip or implant. Others claim it will be a visible mark. Nowhere does it say in the word anything that indicates exactly what it will be or if it will even be a visible mark. To say that it is a mark implies that you could see it, however God's elect have a mark yet it is a spiritual mark that we cannot see. So perhaps the mark of the beast is also spiritual in nature. If that is so then there is the question as to how would one buy or sell if it could not be seen or identified. It is obvious to me that in order to receive the mark one must also worship the beast. It could very well be some type of nanotechnology that cannot be removed or perhaps those who receive it can discern who also has the mark.

As for the beasts, they represent nations or kingdoms but kingdoms are also ruled by a leader or leaders. From my perspective the sea beast which came about first is the Roman empire which is now actually a religion/religions and also comprised of many world powers. Regarding the second beast it is my theory it represents the USA. The USA started off as a nation seemingly of God but has become more like the dragon. Hollywood and the music industry is heavily influenced by the fallen angels and corrupt secret societies. The world is highly influenced by the USA and even uses its currency. It will prop up the one world religion system that the first beast is working to create, a revived Roman empire so to speak.

Clueless people have gone to the most symbolic book of the Bible and insisted that the Mark is a literal tattoo or chip or some other external identifier, but over and over in Scripture, God has declared only ONE thing that sets apart His people from Satan's people, and that is turning from sin unto death to obedience unto life. He has declared that His Law is to be "in the hand" and "in the frontlets between thine eyes". The saints who do not receive the Mark "keep the commandments of God", which means the Marked are breaking them. Therefore, the Mark is directly associated with a rejection of God's Law.

But, since blind Christians today insist that freedom in Christ means freedom to totally disregard God's Law, this obvious association is unacceptable, and they will continue to search in vain but never come to a knowledge of the truth unless they repent of this heresy and obtain "ears to hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches".

 

[cobalt1959]

I've known the Mark is not a chip for years - I was "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd", as El Rushbo would say. Amen, I strive to not get ahead of Scripture, but there is the other problem of making Scripture wait to catch up with us - namely taking a revelation which itself claims to be given in signs and symbols (Revelation 1:1 says Jesus "signified it") and failing to Biblically interpret the symbolism.
Think about this for a second: if the Mark were a literal mark, then by Jesus' own testimony He would have referred to it in symbolism, right or wrong? He would have said something like:

"...and causeth the scribe to be in the hand or the forehead..."​

...which anyone would immediately discern was a symbolic reference to a literal mark - no scribe would ever fit in either place. In a highly symbolic book, an immense issue such as the Mark would definitely be among the symbolism. Actually, if your literal mark idea and the chip idea were in a race, the chip would be way out ahead for at least attempting to interpret the symbolism, while your idea would never leave the starting line.

Those verses are not meant to be taken as some kind of symbolism. You are attempting to force a different interpretation of the text which is not indicated by the text itself. And I find it highly amusing that you not only try to re-invent the way the passages should be interpreted, you go even further and tell us what it might or should say, to fit your theory. As one 70's Consumer watch TV show host used to say, "That's the tip-off to the rip-off." What you advocate above actually violates the body of Revelation, as a book and the way it is laid out. When something is a symbol, or a type in Revelation, we are told so, and then the symbolism is explained. The passages about the mark do not tell us it is symbolism or a type, they are plain statements that tell us about the mark, where it will be placed and what the consequences are for taking it. It is not meant to be taken as symbolism. It is literal. I supposed the choosing of the 144,000 witnesses in Revelation from the tribes of Israel is symbolism as well?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Those verses are not meant to be taken as some kind of symbolism.

Jesus says the revelation is symbolic (which demands interpretation of the symbols such as "beasts" and the "mark") but YOU say these elements are literal requiring no interpretation. Hmmmmmm.............I think I'll stick with what Jesus said.

You are attempting to force a different interpretation of the text which is not indicated by the text itself.

Good grief, I'm not forcing anything. I'm proving that the Mark is not a literal mark, tattoo, bar code, etc., but is a SYMBOL for something else that identifies the Marked with Satan.

And I find it highly amusing that you not only try to re-invent the way the passages should be interpreted, you go even further and tell us what it might or should say, to fit your theory.

"Reinventing"? I'm simply proving by Christ's own words that His Revelation is symbolic which requires interpretation. It is YOU JESUIT FUTURISTS who are trying to reinvent the book to be literal, so that you can make the mark a literal, physical mark. That's first rate creative theology if I've ever seen it.

When something is a symbol, or a type in Revelation, we are told so...

Hello! Have you read the very first verse of chapter one? It tells us the revelation is SIGNIFIED...is English your first language? "Signified" means "given in symbolism".

...and then the symbolism is explained.

Oh, well then, we should all head down to the beach and wait for a literal seven headed monster wearing seven crowns to rise up out of the sea and waltz on down to the White House or the U.N. building to take over the place, since no explanation follows about what any of that means, right? Got it.

The passages about the mark do not tell us it is symbolism or a type, they are plain statements that tell us about the mark, where it will be placed and what the consequences are for taking it. It is not meant to be taken as symbolism.

Anyone who fails to understand that the first verse of Revelation declares that the book is given in symbolism and the elements contained therein must be interpreted had no business proceeding any further into it, much less trying to teach others what the revelation means.

 

[cobalt1959]

Jesus says the revelation is symbolic (which demands interpretation of the symbols such as "beasts" and the "mark") but YOU say these elements are literal requiring no interpretation. Hmmmmmm.............I think I'll stick with what Jesus said.
Good grief, I'm not forcing anything. I'm proving that the Mark is not a literal mark, tattoo, bar code, etc., but is a SYMBOL for something else that identifies the Marked with Satan.
"Reinventing"? I'm simply proving by Christ's own words that His Revelation is symbolic which requires interpretation. It is YOU JESUIT FUTURISTS who are trying to reinvent the book to be literal, so that you can make the mark a literal, physical mark. That's first rate creative theology if I've ever seen it.
Hello! Have you read the very first verse of chapter one? It tells us the revelation is SIGNIFIED...is English your first language? "Signified" means "given in symbolism".
Oh, well then, we should all head down to the beach and wait for a literal seven headed monster wearing seven crowns to rise up out of the sea and waltz on down to the White House or the U.N. building to take over the place, since no explanation follows about what any of that means, right? Got it.
Anyone who fails to understand that the first verse of Revelation declares that the book is given in symbolism and the elements contained therein must be interpreted had no business proceeding any further into it, much less trying to teach others what the revelation means.

Let's look again:

Revelation 13:15-17 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. (Rev 13:15-17 NIV)

Feel free. Explain to me, and all of us here, how this is somehow symbolic? The language is plain. When something in Revelation is symbolic, we are told so ahead of time. No marker exists for these passages. So, please, share with us the depth of your biblical knowledge that tells us this mark is symbolic . . .

 

[Phoneman-777]

Let's look again:

Revelation 13:15-17 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. (Rev 13:15-17 NIV)

Feel free. Explain to me, and all of us here, how this is somehow symbolic? The language is plain. When something in Revelation is symbolic, we are told so ahead of time. No marker exists for these passages. So, please, share with us the depth of your biblical knowledge that tells us this mark is symbolic . . .

Good gravy, how many times must I say that Jesus Himself says the book is written in symbolism, which means the things contained therein are SYMBOLS. The Mark is a SYMBOL. Now, go to Peter, read what he says about letting 'holy men who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" interpret prophecy for you, then go to one of those holy men, namely MOSES, and read what he said about something going into the hand and forehead from God, and that will tell you what the counterfeit is that Satan wants to place in the hand or forehead of those who follow him, got it?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Good gravy, how many times must I say that Jesus Himself says the book is written in symbolism, which means the things contained therein are SYMBOLS. The Mark is a SYMBOL.

The very sentence in the book of Revelation would disagree with your statement:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."

The "what must soon take place' is referring to the time of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all related information. God's wrath is no way symbolic, but will be literal events that will decimate the population of the world and dismantle all human government.

Interpreting the book of Revelation as being all symbolic, is one of the biggest problems we have today and which is why so many miss the literal meanings of what God is saying. It is pretty simple to distinguish the literal from the symbolic.

Now, go to Peter, read what he says about letting 'holy men who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" interpret prophecy for you, then go to one of those holy men, namely MOSES, and read what he said about something going into the hand and forehead from God, and that will tell you what the counterfeit is that Satan wants to place in the hand or forehead of those who follow him, got it?

What you are talking about above are Phylacteries, which were prayer boxes worn on the wrist or on the forehead for Israel, not the church. The wearing of Phylacteries has nothing to do with this coming mark.

To say that Revelation is all symbolic, is an attempt to water down the severity and magnitude of God's wrath, which is going to come upon the earth like birth pains.

 

[cv5]

Jesus says the revelation is symbolic (which demands interpretation of the symbols such as "beasts" and the "mark") but YOU say these elements are literal requiring no interpretation. Hmmmmmm.............I think I'll stick with what Jesus said.
Good grief, I'm not forcing anything. I'm proving that the Mark is not a literal mark, tattoo, bar code, etc., but is a SYMBOL for something else that identifies the Marked with Satan.
"Reinventing"? I'm simply proving by Christ's own words that His Revelation is symbolic which requires interpretation. It is YOU JESUIT FUTURISTS who are trying to reinvent the book to be literal, so that you can make the mark a literal, physical mark. That's first rate creative theology if I've ever seen it.
Hello! Have you read the very first verse of chapter one? It tells us the revelation is SIGNIFIED...is English your first language? "Signified" means "given in symbolism".
Oh, well then, we should all head down to the beach and wait for a literal seven headed monster wearing seven crowns to rise up out of the sea and waltz on down to the White House or the U.N. building to take over the place, since no explanation follows about what any of that means, right? Got it.
Anyone who fails to understand that the first verse of Revelation declares that the book is given in symbolism and the elements contained therein must be interpreted had no business proceeding any further into it, much less trying to teach others what the revelation means.

FYI, The literalist futurist to view is unquestionably correct. Everything works perfectly everything fits perfectly, there are no errors or omissions, all guesswork is removed, all covenants are fulfilled prophecies are resolved.

You don't get it and a lot of people are in the same boat with you. And believe me that is a very scary place to be.