Homosexuality and The Church: Gay Bashing From The Pulpit

[wolfywolfs]

Sorry to burst your bubble here,but yes you do have a choice. God isn't going to allow someone to be ''born'' homosexual,when His word speaks against it. Jesus may not have spoken directly about it,however,that does not mean it's not a sin. Especially when God spoke to others and told them the things to speak and write. I'm sick of the lie ''I was born this way'' or ''I didn't choose this'' cause while people may not have complete control over it,they do choose what they like and dislike. Just like food,you choose if you do or don't like something. You can look at it and say ''well that looks good think I'll try it'' or ''oh that looks bad I don't think I'll try it'' or even ''well that looks good,but is it good for me,or should I pass on it?" you get the point. Lastly,no one is arguing on here so you shouldn't take it wrong. God bless.

if god can allow people to be born with disablitys and a short life why not homosexuality and you statement "its wrong in the bible so its wrong" hate to bring tis up but there are instruction on slavery in the bible old and new testement so does that mean slavery ok because it says in the bible no it isnt ok der and according to the user Ramon it says in the bible you should displine your child with a rod or whip and hes gona do that because he belives thats the correct way to disapline a child cos its in the bible. are you gona do that to your kids because its in the bible.

the bible is now just cherry pick to suit the user everything else is just ignored

 

[Viimz]

if god can allow people to be born with disablitys and a short life why not homosexuality and you statement "its wrong in the bible so its wrong" hate to bring tis up but there are instruction on slavery in the bible old and new testement so does that mean slavery ok because it says in the bible no it isnt ok der and according to the user Ramon it says in the bible you should displine your child with a rod or whip and hes gona do that because he belives thats the correct way to disapline a child cos its in the bible. are you gona do that to your kids because its in the bible.

the bible is now just cherry pick to suit the user everything else is just ignored

In Africa th rod IS used to discipline a chld however its done moderately and not when 1 is in a rage.If u look at it disabilities are induced by man eg women knw tht drugs when pregnant are bad for th fetus but they do it anyway so we cant blame God for it then...God hates homosexuality and He does nt create a homosexual human he creates a human and th human chooses to be unnatural as described in Romans1v26-...just like one chooses to be liar or thief sin z bad even if we chocol8 coat it

 

[Sweetheart1987]

You people are disgusting in the way you pollute God's word. Okay where's your proof someone's ''born'' gay because they are NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who says I did or didn't ever have any issue personally with things? did I ever say I had or hadn't? no I didn't,so don't just assume things. Honestly,I'm completely just turned away from so called ''Christians'' and ''church'' and all that other stuff due to people like you. It's just disgraceful. I wouldn't step foot in any church any of you attend. you falsely represent TRUE Christians,born again ones,those that stand for the true word of God. You falsely represent God. Lord help all of you,I wouldn't surround myself with anyone that's going to defend and justify what God's word is clear on. Just because either A: you're homosexual, B:someone you know or are related to is homosexual,or C:you believe in ''equal rights'' but in the wrong context,or are taken in by satan's lies,and the translations that have perverted and polluted God's true word. or D:whatever none sense lie you've fallen into. No wonder people don't come to Christ,they hear this sort of thing and say ''I might as well just live how I want anyways,that's all these people that say they're Christians do anyways" and so on. I have not been offended either,just for the record. I just take a strong,passionate,firm stand for what and whom I believe in. The truth,God and God's word alone!

 

[Treeoflife]

I think the bible has to be seen in context, is it the word of God...yes, Is it literall ?? No. The bible is a document written over thousands of years, with thousands of people, cultures, translations, etc

First we have to PRAY about the issues surrounding our lives, we have to LISTEN to God,

There seem to be a Christian elitist branch cropping up in Christianity where God and Gods message to us today gets ignored, In favour of personal interpretation and the bible taken out of all context,

Its our job as Christians to encourage people for God, it is to accept them, teach them and guide them to a RELATIONSHIP with God, where God will then change that person as he seems fit,

God is bigger than the bible, God is bigger than homosexuality, lets stop putting him in a box people.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Unofortunately this thread, and many others are a grade A case of humans trying to define what it is God is to be. Instead, we as humans should be trying to define ourselves as God says we are to be.

 

[Sweetheart1987]

Yes the word of God IS literal. Somethings such as stoning people for their sins just don't happen anymore...in Christianity. That doesn't however make it un-literal. Just like Jesus dying on the cross,and raising up on the third day,that was literal. It was real.To say that the word of God isn't literal,is a lie,and takes away from it. To say that,means the whole word of God isn't literal...because you can't just take part of it,you must take the whole thing. Think about it.

 

[wolfywolfs]

so if not stoneing people for there sin inst that a sin because your ignoreing gods words

 

[wolfywolfs]

i mean if people ignore the stoning part why cant they ignore the gay part

 

[Treeoflife]

Yes the word of God IS literal. Somethings such as stoning people for their sins just don't happen anymore...in Christianity. That doesn't however make it un-literal. Just like Jesus dying on the cross,and raising up on the third day,that was literal. It was real.To say that the word of God isn't literal,is a lie,and takes away from it. To say that,means the whole word of God isn't literal...because you can't just take part of it,you must take the whole thing. Think about it.

Matthew 5,
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Do you still follow the law of the prophets, Earth still exists t has not disappeared, do you make burnt offerings, stone unruly children, as the prophet Moses wrote you must in leviticus,

If not then how can you comment on the sexuality of another being wrong if YOU are wrong yourself, let he who is without sin cast the first stone and remove the log from your own eyes before you remove the splinter from your brother come to mind here,

also have you never read 1 Timothy 2.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

you are trying to teach me a man events on scripture so another case of hypocracy, How can you preach that the bible is literal when you ignore it ?

 

[Shield]

Forgetting what it says, how can you seek a close relationship with God (who is 'other' then us) when you don't seek relationships with the other gender but instead marvel at your own gender. That appears closer to looking in a mirror instead of self-sacrifice IMO. The desire to make yourself your own God and idol worship yourself is the root of all sin.

 

[Treeoflife]

Forgetting what it says, how can you seek a close relationship with God (who is 'other' then us) when you don't seek relationships with the other gender but instead marvel at your own gender. That appears closer to looking in a mirror instead of self-sacrifice IMO. The desire to make yourself your own God and idol worship yourself is the root of all sin.

Thats just nonsense, Does that mean I worship females and marvel at them making females God, ???


According to your logic it does.

 

[jimmydiggs]

@Treeoflife

Of particular importance to our topic is Heb. 8:13 which says, "When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." The Old Covenant with its harsh judicial judgments is no longer in effect because we are under a New Covenant.

For more on Old Testament vs. New testament...

Why do Christians not obey the Old Testaments commands to kill homosexuals and disobedient children? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click

 

[Shield]

Thats just nonsense, Does that mean I worship females and marvel at them making females God, ???


According to your logic it does.

No it means the closer you get to God and being secure in God, it should be evident in getting further away from selfishness. In one sense that would mean looking for complementary traits instead of mirroring traits and in another would mean looking to lay down your life and instead of satisfying yourself (heterosexual lust).

 

[VikkiKate89]

I know this was meant to be a different look on the topic, but this is the 3rd thread on homosexuality I've seen in the last two weeks. Why couldn't we just keep it to one thread? I mean they've all boiled down to the same argument, "Is homosexuality right or wrong?" Sorry to be off topic, but this seems a bit excessive.

 

[wolfywolfs]

guess people just love talking about it a little too much

 

[jimmydiggs]

@Vicky & wolfs

It's a recurring theme, that and a few others thread topics like Marijuana and Masturbation.. Atleast, that's my observation. Typically a new member brings it up i na new thread, because the old one people got tired of, and then all the same arguements get re-hashed.

 

[David_1]

@Vicky & wolfs

It's a recurring theme, that and a few others thread topics like Marijuana and Masturbation.. Atleast, that's my observation. Typically a new member brings it up i na new thread, because the old one people got tired of, and then all the same arguements get re-hashed.

So Jimmy, do you have any Gay family members and friends? Have you discussed their sexuality with them?

 

[FSUBoy966]

No it means the closer you get to God and being secure in God, it should be evident in getting further away from selfishness. In one sense that would mean looking for complementary traits instead of mirroring traits and in another would mean looking to lay down your life and instead of satisfying yourself (heterosexual lust).

Complimentary traits?

So, you're only looking at the physical aspects of human beings? You ARE aware that our bodies are not permanent. They're but a means, a prison per say, of holding our souls until God is ready for our return.
My brother and his boyfriend (soon to be husband) are VERY different personalities, and I don't know a lot about how gay relationships work, but I do know they are happy together and they compliment each other very well.

No matter what people like you say, I have welcomed my future brother-in-law into my family with open arms and love.

 

[unclefester]

I did not choose to be 100% heterosexual. I was born this way.

I have no interest in having sex with men. I have no physical reaction to them.

So I disagree with you.

Homosexuality is not a choice for me, because it's not. I'm not gay, never was, never will be.

I've never heard the argument made so simply yet thought provoking as this before David. Have to admit that your statement has caused me to consider much on the matter. There are many things that I struggle to reconcile concerning God's word... even at my age. The topic of homosexuality is one of them. If I'm being honest with myself, I would have to admit that my views on the matter would be greatly influenced if one of my now grown children or siblings were a declared homosexual. It would be impossible for me to abandon or forsake them......or even judge them, for that matter. It would be all the more difficult for me to live my life thinking that they're doomed for hell, as many in the christian faith strictly believe. The truth of the matter is that this topic is avoided by many simply because there is no viable means to come to terms with it.....biblically speaking. Another example for me was God asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac on the altar to prove his faithfulness. Didn't God already know Abraham's heart ? And who today could claim that they'd be willing to do such a thing with their own child ? I know I couldn't. What does this make me besides a father that would rather die for his own than to see them subjected to such a thing ? There are many points that could be brought up where we all would fall short of what we seem to think God is demanding of us. In all of the confusion, I have resolved to trust that God is infinitely wiser and more loving than any of us could ever hope to be. And for the sake of all of us, I pray that He is infinitely more merciful and understanding than what we christians are capable of being because of the dilemma's placed before us.

Rob

 

[jimmydiggs]

So Jimmy, do you have any Gay family members and friends? Have you discussed their sexuality with them?

Don't know of any to the first question. Yes I would, to the second question.