Homosexuality

[jimmydiggs]

I have to agree with you and even with this individuals ideas on this topic it doesn't put me off Christian people I have spoken to a lot of you on here who are good, logical thinking people without prejudice and I commend you for that.

Since it appears you are in agreeance with FSUBoy, so I will ask you. What have I said that you have perceived to be hateful?

What have I said that is bad, illogical or prejudiced?

In the court of law, when we bring forth accusations the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Maybe this is a Military court, where the opposite is true.

 

[psymon23]

Your views on Homosexuality Jimothy are not only hateful but prejudice!

 

[jimmydiggs]

Your views on Homosexuality Jimothy are not only hateful but prejudice!

Jimothy, interesting. I guess you'll have to take that up with God. As I have only articulated the bibles approach.

Although, on atheism, what's Objectively wrong about that? It seems wierd to deny the existance of Objective Moral facts, and then complain about the actions of others, as if there is an Objective standard everyone ought to know and follow.

 

[FSUBoy966]

Any examples?

Also, keep in mind..



And...



Maybe we could be a bit civil, huh? Afterall, it's not good PR for an atheist to see Christians in disagreeance. It's an exscuse used to runfrom God.

You've been disagreeing with me for months. Maybe what you say doesn't seem hateful and ignorant to you, but that just furthers my point.
And I have no kinship with you just b/c you worship the same God as I do. I honestly can't feel Jesus's love in you, the more and more you debate this topic.

Any atheist reading this should know Jimmy isn't like most Christians. Most of us are honestly kind people who don't argue irrelevant things and instead decide to focus on spreading Jesus's love to everyone.

 

[psymon23]

Jimmy it seems fellow Christians don'e agree with your viewpoint and recognize your prejudice. Don't worry Fsuboy I don't judge Christian people on the actions and opinions of one person as that'll make me a judgmental person. I've found a small minority who have preached like Jimmy and I've spoken to a lot of people like yourself who seem like decent, well educated and accepting of other people's way of life.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You've been disagreeing with me for months.

What does this matter?

Maybe what you say doesn't seem hateful and ignorant to you, but that just furthers my point.

So far what you have is not a point, but an opinion. I have asked for examples. I don't care if you don't quote, but atleast provide reasons. No lawyer wins a court case based on pure conjecture. Also, it seems to me that he who levies the accusation, must justify the grounds for the accusation.

And I have no kinship with you just b/c you worship the same God as I do.

I am sorry you feel such resentment.

I honestly can't feel Jesus's love in you, the more and more you debate this topic.

Could you substantiate this? Please? If the accusation levied proves true, adjustments will be made. Thus far, all that has been offered is personal opinion.

Any atheist reading this should know Jimmy isn't like most Christians. Most of us are honestly kind people who don't argue irrelevant things and instead decide to focus on spreading Jesus's love to everyone.

Depends on how you direct the first sentence, since I don't know I have to assume it is toward the subject of the thread; homosexuality.

Based on Church positions, it looks something like this...

Homosexuality is sin
seventh day adventist 19 million
Southern Baptist 16 million
Christian Reformed Church - 260,000
Eastern Orthodox - 300 million
LCMS - 1.8 million
WELS 300,000
UMC 12 million
PCA - 340,000
RCC 1.1 billion


Split
PCUSA - split but mildly unfavorable - 2 million
anglicanism - split - 25 million
ELCA - split but mildly favorable
UCC - congregation based, but generally favorable - 1 million


Metroplitan Community Church - open and affirming - can't find numbers, but 250 congregations (to put on scale, PCA has 1757 congregations)
Homosexuality and Christianity - ReligionFacts <--- click for church positions
Wikipedia was my source for numbers and positions(of some). Granted, Wikipedia isn't a great source, you can check the sources that wikipedia cites if you so desire.

Granted the individual members might have different views, however, generally people fall in line with their denomination.


I'm curious, just so I don't create what might be a strawman, what are the irrelevant issues? If it's sin, that's definately a relevant issue (unless you think sin is a good thing), as well as the other issue of appearance in this thread, the existance of God.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmy it seems fellow Christians don'e agree with your viewpoint and recognize your prejudice.

In this thread, you've got those who disagree outnumbered. (and out-debated)

Don't worry Fsuboy I don't judge Christian people on the actions and opinions of one person as that'll make me a judgmental person.

That's good, but why on atheism is being judgmental such a bad thing?

I've found a small minority who have preached like Jimmy and I've spoken to a lot of people like yourself who seem like decent, well educated and accepting of other people's way of life.

I'm not exactly preaching. This is intellectual discussion.

 

[FSUBoy966]

My life is too short to deal with this. I'm gonna go hang out with my GAY best friend and remind him that Jesus loves him and doesn't care that he was born liking men. Also, I don't usually get to say this on these threads but WOW I'm older than you, making all of this EXTREMELY funny. I figured you were some 40-something year-old man, and I chalked your prejudice up to age but clearly you just harbor so much hate in your heart it just makes you SEEM old and bitter.

TFCO, Jimmy

 

[FSUBoy966]

Also... The way you reply to things makes me wanna punch walls. It's annoying. Learn how to summarize your thoughts in a paragraph.

 

[psymon23]

FSUboy tell your Gay friend that I hope the rest of America wakes up to give homosexuals the same rights as everyone else because his sexual preference doesn't define him/her as a person.

 

[jimmydiggs]

My life is too short to deal with this. I'm gonna go hang out with my GAY best friend and remind him that Jesus loves him and doesn't care that he was born liking men.

I don't care if you have Gay friends. I don't mind having Gay friends either, or any other persuassion. One is a Gay Mormon, interesting chats with that lad, another, is dealing with the temptations and fighting them.

Be careful that your telling him such is scripturally secured, and not emotionally based.

For the bible declares, that greater condemnation will come to a false teacher.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

Also, I don't usually get to say this on these threads but WOW I'm older than you, making all of this EXTREMELY funny.

I am sorry you feel such resentment.

I figured you were some 40-something year-old man, and I chalked your prejudice up to age but clearly you just harbor so much hate in your heart it just makes you SEEM old and bitter.

Top right corner of the post should state my age. I don't know what is in my heart, I do know that hearts are deceitfully wicked, and beyond cure, as Jeremiah 17:9 declares..

9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?

TFCO, Jimmy

Hmm.. Coming out? Could have just asked instead of using acronyms, but here goes an intro.

Prior to my believing in God, and my faith in Christ, I enjoyed many sinful persuits.

Prior to my believing in God, I had viewed Zeitgeist. I believed every bit of it. The portion on Christianity, I felt was a death blow to all religion. (I'm glad I know better than that now.) I believed that Christianity and all other religions were just a copy of previous astro-theologies. This put me into a state of quasi-atheism. I even got myself in a bit of trouble with my atheistic views with one of the mothers of a fellow Scout. From about the age of thirteen, I chased pornography of all sorts. I was what is called a /b/tard.

I've viewed and eventually became trapped by pornography of gratuitious amounts of various "genres", I'm not going to go into detail here as I don't want to give anyone any ideas, but if you wish, I'll PM a short list. Some of it, you probably would find reprehensible.

I had typed out some other stuff up, but decided it would be in my best interest to not disclose that except in person.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Also... The way you reply to things makes me wanna punch walls. It's annoying. Learn how to summarize your thoughts in a paragraph.

I reply point by point. If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

FSUboy tell your Gay friend that I hope the rest of America wakes up to give homosexuals the same rights as everyone else because his sexual preference doesn't define him/her as a person.

I'm curious, on athiesm, where do rights come from?

 

[psymon23]

Rights come from society and upbringing and my parents taught me that you should "Treat others how you would like to be treated." That is inclusive of sexual preference. I'm from England and it seems we are more advanced in the way we think over here or just more Liberal but it's not an issue for us because why should it be?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Rights come from society and upbringing and my parents taught me that you should "Treat others how you would like to be treated." That is inclusive of sexual preference. I'm from England and it seems we are more advanced in the way we think over here or just more Liberal but it's not an issue for us because why should it be?

So rights are assigned?

If rights come from society, then you have no problem with other societies executing people, right? Your positions are incoherent, and self-referentially inconsistant.

 

[CrystalClear]

Homosexuality is a really touchy topic in any occasion. If people are going to diiscuss, it should be with respect for one another and not turn into a huge argument. An argument is the result of topics like these sometimes. I guess we just have to remember that we're all people of God, no matter the circumstances.

 

[psymon23]

No if a country like the U.S.A for example have the right to execute someone that doesn't mean I agree with it. Just like Homosexuals don't have the right to marry in most of your country which to me is a ridiculous notion, I've been brought up with good morals and integrity and have no prejudice towards anyone because we are all equal as I see it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

No if a country like the U.S.A for example have the right to execute someone that doesn't mean I agree with it. Just like Homosexuals don't have the right to marry in most of your country which to me is a ridiculous notion, I've been brought up with good morals and integrity and have no prejudice towards anyone because we are all equal as I see it.

So rights don't come from society?

 

[psymon23]

For me personally they have come from my upbringing and society like I said you have the right to execute someone because your society is acceptant of that, listen Jimmy. I don't agree with it but that's just me.

 

[jimmydiggs]

For me personally they have come from my upbringing and society like I said you have the right to execute someone because your society is acceptant of that, listen Jimmy. I don't agree with it but that's just me.

So if society determines the rights of others, no rights exist inherently, correct?