House of Judah - House of Israel

[FlyingDove]

Throughout scripture find: 2 houses, 2 kingdoms, 2 sticks, 2 nations, 2 families, 2 flocks.

God chose Abram & made an unconditional covenant with his lineal seed (Gen 22:15-18). God repeats the covenant Jacob when He calls him Israel:

Gen 35:11:
11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(MY NOTE: A nation & ""a company of nations"" shall be of thee & kings shall come out of thy loins)

Before Jacob dies he blesses Joseph's 2 sons Ephraim & Manasseh. Because of Reuban's sin Ephraim receives the BIRTHRIGHT promise. Judah receives the emblem of the Lion obtaining the promises of KINGSHIP (Gen 48).

Chron 10: King Solomon of the United Kingdom of Israel dies & his son Rehoboam takes the throne. 10 ten tribes rebel under Jereboam & form the Northern Kingdom/Nation become "House of Israel", its capital Samaria. While Judah, Benjamin & some Levites become "House of Judah/Jews" form the Southern Kingdom/Nation, it's capital Jerusalem

BTW: Before the the Kingdom separates under Jeroboam & Rehoboam. As far back as the days of Moses the emblems of the Unicorn pertained to Judah & Ephraim (Deut 33:17). God truly speaks the end from the beginning (Isa 46:10)

Also, before the the Kingdom separates under Jeroboam & Rehoboam. David was anointed king over Judah only (2 San 2). While Saul's son Ishbosheth was made king over all Israel. It's later Israel is annexed to Judah under King David (2 Sam 5:1)

Finally, the 2 kingdoms are separated immediately after the death of Solomon. Judah and Israel have remained absolutely distinct to this day. They're taken into captivity separately & at different times. Israel by the Assyrians (2 Kings 17:6). Judah the Babylonians (2 Kings 25:21). As foretold in (Ezra 2:1) A part of Judah was allowed to return after 70 yrs. However, Israel never returned nor will they until the time of restoration.

2 houses, 2 kingdoms, 2 sticks, 2 nations, 2 families. And sheep of another fold

Psalm 114:
1 When Israel went out of Egypt, the house of Jacob from a people of strange language;

2 Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion
(MY NOTE: JUDAH & ISRAEL)

I Samuel 11:8 8And when he numbered them in Bezek, the children of Israel were three hundred thousand, and the men of Judah thirty thousand.
(MY NOTE: 2 HOUSES, Judah & Israel numbered separately. Israel numbered 10 times Judah)

Hos 1:
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
(MY NOTE: The CHILDREN of JUDAH & of ISRAEL shall be gathered together)

Jer. 33:
23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,

24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
(MY NOTE: 2 FAMILIES which the LORD hath chosen)

I Sam 18:16 But all Israel and Judah loved David, because he went out and came in before them.
(MY NOTE: All of ISRAEL & JUDAH)

Jn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(MY NOTE: We know Jesus is speaking here to Jews via verse 10:19)

John 7:
33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.

34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.

35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
(MY NOTE: Jesus is speaking to Jews when mentioning those "DISPERSED/House of Israel" among the Gentiles)

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(MY NOTE: A Nation and a COMPANY of Nations "A COMMONWEALTH" is part of the Birthright promise given. "Jospeh blesses & proclaims Ephraim 'seed to become a multitude of nations. (Gen. 48:19)

Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
(MY NOTE: The Lord GOD say's; I will take the STICK of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the STICK of Judah, and make them ONE STICK) Soon very Soon!

Where are the dispersed/lost 10 Tribes/House of Israel right now?

 

[oldethennew]

Thank You, FD,
hub and I agree with much of what you have posted, and yes, we do know a great deal
about where the tribes' are...

 

[FlyingDove]

Assyrian captivity of the House of Israel 740 B.C. (2 Kings 15:29, 17:3-40, 18:11-12) continues to this day.

After a couple thousand years of assimilation. I think it's hard to know where ALL the descendants of the 10 lost tribes who are today.

Gentile means pagan/heathen, someone outside God's covenant promises. In my opinion it's a contradiction to describe oneself a "Gentile Christian". Once we've placed our faith in Christ's sin atonement. Found in his death, burial & resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4) We are spiritually grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, God's chosen people.

The Lord promised to reunited House of Israel with the House of Judah in the last days.

Old & new testament scripture speak of redemption in Messiah, a redeemed House of believers. (Isa 44:1-8 vs 5 in particular)

Rom 11:17 (B) were grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(MY NOTE: A Nation & a "Company of Nations" a COMMONWEALTH)

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(MY NOTE: NT believers are No Longer a stranger/pagan living outside of covenant promises)

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Once REDEEMED the sojourner has a place in the House of God (Ex 12:49)

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
(MY NOTE: COMPANIONS/SOJOURNERS, adopted into God's House)

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

WHOSOEVER shall call on the Name of the Lord whether they be Hebrew/Israeli/Jewish by birth or not, shall be saved. (Acts 2:21, 10:43, 13:26, Rom 9:33, 10:11, 13, Rev 22:17)

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

 

[Reborn]

Assyrian captivity of the House of Israel 740 B.C. (2 Kings 15:29, 17:3-40, 18:11-12) continues to this day.

After a couple thousand years of assimilation. I think it's hard to know where ALL the descendants of the 10 lost tribes who are today.

Gentile means pagan/heathen, someone outside God's covenant promises. In my opinion it's a contradiction to describe oneself a "Gentile Christian". Once we've placed our faith in Christ's sin atonement. Found in his death, burial & resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4) We are spiritually grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, God's chosen people.

The Lord promised to reunited House of Israel with the House of Judah in the last days.

Old & new testament scripture speak of redemption in Messiah, a redeemed House of believers. (Isa 44:1-8 vs 5 in particular)

Rom 11:17 (B) were grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(MY NOTE: A Nation & a "Company of Nations" a COMMONWEALTH)

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(MY NOTE: NT believers are No Longer a stranger/pagan living outside of covenant promises)

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Once REDEEMED the sojourner has a place in the House of God (Ex 12:49)

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
(MY NOTE: COMPANIONS/SOJOURNERS, adopted into God's House)

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

WHOSOEVER shall call on the Name of the Lord whether they be Hebrew/Israeli/Jewish by birth or not, shall be saved. (Acts 2:21, 10:43, 13:26, Rom 9:33, 10:11, 13, Rev 22:17)

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Interesting. 🤔

I suppose we have to ask ourselves did God allow men to write things in the Bible that can’t be answered?
Not currently understood =impossible to understand at some point?
Can people understand prophecy?
Can we get answers to time frames and bloodlines?
Can we truly know who and where the Tribes are?

The most commonly taught answers boil down to simply “No“ --they can not. It’s never worded this simple, but if worded without the excuses ...it should be. (IOW—God doesn’t intend to reveal or let any of His followers know the answers to the Bible’s greatest mysteries?) Surely if one person, group, or decorated masters of the faith dont/doesn’t know , than NO ONE can know the answers?

IMO, some of the biggest most effective, deceptive lies whispers into the ears of seekers by satan.
”It can’t be known, no one knows, there‘s no reason to look”

Those with faith should believe that it IS possible, and why wouldn’t it be!? (and maybe no one has / or they just haven’t found the answers? ) If these lies continue and are said enough times, the world will assume it’s impossible and useless to know or search out. Those truths must be meant for some distant group of special individuals in the far future ...but not for us, we aren’t special enough? You? Me? Bob? Preachers with important letters by their name and degrees on their walls?

If we are always told by others that “God thinks of everyone of us as special” ...then why aren’t we special enough to know what the entire Bible is saying? Who dictates who’s special enough? Who has final say on the correct answers?

All lies.
So how does it work? If I told you l know someone who knew those answers would you believe me? Even if they provided rock solid proof? (which is presented with logic and the correct group of verses) Or has those lies been so deeply ingrained in all of us that and the idea “it’s impossible to ever know” going to be our final statement until the end of time?

How Will the Tribes know they are part of scripture if those answers can’t be known?
Where do you think they are? (are they are even assembled as of today?)

Im not saying l have the answers...but as we‘ve all been told over and over...it’s impossible...if l did would it matter?

 

[Lafftur]

Since ALL are saved, redeemed and restored IN CHRIST THE ONE AND ONLY JEWISH MESSIAH from the Tribe of Judah, why go looking for the dispersed 10 tribes....ALL that call upon Yeshua-Jesus Christ will be saved.

All 12 Tribes of Israel, except Dan have an INCREDIBLE place and gate in the wall that surrounds the New Jerusalem- the Lamb’s Wife. In the wall there is NO GENTLE, which is so ironic and testifies to the Book of Nehemiah- no gentile gets to help build the wall that surrounds Jerusalem....go, read and see the portion that belongs ONLY to 12 Tribes of Israel.

How BEAUTIFUL is the wall that surrounds the New Jerusalem!!!!!

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Since ALL are saved, redeemed and restored IN CHRIST THE ONE AND ONLY JEWISH MESSIAH from the Tribe of Judah, why go looking for the dispersed 10 tribes....ALL that call upon Yeshua-Jesus Christ will be saved.

All 12 Tribes of Israel, except Dan have an INCREDIBLE place and gate in the wall that surrounds the New Jerusalem- the Lamb’s Wife. In the wall there is NO GENTLE, which is so ironic and testifies to the Book of Nehemiah- no gentile gets to help build the wall that surrounds Jerusalem....go, read and see the portion that belongs ONLY to 12 Tribes of Israel.

How BEAUTIFUL is the wall that surrounds the New Jerusalem!!!!!

It goes a little deeper than that Jesus said he only came for the lost sheep of Israel (not the Jews - house of Judah) because they will only repent in the end of days. We can see the Jews turning back to God now ie end of days.

It is an interesting study but we do form part of Israel and it is Biblical.

God bless friend

 

[Lafftur]

It goes a little deeper than that Jesus said he only came for the lost sheep of Israel (not the Jews - house of Judah) because they will only repent in the end of days. We can see the Jews turning back to God now ie end of days.

It is an interesting study but we do form part of Israel and it is Biblical.

God bless friend

Yes, Israel, Jew and Gentile will form the New Jerusalem but, I’m speaking of The Wall that surrounds the New Jerusalem....ONLY 12 Tribes of Israel make The Wall.....there are NO GENTILES in The Wall.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying,

Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones.

The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Revelation 21:9-21 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 21:9-21&version=KJV

God bless you too, friend!

 

[Lafftur]

God has sooooooo many secrets hidden in plain sight within the scriptures......just read the Bible and ask God questions as you read, your heart MUST ask the questions, NOT you mind or human reasoning.....

 

[Lafftur]

The Book of Nehemiah holds secrets concerning how God will turn back to the Jews......it concerns the building of The Wall.....