HOW CAN I BE 100% SURE THAT I WILL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN I DIE?

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Um John 3: 22 is a different scene, a different seeting and different context.

If We had to be baptised to be saved. Jesus would have told nicodemus.. The fact he left baptism out proves baptism in water is not required (HS baptism is required., but thats an act of God. Not an act of another man.
not different they immediately went to river (water) and baptized!

Amen?
 
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace, you have been saved through faith and baptism? NO. Simply faith.

But he who does not believe, shall be condemned. Now that we have the entire picture. Amen!
eph 2:8 refers to redemption not justification

try eph 4:5 one Lord (required?)
one faith (required?)
one baptism (required?)

thks
 
eph 2:8 refers to redemption not justification
Are you still confused about glorification and justification?
try eph 4:5 one Lord (required?)
one faith (required?)
one baptism (required?)

thks
You would walk around mountains of grace in order to find water.

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ at the moment of salvation and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
 
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The text means they actually did become children of God the moment they believed on Jesus' name, as this right instantly imparts the actual status and new birth described in the very next verse. (John 1:13)
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

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The text means they actually did become children of God the moment they believed on Jesus' name, as this right instantly imparts the actual status and new birth described in the very next verse. (John 1:13)
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Does the blood of Christ only cover past sins?

So, revolving door of saved, sin, lost again, then repent and confess and saved all over again and round and round we go? Die before you can repent or confess? You seem to have turned salvation by grace through faith into salvation by works at the back door.

How do you define repentance? Do you turn confession into inventory confession/confess each and every sin that you have ever committed or will commit and if you forget one you are toast?
no its the grace of justification, sin and separation from God losing grace, repentance and confession, union and grace restored.

Jn 1:16 grace for grace
gal 5:4 fall from grace

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
(does not imply a one time event)

only serious sins seperate us from God!

1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sinwhich is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sinunto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

death seals our fate, the state we die in is our eternal state

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
or eternal salvation

thks
 
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!
By living water and the Spirit. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) *Notice how Jesus connects living water with everlasting life, and Jesus did not mention the word baptism and John 3:5.
They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “
So Jesus is not your personal Lord and Savior? That would explain a lot. What they preached in Jerusalem would not contradict John 3:15,16,18.
They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22
After these new converts believed and were saved.
A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!
Water baptism is an outward sign, of inward grace, yet you try to turn a sign into a savior.
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:22 in the NASB reads - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. *Notice the order. It is the sprinkling (with the Blood of Christ- Hebrews 9:14; I Peter 1:2) which touches the heart. The washing of pure water affects the body. Paul was careful to distinguish between an outward circumcision, which was of the flesh (Romans 2:28-29) and an inward circumcision, which was of the heart.
1 Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.No mention of baptism. Born of God by baptism.
No mention of baptism.
1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
No mention of baptism.
1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36
No mention of baptism. 1 Peter 1:22 - purified your souls in obeying the truth. Acts 15:9 - purified their hearts by faith. Choosing to believe the gospel is the act of obedience that saves. (Romans 10:16)
1 Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)
Washed us from our sins in His own blood and not in water baptism.
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished. So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.
 
no its the grace of justification, sin and separation from God losing grace, repentance and confession, union and grace restored.
Revolving door of type 2 works salvation.
gal 5:4 fall from grace
The present tense of the word "justified" implies that these Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. They were getting side tracked by legalistic teachers. "You who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen away from grace," but had they fully come to that place yet?

In Galatians 3:3, we read - Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self-effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why didn't Paul simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you? Instead, in verse 10, he said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. 👀

Why would Paul have confidence in these Galatians if they lost their salvation and it's all over for them? In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, as for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
(does not imply a one time event)

only serious sins seperate us from God!
1 John 1:6 - if we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

*Walking in darkness is DESCRIPTIVE of children of the devil. Walking in the light is DESCRIPTIVE of children of God. Only those who are saved/born again believers are in the light.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light. Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light. Children of God walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.

*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is DESCRIPTIVE of children of the devil.
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sinunto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

death seals our fate, the state we die in is our eternal state
Certain folks jump to the conclusion that 1 John 5:16 is talking about believers committing certain sins that lead them to spiritual death, but that does not fit the context. 1 John 5:16 - If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death. 18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch.
 
The text means they actually did become children of God the moment they believed on Jesus' name, as this right instantly imparts the actual status and new birth described in the very next verse. (John 1:13)
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Does the blood of Christ only cover past sins?

So, revolving door of saved, sin, lost again, then repent and confess and saved all over again and round and round we go? Die before you can repent or confess? You seem to have turned salvation by grace through faith into salvation by works at the back door.

How do you define repentance? Do you turn confession into inventory confession/confess each and every sin that you have ever committed or will commit and if you forget one you are toast?
no its the grace of justification, sin and separation from God losing grace, repentance and confession, union and grace restored.

Jn 1:16 grace for grace
gal 5:4 fall from grace



only serious sins seperate us from God!

1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sinwhich is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sinunto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

death seals our fate, the state we die in is our eternal state

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
or eternal salvation

thks
Amen...
Justified made right with God \0/
Justification is a grace providing union, a grace that can be lost, unlike eternal salvation!

Gal 5:4 fallen from grace

thks
 
Let's not ignore the fact that by the time we get all the way down to verse 22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. Yet John 3:14-18 is still within Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus and Jesus connects BELIEVING IN HIM with receiving eternal life with no mention of baptism.

That was AFTER Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus was over and Jesus and His disciples have moved on.

Which is after Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over. If you are looking for water that is unto eternal life, see (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39)

In Matthew 28:19,.we have here a command from Jesus to go and make disciples of all nations, and baptize converts. However, it does not say here that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. The same command also includes the clause "teaching them to observe all things" that Christ has commanded them. Becoming a disciple of Jesus is signified, yet not procured in the waters of baptism.

Paul's sins were washed away as he called on the name of the Lord and not literally by water baptism. The water is symbolic; the appeal to Christ’s name is the saving act. Romans 10:13 - For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

A symbol (water baptism) is not the reality, but is a picture of the reality. (Spirit baptism)

"Baptized into Christ" does not mean water baptized into the body of Christ. That is only accomplished through Spirit baptism. (1 Corinthians 12:13) Now in what "sense" would a believer be "water baptized into Christ?" In the same "sense" that the Israelites were "baptized into Moses.." (1 Corinthians 10:2) The Israelites were not literally water baptized into the body of Moses and there is little dispute that being "baptized into Moses" signified the open allegiance and public identification of the Israelites with Moses as their leader. Moses was formally recognized as the leader of the covenant people. Water baptism signifies our allegiance and public identification with Christ as our Savior, so it would only be in that sense.

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.
no moving on!

we have
baptism in chapter 1
baptism in chapter 2
baptism in chapter 3
baptism in chapter 4

born again by water and the spirit the RIVER proves it!

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I agree. The notion that a sinner can be justified before God, yet somehow not be saved sounds strange, to say the least. Paul wrote to the Roman Christians:

NKJV Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Do unsaved sinners have peace with God? Do unsaved sinners rejoice in hope of the glory of God?
the grace of justification brings this peace and hope of eternal salvation!

we do not hope for that which we already possess!

we must persevere till death mt 10:22 in union with Christ by grace and then the judgement unto eternal salvation!

thks
 
By living water and the Spirit. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) *Notice how Jesus connects living water with everlasting life, and Jesus did not mention the word baptism and John 3:5.

So Jesus is not your personal Lord and Savior? That would explain a lot. What they preached in Jerusalem would not contradict John 3:15,16,18.

After these new converts believed and were saved.

Water baptism is an outward sign, of inward grace, yet you try to turn a sign into a savior.

Hebrews 10:22 in the NASB reads - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. *Notice the order. It is the sprinkling (with the Blood of Christ- Hebrews 9:14; I Peter 1:2) which touches the heart. The washing of pure water affects the body. Paul was careful to distinguish between an outward circumcision, which was of the flesh (Romans 2:28-29) and an inward circumcision, which was of the heart.

No mention of baptism.

No mention of baptism.

No mention of baptism. 1 Peter 1:22 - purified your souls in obeying the truth. Acts 15:9 - purified their hearts by faith. Choosing to believe the gospel is the act of obedience that saves. (Romans 10:16)

Washed us from our sins in His own blood and not in water baptism.

Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished. So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.
without the outward sign there is no
 
Are you still confused about glorification and justification?

You would walk around mountains of grace in order to find water.

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ at the moment of salvation and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
we drink the spirit in water baptism!

ez 36:25-27

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

with rom 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
 
By living water and the Spirit. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) *Notice how Jesus connects living water with everlasting life, and Jesus did not mention the word baptism and John 3:5.

So Jesus is not your personal Lord and Savior? That would explain a lot. What they preached in Jerusalem would not contradict John 3:15,16,18.

After these new converts believed and were saved.

Water baptism is an outward sign, of inward grace, yet you try to turn a sign into a savior.

Hebrews 10:22 in the NASB reads - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. *Notice the order. It is the sprinkling (with the Blood of Christ- Hebrews 9:14; I Peter 1:2) which touches the heart. The washing of pure water affects the body. Paul was careful to distinguish between an outward circumcision, which was of the flesh (Romans 2:28-29) and an inward circumcision, which was of the heart.

No mention of baptism.

No mention of baptism.

No mention of baptism. 1 Peter 1:22 - purified your souls in obeying the truth. Acts 15:9 - purified their hearts by faith. Choosing to believe the gospel is the act of obedience that saves. (Romans 10:16)

Washed us from our sins in His own blood and not in water baptism.

Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished. So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.
1 pet 1:2 is connected to water baptism and effects heb 10:22 the merits of the blood of Christ are applied to our souls!

of course it don't say sins are washed away by "faith alone"!

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John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
 
I try to live as righteous a life as possible since being baptised and try to live a sinless life. But I still have problems with things like swearing and smoking mainly. I wish God would speak to me directly so I know where I'm at spiritually because if theres no hope in making it to heaven then I may as well just live recklessly right?
In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to do the will of the Father by being workers of lawfulness is not in order to be good enough to work our way there but because that is the way to know Jesus. The way to know Jesus is by embodying His character traits and the Law of God is His instructions for how to do that.
 
In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to do the will of the Father by being workers of lawfulness is not in order to be good enough to work our way there but because that is the way to know Jesus. The way to know Jesus is by embodying His character traits and the Law of God is His instructions for how to do that.
Still banging the dead religious drum. You will be in for quite a surprise when you meet Jesus when this life is over.

You do not get to know someone by following a set of rules. I was in the military and the Captain handed down orders regularly. I had nothing to to do with the Captain on a personal level. I just did what I was told. He only knew my name because I had name tag. I spoke to him a few times in 8-1/2 year in the Navy. And it was not the same person over that time.