How can someone who 'never dies' be amongst 'the dead' who rise 1st?

[Revelation1v8]

And where did Jesus ? He went to the Garden tomb, which can be translated paradise, he died, he rose and walked the earth for 40 more days before going to Heaven, so either Jesus lied to the thief or he was saying today you will die and end up buried. Which is what happened, the Jews wanted those crucified to be killed early because of the sabbath, so the soldiers broke the thieves legs , Jesus was already dead so his legs were not broken.

Explain what you mean by "He went to the Garden tomb, which can be translated paradise".

After Jesus' death it says He went to the bowels of the earth to preach to those in prison. The Bible talks about Sheoul/Hades that is divided into two camps where one side is considered "Paradise" and the other is considered Hell. They are separated by "a great chasm". Jesus may have taken the thief to Paradise and then preached to those in prison.

 

[WayneNSO]

Explain what you mean by "He went to the Garden tomb, which can be translated paradise".

After Jesus' death it says He went to the bowels of the earth to preach to those in prison. The Bible talks about Sheoul/Hades that is divided into two camps where one side is considered "Paradise" and the other is considered Hell. They are separated by "a great chasm". Jesus may have taken the thief to Paradise and then preached to those in prison.

I will have to explain myself later because there is two different things to be explained there and I am busy in real ATM sorry

 

[Revelation1v8]

That is about the preaching of the good news to the lost by the same spirit that raised Christ.

I don't think you're reading that verse properly.

Matthew 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[WayneNSO]

I don't think you're reading that verse properly.

Matthew 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I meant the preaching came after he was ressurected, not while he was still dead.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I meant the preaching came after he was ressurected, not while he was still dead.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were implying that a different spirit went to preach after it raised Jesus from the dead.

 

[WayneNSO]

Explain what you mean by "He went to the Garden tomb, which can be translated paradise".

The word paradise (παράδεισος, paradeisos, par-ad'-i-sos) is originally a Persian word for ‘park’ or ‘garden’ usually enclosed by walls or a fence. Literally: Para - meaning around + deisos meaning a wall. It was and still is today, the custom to bury the dead in a bordered park or garden. Most Cemeteries today are enclosed gardens, where the dead are buried.

Expository Dictionary of Bible Words W.E. Vine P158 PARADEISOS (παράδεισος) is an Oriental word, first used by the historian Xenophon, denoting the parks of Persian kings and nobles." It is of Persian origin (Old Pers. pairidaeza, akin to Gk. peri, "around," and teichos, "a wall") whence it passed into Greek.

And Manasseh slept with his fathers, and was buried in the garden of his own house, in the garden of Uzza: and Amon his son reigned in his stead.
2 Kings 21:18

And he was buried in his sepulchre in the garden of Uzza: and Josiah his son reigned in his stead.
2 Kings 21:26

So where did Jesus' body go that day?

John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

That day Jesus went to an enclosed bordered garden, to the grave. And where did the thief go that day? To the grave also.

After Jesus' death it says He went to the bowels of the earth to preach to those in prison. The Bible talks about Sheoul/Hades that is divided into two camps where one side is considered "Paradise" and the other is considered Hell. They are separated by "a great chasm". Jesus may have taken the thief to Paradise and then preached to those in prison.

Are you getting this from the parable of the rich man ? I have a completely different take on that parable which I will be happy to explain, and make myself even more unpopular

 

[Revelation1v8]

A.I will tell you who is being spoken about in 2 Kings, chapter 21...

2 Kings 21:18 records the death and burial of Manasseh, the king of Judah who reigned for fifty-five years. He was buried in the garden of his own house, specifically the garden of Uzza, and was succeeded by his son Amon.

2 Kings 21:26 details the death and burial of Amon, who reigned for only two years before being assassinated by his own officials. Like his father, Amon was buried in the garden of Uzza and was succeeded by his son Josiah.

Both verses highlight the continuation of wicked kingship in Judah, as both Manasseh and Amon practiced idolatry and abandoned the Lord, leading to divine judgment against the nation.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Are you getting this from the parable of the rich man ? I have a completely different take on that parable which I will be happy to explain, and make myself even more unpopular

No, I got the term Paradise from what Jesus himself said while He was on the cross. Here are other verses that mention it:

• Luke 23:43 - Jesus tells the penitent thief, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."
• 2 Corinthians 12:4 - Paul describes a man caught up to the third heaven and into paradise, where he heard inexpressible words.
• Revelation 2:7 - Jesus promises the overcomer the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

 

[WayneNSO]

No, I got the term Paradise from what Jesus himself said while He was on the cross. Here are other verses that mention it:

• Luke 23:43 - Jesus tells the penitent thief, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."
• 2 Corinthians 12:4 - Paul describes a man caught up to the third heaven and into paradise, where he heard inexpressible words.
• Revelation 2:7 - Jesus promises the overcomer the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Ok when I saw "a great chasm" my mind went to the rich man parable

 

[Revelation1v8]

Ok when I saw "a great chasm" my mind went to the rich man parable

That is where I got it from, but those are the only other verses to describe where "Paradise" might be located. But obviously, 2 Corinthians 12:4 says it's in the 3rd heaven. So, it must be a place that's located somewhere between earth and the highest heaven of where God currently sits.

 

[Revelation1v8]

That's not the way Revelation 20 describes it, but there could be something about those verses that's implying something different than the way it reads directly. It's something I've been meaning to study again. I have some thoughts and I'll share them later when I've researched it more thoroughly.

In the meanwhile, here is how Revelation 20 describes it:

Revelation 20

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Based on what's written above, these verses from Job appear to be the best way to describe how the body changes upon the resurrection for those who sleep.

Job 19:25-27

25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

And while verse 26 says that Job will see God while he's in flesh, it's not the same flesh that he used to have. It's an earthly fleshly body that's been converted into a "quickened" spiritual body like 1 Corinthians 15 says.

• 1 Corinthians 15:44 – "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
• 1 Corinthians 15:49 – "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, so shall we also bear the image of the heavenly."
• John 6:63 – "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
• 2 Corinthians 3:18 – "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."
• 1 Peter 3:18 – "For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, being once delivered to God for us, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"
• John 5:21 – "For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will."