How did Jesus end the law without abolishing it?

[alaric]

Let’s look at how a legal contract works.

Scenario 1: Offeror offers the offeree a contract. Offeree has fulfilled the contract. Offeror honour the contract by paying the offeree.
Scenario 2: Offeror offers the offeree a contract. Offeree has breached the contract. Offeree honour the contract by making reparation to the Offeror.

The law of God is the same as a contract. If you can keep all the laws, you will have eternal life.
Matthew 19:16-17 A man came to Jesus and asked, “Good Teacher, what good work must I do to have life that lasts forever?” Jesus said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One Who is good. If you want to have life that lasts forever, you must obey the Laws.”

If you break the law, you will receive death.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die.

If obeying the law can bring salvation and eternal life, why is everyone still dying? It is because the death sentence has been passed onto everyone when Adam disobeyed. Everyone is born according to Adam’s fallen image (Everyone is born sinner and all sinners must die).
Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

Death reigns BEFORE the law.
Romans 5:12-14 This is what happened: Sin came into the world by one man, Adam. Sin brought death with it. Death spread to all men because all have sinned. Sin was in the world before the Law was given. But sin is not held against a person when there is no Law. And yet death had power over men from the time of Adam until the time of Moses. Even the power of death was over those who had not sinned in the same way Adam sinned.

Death reigns DURING the law.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Death reigns AFTER the law (For Christians who put themselves back under the law).
There are ignorant Christians who thinks Jesus died on the cross to bring them back into the law (from scenario 2 back into scenario 1 of the legal contract). They are saved by grace through faith but went back to keep the law with their flesh.
Galatians 3:2-3 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish?
Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

The truth is that God has ended the law which is designed to be obey and uphold by the efforts of the flesh.
Romans 10:4 For Christ has brought the Law to an end, so that everyone who believes is put right with God.

God has brought forth a new and better way (that is free of burdens of the law and consciousness of sin through grace by the leading of his Holy Spirit) for us to keep the law. Read Hebrews 8:7-13.
Hebrews 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Important: God is NOT INTERESTED to see how well we can keep the law through the flesh.
Important: God wants to use the law to bring to our awareness that we are sinners who cannot save ourselves.

Under the equivalent of a legal contract, everyone is fulfilling the contract as defaulters (sinners) who has breached the contract, making reparation for damages (death).

We are like mortgagor who took up a mortgage from the bank. Under the law of repayment (an example of the law), we need to make repayment (an example of death - just as everybody pays daily with their life as they age towards death) to the bank. But halfway through the repayment, someone comes along and help us make a one-time huge payment that clears the remaining amount and free us from the debt. That someone did not abolish the law of mortgage but fulfilled it and free us from it.

Jesus fulfilled the law by making full payment for our death through his death on the cross.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I (Jesus) have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I (Jesus) have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[Hakawaka]

Sounds like antinomianism. But remains to be seen.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Sounds like antinomianism. But remains to be seen.

We're under law, but it's the law of the spirit of life in Christ. So it's not antinomianism, It's simple: walk in the spirit and obey Jesus' words.

And I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I should gain [the] Jews; to the ones under law, as under law, that the ones under law I should gain; to the lawless ones, as a lawless one, (not being lawless to God, but lawful to Christ), that I should gain [the] lawless ones. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21​

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For the law of the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus freed me from the law of the sin and of death. Romans 8:2​

 

[Webers.Home]

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From what I gather; the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God
per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy has seen its day, but still
has some uses.

● Heb 8:13 . . By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one
obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

"soon disappear" suggests the old covenant is circling the drain, but not yet
down the drain.
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[DeanM]

Jesus didnt "end" the law He came to fulfill the law. Ive seen some, not here, say we still need to follow the law. My question is all of them? There were a bunch. 166 pops into my mind but im thinking there were more. It is finished.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

"soon disappear" suggests the old covenant is circling the drain, but not yet
down the drain.

That was written nearly 2000 years ago when the temple was still standing. So I think by now it's long gone.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Let’s look at how a legal contract works.

Scenario 1: Offeror offers the offeree a contract. Offeree has fulfilled the contract. Offeror honour the contract by paying the offeree.
Scenario 2: Offeror offers the offeree a contract. Offeree has breached the contract. Offeree honour the contract by making reparation to the Offeror.

The law of God is the same as a contract. If you can keep all the laws, you will have eternal life.
Matthew 19:16-17 A man came to Jesus and asked, “Good Teacher, what good work must I do to have life that lasts forever?” Jesus said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One Who is good. If you want to have life that lasts forever, you must obey the Laws.”

If you break the law, you will receive death.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die.

If obeying the law can bring salvation and eternal life, why is everyone still dying? It is because the death sentence has been passed onto everyone when Adam disobeyed. Everyone is born according to Adam’s fallen image (Everyone is born sinner and all sinners must die).
Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

Death reigns BEFORE the law.
Romans 5:12-14 This is what happened: Sin came into the world by one man, Adam. Sin brought death with it. Death spread to all men because all have sinned. Sin was in the world before the Law was given. But sin is not held against a person when there is no Law. And yet death had power over men from the time of Adam until the time of Moses. Even the power of death was over those who had not sinned in the same way Adam sinned.

Death reigns DURING the law.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Death reigns AFTER the law (For Christians who put themselves back under the law).
There are ignorant Christians who thinks Jesus died on the cross to bring them back into the law (from scenario 2 back into scenario 1 of the legal contract). They are saved by grace through faith but went back to keep the law with their flesh.
Galatians 3:2-3 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish?
Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

The truth is that God has ended the law which is designed to be obey and uphold by the efforts of the flesh.
Romans 10:4 For Christ has brought the Law to an end, so that everyone who believes is put right with God.

God has brought forth a new and better way (that is free of burdens of the law and consciousness of sin through grace by the leading of his Holy Spirit) for us to keep the law. Read Hebrews 8:7-13.
Hebrews 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Important: God is NOT INTERESTED to see how well we can keep the law through the flesh.
Important: God wants to use the law to bring to our awareness that we are sinners who cannot save ourselves.

Under the equivalent of a legal contract, everyone is fulfilling the contract as defaulters (sinners) who has breached the contract, making reparation for damages (death).

We are like mortgagor who took up a mortgage from the bank. Under the law of repayment (an example of the law), we need to make repayment (an example of death - just as everybody pays daily with their life as they age towards death) to the bank. But halfway through the repayment, someone comes along and help us make a one-time huge payment that clears the remaining amount and free us from the debt. That someone did not abolish the law of mortgage but fulfilled it and free us from it.

Jesus fulfilled the law by making full payment for our death through his death on the cross.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I (Jesus) have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I (Jesus) have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

The very last line there Jesus came to fulfill the law and prophets

what he said was “ nothing of the law can change until it’s all fulfilled “

Later he explained tbat his suffering and death fulfilled it

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, ( in the le and prophets ) and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the end of the law is death when a sinner dies fornthier sin the law has been fulfilled upon them

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when a person dies the law ends

“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? …..Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4‬ ‭

if a person reads Moses law you find out if you sin you are put to death but the law doesn’t say anything to the sinner after they are pit to death it ends when they die . They sin they are executed and then they aren’t mentioned again thier dead the le no longer speaks to them .

when we get baptized into Christs death for sin that ends the authority of the law over the person because they died with Jesus for thier sins

the law remains over anyone who hasn’t died to it in Christ even gentiles who have a conscience and have the law within them in thoer conscience

 

[Hakawaka]

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From what I gather; the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God
per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy has seen its day, but still
has some uses.

● Heb 8:13 . . By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one
obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

"soon disappear" suggests the old covenant is circling the drain, but not yet
down the drain.
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It went down in AD70

 

[Mem]

In business, companies often employ a 'planned obsolescence" of products they put out. Using cell phones for example, they announce a certain date that they will no longer offer updates for a particular model and so you'll have to either continue to use the product at your own risk or upgrade to a newer model. There are also some products that are hard to find replacement parts for so it's best to go ahead and purchase the 'new and improved' version.

Moses' law called for blood to atonement of sin, and Jesus fulfilled that order, but the law could never make anyone perfect because blood had to be continually applied for the constant breakdown of the purity of mankind. And what was made obsolete was the blood of bulls by a better sacrifice. What was made obsolete was a human high priest by a more excellent ministry by which to take hold of a better covenant founded on better promises (Heb8:6).

 

[NeutralZone]

If you break the law, you will receive death.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die.
. . . .

Death reigns BEFORE the law.
Romans 5:12-14 This is what happened: Sin came into the world by one man, Adam. Sin brought death with it. Death spread to all men because all have sinned. Sin was in the world before the Law was given. But sin is not held against a person when there is no Law. And yet death had power over men from the time of Adam until the time of Moses. Even the power of death was over those who had not sinned in the same way Adam sinned.

One's mortality has nothing whatever to do with the Mosaic Law. As you yourself pointed out, people were dying prior to the Mosaic Law covenant.

FYI: According to scripture, Jesus not only fulfilled the Mosaic Law Covenant, he also abolished it. I will be more than happy to direct you to scripture that confirms this.

 

[Webers.Home]

From what I gather; the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy has seen its day, but still has some uses.

Herein "the law" refers to the supreme being's statutes, judgments, and
commandments as spelled out in the covenant.

People beginning to take an interest in Christianity can all benefit from reading the
law because by it they discover what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, viz:
what pleases the supreme being and what displeases Him.

● Rom 7:7 . . Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law.

Well it doesn't take long for most beginners to discover that the law confronts
them with a serious threat to their safety.

There are consequences for non compliance with its demands. A number of those
consequences are listed at Lev 26:14-39, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-68 but
the one that should interest beginners the most is the one cuts to the chase and
says:

● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by
carrying them out.
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[Webers.Home]

Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

Technically, that curse only applies to folks whose association with the
supreme being is regulated by the statutes, rules, judgments, and
commandments that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. So then it would not be a good
idea for a Gentile to seriously consider conversion to Judaism and thus
put themselves at risk of that curse.

● Rom 2:12-14 . . All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from
the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not
those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who
obey the law who will be declared righteous.

● Gal 3:10 . .For as many as are of the works of the law are under the
curse; for it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

● Gal 5:3 . . Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised
that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

NOTE: The circumcision spoken of isn't a typical medical procedure. It is
strictly relative to the Jewish ritual brit milah, a.k.a. bris.
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[Magenta]

Jesus didnt "end" the law He came to fulfill the law. Ive seen some, not here, say we still need to follow the law. My
question is all of them? There were a bunch. 166 pops into my mind but im thinking there were more. It is finished.

613. We have at least one person here who claimed all those laws are written on our hearts..

 

[Beckworth]

It went down in AD70

Yes, AD 70 is when the Jewish nation was destroyed by Rome and the temple and all genealogies were burned, but Paul says Jesus took it out of the way and nailed it to His cross. Col.2:14. Hebrews 9:16-18 explains this by comparing it to a person who makes a “will.” A person’s will is not in effect until after that person dies. The New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8) or testament is the last will and testament of Jesus Christ. It actually came into effect when He died on the cross. Once He was dead, the old law was finished and His “will” was then in force.

 

[Racham]

This subject is probably one of the most misunderstood topics.

Jesus ransom is a loophole that grafts another tree in a tree that was cut down.

Following specific commandments he gave to his disciples, with his help and with faith in salvation through him, followiNg his commands allows the loophole to work. (Those 3 things)

The two covenants are essentially the same except one was by birthright, the new is by blood. It was also that man trivializes some things (seeking out many DEVICES) that causes misunderstandings about it.

HOWEVER.

The new covenant only works if those 3 aforementioned things are active. Obviously, if you were not Born a Jew or began the conversion process which takes generations, the first covenant would not apply.

Now do you understand? It is the new covenant that we have access to. That is why it is said that the old contract was Fullfilled or abolished.

 

[Racham]

Plus, King David and Jehoshaphat understood God's mercy, so its not that it didnt exist, Yisreql just failed to understand the rules surrounding it.

But we just dont have access to loviNgkindness/mercy without Jesus.

 

[Webers.Home]

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A number of Jews prefer the original covenant to the new, which is a risky
position because the Diaspora is on track to have the quality of their
compliance with the original covenant determine whether they become
citizens in the theocratic kingdom predicted in the old testament.

● Ezek 20:33-38 …As I live-- testifies The Lord God --I will reign over you
with a strong hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with overflowing
fury. With a strong hand and an outstretched arm and overflowing fury I will
bring you out from the Gentiles and gather you from the lands where you
are scattered, and I will bring you into the wilderness of the Gentiles; and
there I will enter into judgment with you face to face.

. . As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land
of Egypt, so will I enter into judgment with you-- testifies The Lord God. I
will make you pass under the shepherd's staff, and I will bring you into the
bond of the covenant. I will remove from you those who rebel and
transgress against Me; I will take them out of the countries where they
sojourn, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you shall know that
I am Yahweh.

It's been my own personal experience that the average Jew honestly
considers themselves righteous enough to survive their day in court face to
face with The Lord God. Well, just think back to the time when God brought
them out of Egypt. How many adults over the age of 20 entered the
promised land? Only two: Joshua and Caleb. Not even Moses himself made
the cut; nor even Bezalel and Oholiab, the two artificers endowed with
special skills and aptitudes by God's own spirit.

Being Jewish is no guarantee they'll make the cut and partake of the benefits
of Isa 11:1-14, Ezk 36:28-38), Mic 4:1-7, and Joel 2:19-27. Modern Jews just
don't seem to appreciate what they're up against.
_

 

[Racham]

.
A number of Jews prefer the original covenant to the new, which is a risky
position because the Diaspora is on track to have the quality of their
compliance with the original covenant determine whether they become
citizens in the theocratic kingdom predicted in the old testament.

● Ezek 20:33-38 …As I live-- testifies The Lord God --I will reign over you
with a strong hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with overflowing
fury. With a strong hand and an outstretched arm and overflowing fury I will
bring you out from the Gentiles and gather you from the lands where you
are scattered, and I will bring you into the wilderness of the Gentiles; and
there I will enter into judgment with you face to face.

. . As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land
of Egypt, so will I enter into judgment with you-- testifies The Lord God. I
will make you pass under the shepherd's staff, and I will bring you into the
bond of the covenant. I will remove from you those who rebel and
transgress against Me; I will take them out of the countries where they
sojourn, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you shall know that
I am Yahweh.

It's been my own personal experience that the average Jew honestly
considers themselves righteous enough to survive their day in court face to
face with The Lord God. Well, just think back to the time when God brought
them out of Egypt. How many adults over the age of 20 entered the
promised land? Only two: Joshua and Caleb. Not even Moses himself made
the cut; nor even Bezalel and Oholiab, the two artificers endowed with
special skills and aptitudes by God's own spirit.

Being Jewish is no guarantee they'll make the cut and partake of the benefits
of Isa 11:1-14, Ezk 36:28-38), Mic 4:1-7, and Joel 2:19-27. Modern Jews just
don't seem to appreciate what they're up against.
_

They generally as a flaw forget God's grace-mercy-lovingkindness.

Ive never heard a rabbi preach on tHe grace (lovingkindness) of God eVen though itis blataNtly obvious:
Psalm 136

 

[PaulThomson]

The Mosaic Law was like a wall around the Father's glory, separating those keeping the Mosaic Law from those not keeping the Mosaic Law. Those not keeping the Mosaic Law were separated from God and His people by the Mosaic Law.

The Son has always been a Door or Gate built into the wall that makes access for both Jew and Gentile into the presence of the Father according to the criteria set by the doorkeeper: repentance and faith. The wall, the Law, has been keeping out those trying to enter communion with God via climbing the wall, i.e. by law-keeping. It's too high to get over, even with the utmost effort.
But people, both Jew and Gentile, could always enter through the Gate/Door by thrusting the Door/the Son to grant them access to the Father, if they could find Him. So, Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfil/complete it... by making the Door obvious to all people by shining a light on the Door that grants access to the Father by believing God and His testimony to His Son.