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If you are a traditionalist, enjoying the cadence and prosody of the King James, that you try the New King James version. If you like something scholarly, I would suggest the New American Standard Version or the Amplified. If you want clarity, I would suggest the New International Version. If you want readablility I would suggest Phillips. IMO. I'm sure that you will get a lot of response from the KJV only people. I would not suggest the KJV as the language is obsolete.
you can tell if a bible is a true word of God by the very first verse in the Holy Word, see in order for it to be a true Holy Bible, it can not have any lies in it, if a translation says in the Biginning God created the Heavens and earth, it has started out with a lie to begin with in the very first verse of that translation, For God created one Heaven and one earth to start with, then later created the other two heavens, the Heaven where God dwells, the heaven where the stars and planets are then the Heaven where the Clouds are make up the three Heavens :
2co 12:2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.
however he didn't create all three heavens in the Beginning. He created the other two heavens when He divided the two Firmaments on the 2nd day:
Ge 1:7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.Ge 1:8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
so if a translation says in the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth is has already mislead the readers, and God is not the author of Confusion and God can not lie so a transaltion that has a lie in the very first verse can not be inspired by God:
Mt 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
2ti 3:16All scripture is given by INSPIRATION of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
here are some examples, all these example are taken from Bible gateway.com
Genesis 1:1 (King James Version)
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (New International Version)
Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (New King James Version)
Genesis 1
The History of Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (New American Standard Bible)
Genesis 1
The Creation
1(A)In the beginning (B)God (C)created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (Amplified Bible)
Genesis 1
1IN THE beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth.(A)
Genesis 1:1 (New Living Translation)
Genesis 1
The Account of Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a]
Footnotes:
Genesis 1:1 (The Message)
Genesis 1
Heaven and Earth
1-2First this: God created the Heavens and Earth—all you see, all you don't see. Earth was a soup of nothingness, a bottomless emptiness, an inky blackness. God's Spirit brooded like a bird above the watery abyss.
hope this is been a help
2co 12:2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.
however he didn't create all three heavens in the Beginning. He created the other two heavens when He divided the two Firmaments on the 2nd day:
Ge 1:7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.Ge 1:8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
so if a translation says in the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth is has already mislead the readers, and God is not the author of Confusion and God can not lie so a transaltion that has a lie in the very first verse can not be inspired by God:
Mt 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
2ti 3:16All scripture is given by INSPIRATION of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
here are some examples, all these example are taken from Bible gateway.com
Genesis 1:1 (King James Version)
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (New International Version)
Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (New King James Version)
Genesis 1
The History of Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (New American Standard Bible)
Genesis 1
The Creation
1(A)In the beginning (B)God (C)created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 (Amplified Bible)
Genesis 1
1IN THE beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth.(A)
Genesis 1:1 (New Living Translation)
Genesis 1
The Account of Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a]
Footnotes:
- Genesis 1:1 Or In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, . . . Or When God began to create the heavens and the earth, .
Genesis 1:1 (The Message)
Genesis 1
Heaven and Earth
1-2First this: God created the Heavens and Earth—all you see, all you don't see. Earth was a soup of nothingness, a bottomless emptiness, an inky blackness. God's Spirit brooded like a bird above the watery abyss.
hope this is been a help
The word for heaven there is plural, according to Strong's. So heavens is correct, heaven is an error. Because obviously God created the visible sky, our atmosphere, (first heaven) and then He created the outer atmosphere, the stars, space, etc.. which is the second heaven..so it obviously should be plural.
I showed my agrument from scriptures , strong's cord. was made by man who are we to trust God or man??, I trust God!! you trust who you will!!! He only created one to start with, you same the same thing we just differ on which was the first, but if in the beginning there was one heaven and one earth then it should not say heavenS! and the scriptures says that another heaven was created the second day so it could not had been in the biginning!
Here this shows that the same word is for heaven or heavens but if only one was there then it would say heaven!
[SIZE=+1]~ymX [/SIZE]Shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 8064
Here this shows that the same word is for heaven or heavens but if only one was there then it would say heaven!
[SIZE=+1]~ymX [/SIZE]Shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 8064
- heaven, heavens, sky
- visible heavens, sky
- as abode of the stars
- as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc
- Heaven (as the abode of God)
- visible heavens, sky
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Thaddeus, you started with an allegation that God created one heaven first and then the others. But you gave no proof or scripture for that. You then proceeded to post one or two bible versions that use the word heaven, when the majority use the word heavens.
Given that the people who wrote the bible versions are experts, and you are not..I take what the NLT says any day over what you say.
As you can see, the word can mean heavens (plural), and universe, atmosphere, sky etc, and ABODE OF THE STARS. And it can mean the abode of God. That sounds like multiple heavens to me. Yep, the word HEAVENS is perfectly fine...and in fact it's the KJV which has failed to capture the fact that all heavens were made in that first verse. God's abode, the universe, AND the earth's atmosphere.
heaven, heavens, sky
Given that the people who wrote the bible versions are experts, and you are not..I take what the NLT says any day over what you say.
As you can see, the word can mean heavens (plural), and universe, atmosphere, sky etc, and ABODE OF THE STARS. And it can mean the abode of God. That sounds like multiple heavens to me. Yep, the word HEAVENS is perfectly fine...and in fact it's the KJV which has failed to capture the fact that all heavens were made in that first verse. God's abode, the universe, AND the earth's atmosphere.
heaven, heavens, sky
- visible heavens, sky
- as abode of the stars
- as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc
- Heaven (as the abode of God)
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I gave the verse when God created the other two heavens, But I don't mind giving them again for you buddy.
Ge 1:6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.Ge 1:7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.Ge 1:8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
and this is Bible proof that all 3 heavens could not had been in the beginning, for two of them was created on the second day, on wait. let's see what your transaltion says : yep says that the other heavens was created on the second day, HHHHHMMMM wonder what it meant by heavenS in the beginning?
Genesis 1:6-8 (New Living Translation)
6 Then God said, “Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth.” 7 And that is what happened. God made this space to separate the waters of the earth from the waters of the heavens. 8 God called the space “sky.”
And evening passed and morning came, marking the second day.
Ge 1:6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.Ge 1:7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.Ge 1:8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
and this is Bible proof that all 3 heavens could not had been in the beginning, for two of them was created on the second day, on wait. let's see what your transaltion says : yep says that the other heavens was created on the second day, HHHHHMMMM wonder what it meant by heavenS in the beginning?
Genesis 1:6-8 (New Living Translation)
6 Then God said, “Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth.” 7 And that is what happened. God made this space to separate the waters of the earth from the waters of the heavens. 8 God called the space “sky.”
And evening passed and morning came, marking the second day.
Actually, the first verse is intended to be a general statement that in the beginning the heavens and the earth were created. It's like a title or heading for the next verses. So verses 6 to 8 come under the general heading of verse 1. "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth".
Do you know, using your same logic, a person could assert that God created one Earth in verse 1, and then describes the creation of a second earth in verses 2 onwards? Afterall, you said that the first heaven was created in verse 1, and the rest in verse 6 onwards. So why don't you apply the same logic to the earth?
no it doesnt' for God did not create another earth, but rather His spirit moved across the earth, the second verse starts off with "and the earth"( the one created in the beginning) doesn't say anything about creating another earth, maybe shaping what he had created because He made it without form.
I'm not sure what the NLT says but here is the KJB:
Ge 1:2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Exactly, so I don't know how you can claim God created 1 of the 3 heavens in verse 1, but don't believe that God created the whole earth in verse 1 either. It seems an unnatural way to read the bible.
From the bible resources I've consulted, (these are theologians mind you saying this, not just my opinion)
John Wesley, refers to it as heavens, and says that only the visible part is described:
1:1 Observe here.
1. The effect produced, The heaven and the earth - That is, the world, including the whole frame and furniture of the universe. But 'tis only the visible part of the creation that Moses designs to give an account of. Yet even in this there are secrets which cannot be fathomed, nor accounted for. But from what we see of heaven and earth, we may infer the eternal power and godhead of the great Creator. And let our make and place, as men, mind us of our duty, as Christians, which is always to keep heaven in our eye, and the earth under our feet. Observe
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown bible commentary confirms my view:
This first verse is a general introduction to the inspired volume, declaring the great and important truth that all things had a beginning; that nothing throughout the wide extent of nature existed from eternity, originated by chance, or from the skill of any inferior agent; but that the whole universe was produced by the creative power of God (Ac 17:24; Ro 11:36). After this preface, the narrative is confined to the earth.
Matthew Henry uses the plural form of heavens:
1:1,2 The first verse of the Bible gives us a satisfying and useful account of the origin of the earth and the heavens.
Now note that of all of these commentaries I have just quoted there were no NLT's or NIV's around at the time they were written, yet they still interpreted verse 1 to be referring to heavens in the plural.
From the bible resources I've consulted, (these are theologians mind you saying this, not just my opinion)
John Wesley, refers to it as heavens, and says that only the visible part is described:
1:1 Observe here.
1. The effect produced, The heaven and the earth - That is, the world, including the whole frame and furniture of the universe. But 'tis only the visible part of the creation that Moses designs to give an account of. Yet even in this there are secrets which cannot be fathomed, nor accounted for. But from what we see of heaven and earth, we may infer the eternal power and godhead of the great Creator. And let our make and place, as men, mind us of our duty, as Christians, which is always to keep heaven in our eye, and the earth under our feet. Observe
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown bible commentary confirms my view:
This first verse is a general introduction to the inspired volume, declaring the great and important truth that all things had a beginning; that nothing throughout the wide extent of nature existed from eternity, originated by chance, or from the skill of any inferior agent; but that the whole universe was produced by the creative power of God (Ac 17:24; Ro 11:36). After this preface, the narrative is confined to the earth.
Matthew Henry uses the plural form of heavens:
1:1,2 The first verse of the Bible gives us a satisfying and useful account of the origin of the earth and the heavens.
Now note that of all of these commentaries I have just quoted there were no NLT's or NIV's around at the time they were written, yet they still interpreted verse 1 to be referring to heavens in the plural.
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the word is SHaMaYiM
Mayim always means waters (plural)
in hebrew you never find water (singular)
the SH prefix is when used in words
can mean high, lofty or over
also means name
In the beginning He Elohim created out of nothing the high waters and it the earth
בְּרֵאשִׁית
be•re•**** (lol beresh1t)
7225
in the beginning
בָּרָא
ba•ra
1254
created (from nothing)
אלֹהִים
e•lo•him
430
elohim
אֵת
Et
853
he
הַשָּׁמַיִם
ha•sha•ma•yim
8064
the high waters
וְאֵת
ve•et
853
and it
הָאָֽרֶץ
ha•a•retz
776
the earth
Mayim always means waters (plural)
in hebrew you never find water (singular)
the SH prefix is when used in words
can mean high, lofty or over
also means name
In the beginning He Elohim created out of nothing the high waters and it the earth
בְּרֵאשִׁית
be•re•**** (lol beresh1t)
7225
in the beginning
בָּרָא
ba•ra
1254
created (from nothing)
אלֹהִים
e•lo•him
430
elohim
אֵת
Et
853
he
הַשָּׁמַיִם
ha•sha•ma•yim
8064
the high waters
וְאֵת
ve•et
853
and it
הָאָֽרֶץ
ha•a•retz
776
the earth
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אֱלֹהִים
e·lo·him
430
Elohim
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר
vai·yo·mer
559
and said
רָקִ֖יעַ
ra·ki·a
7549
an expanse
בְּתֹ֣וךְ
be·to·vch
8432
in midst
הַמָּ֑יִם
ham·ma·yim
4325
the waters
מַ בְ דִּ֔ י ל
mav·dil
914
separate
מַ֖יִם
ma·yim
4325
waters
לָמָֽיִם
la·ma·yim
to waters
And Elohim said ‘An expanse in the midst of the waters to separate waters to waters.’
e·lo·him
430
Elohim
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר
vai·yo·mer
559
and said
רָקִ֖יעַ
ra·ki·a
7549
an expanse
בְּתֹ֣וךְ
be·to·vch
8432
in midst
הַמָּ֑יִם
ham·ma·yim
4325
the waters
מַ בְ דִּ֔ י ל
mav·dil
914
separate
מַ֖יִם
ma·yim
4325
waters
לָמָֽיִם
la·ma·yim
to waters
And Elohim said ‘An expanse in the midst of the waters to separate waters to waters.’