Good question. Personally, I think of all people as potentially elect until they prove otherwise. I don't believe that it is possible to know unless God chooses to reveal it. I did have an assurance that my sister would be saved. My youngest brother died an atheist. They both heard the gospel. Entirely different responses, regrettably.before they truly believe in Jesus?
before they truly believe in Jesus?
before they truly believe in Jesus?
Hello Intersection, I don't believe that we can know if someone has been numbered among God's elect unless/until they come to true saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the only way that we can know.How do you believe someone is of the elect before they truly believe in Jesus?
Good question. Personally, I think of all people as potentially elect until they prove otherwise. I don't believe that it is possible to know unless God chooses to reveal it. I did have an assurance that my sister would be saved. My youngest brother died an atheist. They both heard the gospel. Entirely different responses, regrettably.
As far as I am aware, there is no way we can know whether somebody is of the elect before they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ - that is known to God alone.before they truly believe in Jesus?
Hello Intersection, I don't believe that we can know if someone has been numbered among God's elect unless/until they come to true saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the only way that we can know.
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
Mark 1320 Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
The word election comes from the Greek noun eklogē (1589), the adjective eklektos (1588), and the verb eklegō (1586).
All the words mean “chosen, select,” there would be a lot less confusion if the translators had consistently translated them as “choose” or “chosen” as this would have reduced the confusion with the term “elect.”
Now we have this un-biblical doctrine of God "selecting" people to eternal life.
before they truly believe in Jesus?
But whether you use "chosen" or "elect", it isn't unbiblical. Paul rote to the Ephesian Christians:
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:3-4 NKJV)
And to the Colossian Christians:
“Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;” (Col 3:12 NKJV)
How do you deal with Romans 8:29? It seems to be both.Here's the thing, you don't. Call on everyone to come to repentance and be saved. Why? Because God is doing the same thing. His wish is for all to be saved. He calls all people. The invitation is open for everyone. Those who respond become of the elect. A preknowledge thing, not a predestined thing.
But whether you use "chosen" or "elect", it isn't unbiblical. Paul rote to the Ephesian Christians:
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:3-4 NKJV)
And to the Colossian Christians:
“Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;” (Col 3:12 NKJV)
predestined to be conformed to His image, i.e. to be one with Him, those He foreknew to love him, per v.28 , "And we know God works all things together for who love Him, who are called according to His purpose (which is to become one with Him).How do you deal with Romans 8:29? It seems to be both.
When were they foreknown?predestined to be conformed to His image, i.e. to be one with Him, those He foreknew to love him, per v.28 , "And we know God works all things together for who love Him, who are called according to His purpose (which is to become one with Him).
This helps me answer the OP's question. You can tell that a person is elect if that person loves Him, even if they have yet to 'believe' in Him (i.e. they might hold a skeptical 'too good to be true' attitude toward him, initially, but, because of that love, or the love of the reputation that follows His person, keep searching Him out, and we know that scripture tells us that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him...and ultimately find, indeed, to their delight, that He first loved them).