How does Jesus' suffering on the cross compare to an eternity in Hell?

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BuffyLou said:
Jesus was a criminal. He was arrested, tried, punished.
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What were the charges, how were they proven to be true, who were the witnesses, by what legal code was the standard of judgment, and what were their statements, and who actually condemned him as a criminal?

"was in all points tempted like as [we are yet] without sin" [Hebrews 4:15],

and in His death it is written, "...my flesh shall rest in hope..." [Acts 2:26], and

"...his soul [being/person] was not left in the grave, neither his flesh did see corruption..." [Acts 2:31] because He was/is...

"holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners" [Hebrews 7:26]

that "holy thing" [Luke 1:35]

and "holy child" [Acts 4:27,30]

born of the "Holy Ghost" [Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:35],

where even though He came in the likeness [Romans 8:3; Philippians 2:7; etc] of sinful flesh, yet He was without sin:

"...lamb shall be without blemish..." [Exodus 12:5]

"… But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none." [Matthew 26:60]

"...the innocent blood..." [Matthew 27:4]

"...For he knew that for envy they had delivered him. ..." [Matthew 27:18]

"… Have thou nothing to do with that just man …" [Matthew 27:19]

"… Why, what evil hath he done? …" [Matthew 27:23]

"… I am innocent of the blood of this just person …" [Matthew 27:24]

"The said Pilate … I find no fault in this man.” [Luke 23:4]

"… Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:" [Luke 23:14]

"… what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him ..." [Luke 23:22]

"...lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him." [Luke 23:15]

"...this man hath done nothing amiss." [Luke 23:41]

"… Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man." [Luke 23:47]

"...I have kept my Father's commandments..." [John 15:10]

"...I find in him no fault [at all]." [John 18:38]

"...I find no fault in him." [John 19:4]

"...I find no fault in him." [John 19:6]

"...the obedience of one..." [Romans 5:19]

"...who knew no sin..." [2 Corinthians 5:21]

"...without sin." [Hebrews 4:15]

"...[who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners..." [Hebrews 7:26]

"Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:" [1 Peter 2:22]

"...in him is no sin." [1 John 3:5]

"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God..." [Hebrews 9:4;p]
 
BuffyLou said:
I never said he was not. I said he was a criminal. It's a historical fact.
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It is not a historical fact. Check your irrational and illogical reasoning. You are insisting that nobody was/is ever wrongfully tried and convicted. The fact of the matter is that Jesus' "trial" was illegal. LOL. Also, Pilate found Him innocent ;)
 
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Magenta said:
Jesus was sinless. If you cannot grasp that, you fail horribly at understanding anything about Christianity:geek:

Even a cursory reading of the crucifixion events shows that a known criminal was set free instead.
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They accept part of the written record that Jesus was arrested, using the very scriptures, they deny in the parts wherein it says that Jesus was sinless. It is willfull, and intentful.
 
WithinReason said:
They accept part of the written record that Jesus was arrested, using the very scriptures, they deny in the parts wherein it says that Jesus was sinless. It is willfull, and intentful.
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Yes, it is plain as day that Buffy is arguing from willful ignorance :oops::rolleyes::cry::censored::geek:
 
BuffyLou said:
Jesus broke the law. I'm surprised you'd question that fact.
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Accusing Jesus of sedition is bearing false witness, which is sinful, but do as you please.

For those who wish to know the truth, Jesus didn't lead or teach rebellion against government. Jesus willingly submitted to his own sentence of death.
 
BuffyLou said:
Jesus broke the law. I'm surprised you'd question that fact.
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What Law, and where may it be found to be written so that we may compare the actions of Jesus to that Law? I am rather 'surprised' at your audacity to state such a thing about Jesus, in spite of the scriptures stating otherwise.
 
Magenta said:
It is not a historical fact. Check your irrational and illogical reasoning. You are insisting that nobody was/is ever wrongfully tried and convicted. The fact of the matter is that Jesus' "trial" was illegal. LOL. Also, Pilate found Him innocent ;)
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The trial was illegal?
 
BuffyLou said:
The trial was illegal?
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By Pilate? Yes. He accepted Jesus into his custody, on the hearsay of the partial Sanhedrin, and yet found no guilt in Jesus by questioning, and yet still scourged him (twice), and did not release Him (Jesus) as he ought to have done, but then handed him over to his false-accusers, for Pilate "knew that for envy they had delivered him. ..." [Matthew 27:18]. All of which is illegal by Roman Law.
 
BuffyLou said:
The trial was illegal?
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By the High priest? Yes. Even the High priest broke Law, by tearing his Priestly Garments, which was illegal to do according to the Law of Moses:

Mat_26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.​
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Mar 14:63 Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?​
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Lev 21:10 And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes;​
 
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BuffyLou said:
It refers to 'bandits' a generic term for insurrectionists. They were crucified to serve as an example. Jesus was considered as much 'lestai' as they were.
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Hello again BuffyLou, where did you get your information :unsure: I've never read or heard anything like this before (and what proof is there that what you've been told is true?).

Quite frankly, if λῃστής [transliterated as lestes] was used as a generic term for "insurrectionist", it would show up as such in my lexicons, but it does not.

On the other hand, στασιαστής [transliterated as sustasiastes] means exactly that, the author of, or a participant in, an insurrection.

I believe that the Bible can be helpful here as it tells us plainly,

Mark 15​
7 The man named Barabbas had been imprisoned with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the insurrection.​

Barabbas (the criminal who the Jews persuaded Pilate to release instead of Jesus) and his fellow inmates were the murderers and insurrectionists of which you speak, not the innocent Lord Jesus Christ (nor were the two men who were hung on crosses to His right and to His left. They were both guilty of stealing, not insurrection).

Again, where did your information come from :unsure:

Thank you!

~Deut
 
Whoops, I suppose I could have made that a bit clearer. Hopefully this will:

Mark 15
7 The man named Barabbas had been imprisoned with the στασιαστής (insurrectionists) who had committed murder in the στάσις (insurrection).​

The word translated thief, robber or brigand, and the word translated insurrectionist, rebel, or rioter, are two different Greek words.

~Deut
 
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