How Israel was born.

[Bowhunter2394]

Thanks for your post, Jacob is a curious character, but his brother Seems to be more forgiving and not resentful.
Is interesting that the fraud against Esau, (I am not sure Jacob has the right, as "Esau complains you have already taken my primogeniture and now my blessing",) was triggered by the mother, there were not identical twins, The event in his birth is not under his control, why to mention it?
The wresting is not physical, but is depicted as it was physical. How we call it metaphor? legend?
The last paragraph confirms that he saw God Face to face?

'FRAUD' agasint Esau? mmmm careful.... God loved Jacob, but Esau He hated.... God chose Jacob over Esau.. and He is allowed to do as He pleases.. Hath not the Potter mastery and control over the Clay? who is he/she that saith to the Potter? why have you made this way? what have you brought Forth? awweeee the Potter hath Power and control over the clay... some vessels Fitted for Honour.. others Fitted for Dishonour.. its not the other way around.. where the CLAY tells the Potter 'how to act.. and why did you do this and why did you do that'.... out of Tempting the LORD and spite..... those are 'fruits' of the Wicked One.. indeed! Careful...

to claim that there was Fraud against Esau is to call God Unholy.. and He is not... God was Sovereign in His election, and it has nothing to do with man...... so that no flesh can glory in His Presence this Election Decreed before time and dirt were created!

 

[DesiredHaven]

Here are some of those verses,

Gen 25:21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife,
because she was barren:
and the LORD was intreated of him,
and Rebekah his wife conceived.

Gen 25:22 And the children struggled together within her;
and she said, If it be so, why am I thus?
And she went to enquire of the LORD.

Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her,
Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels;
and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
and the elder shall serve the younger.

Gen 25:24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled,
behold, there were twins in her womb.

Gen 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment;
and they called his name Esau.

Gen 25:26 And after that came his brotherout, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel;
and his name was called Jacob..

Gen 25:28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison:
but Rebekah loved Jacob.

Mal 1 :2 I have loved you, saith the LORD.
Yet ye say,
Wherein hast thou loved us?
Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD:
yet I loved Jacob,

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born,
neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand,
not of works, but of him that calleth)

Shown as nations

Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her,Two nations are in thy womb,
and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels;
and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
and the elder shall serve the younger.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Says here...

Mal 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, (Gen 25:30, Gen 36:1) We are impoverished,
but we will return and build the desolate places;
thus saith the LORD of hosts,
They shall build, but I will throw down;
and they shall call them, The border of wickedness,
and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

Then Esau comes in right here in Hebrews

Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;
lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau,
who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

As we see here...

Gen 25:22 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die:
and what profit shall this birthright do to me?

...and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.

Whereas it says here...

Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing,
he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Gen 27:38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father?
bless me, even me also, O my father.
And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept.

Just a few, sorta from beginning and in the middle, and mention of him in the NT, I didnt finish this but it could be helpful

 

[fredjames]

Your have not addressed the issues posted at all.

Impotence? You just went to curse and try to insult. Not that your Insults affects me, but please address the issue , maybe your angle has the light.

By the way are your Jew?

Answer to your first sentence, in humble and humility i would want to bring to your remembrance that our brethren have already addressed to you but you fail to take careful attention and take into account and therefore sadly in 'vain' you long for more and from everyone, even whom you are able to 'stir up' further.

Second sentence, you are wrong in your ignorant assumption accusation, for i have only 'rebuked your errors' and 'corrected your faults', even using Scripture revelation references in quote, as a reminder and as a stir up of memory and cautioned calling you to 'repent', not to me but to your GOD, whom at times we do put HIM to test. And also you will 'wise up' and be 'built up' on the 'ancient words' of the HOLY BIBLE, as it is written and believe them in 'faith' and with works and they are not entirely based on 'logic', as how an 'outsider who do not know what they do', would do and are our 'opposition', 'spirit' anti-CHRIST.

Indeed i can cause no affect on you nor anyone but know they can to themselves, during a state of 'void' or 'ignorance', that can 'affect' their own given Salvation, for fail to safe guard them during their walks towards Eternal Life.

To tell you the 'truth', i have addressed the 'issue', by first addressing about you, based on your 'knowledge faith and witnessing'. The 'first impression' of your posted Tread, with Scripture quote and the comments made according to them, which we are also as chosen, gifted and placed 'witnesses' here by GOD will and for CHRIST, in service to HIS lambs and sheep and on behalf of them, have discovered and distinguished amongst them 'a mocker and scoffer spirit', on an individual in our midst, which is 'witnessing' against GOD's Word/CHRIST, HIS every spoken and written word, documented in the HOLY BIBLE, of HIS 'Power' and 'Wisdom' and 'Sovereign' credibility for 'Faith', 'Love' and 'Hope'. This is the promised 'spiritual manna' that came from Heaven through CHRIST, for all born again, not only of water but also the HOLY SPIRIT, given for us to 'supplement/add' onto our 'faith' which we 'profess' our 'believe' of knowledge 'faith' and according to them, that which in the first place supposedly mostly our eyes have not yet 'seen' and our ears have not yet heard nor 'perceived'. And also no matter in whatever 'versions' they come and may be written and are taught by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, but yet it is 'testified' universally in 'one' accord faith understanding, as of 'Grace and Truth' of the Kingdom of GOD.

Do you see the 'Light' from this 'angle' that i have given to you and for your 'repentance' and not at all otherwise.

Finally regarding your last sentence, does it really matter to you or do you think you have an advantage, if i am a Jew?

We Gentiles and Jews called under the New Covenant 'equal'.