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How many beleive we are in the Tribulation period now and why
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Your hardly a scholar in these things
instead of trying to put people in these little groups why do you not for one just listen to what they say and actually discuss it with them.
your last post to me proved you heard nothing I even said
A day in prophecy,= a year, If it was days they wouldn't even had time to build the temple back, do the figurine, even JESUS uses the day for A year in one place.
If it was 490 years, Daniel would have written (Four Hundred And Ninety Years) he didnt
Daniel wrote Seventy Weeks, in my math book that means (Four Hundred And Ninety Days)
You follow and teach the standard eschatology of (Historicism) from the reformed theology,this teaching is Partial Preterist
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by this you prove you have no idea what I preach.
i follow no form of preterism
Lol "such a question"? You're insulted by my questions. Well I can't help how sensitive you are. That's pride you're dealing with, that's not on me. No one else had an issue with my questions.
I guess equally as fair, I don't need to take whatever you've written on this subject seriously anymore either?
Why? Does there have to be other prophetic pauses in prophecy as a prerequisite for the seven year pause to be valid? However, as a matter of fact there is another pause in prophetic scripture. Compare Jesus' quote of Isaiah 61:1-2
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Isaiah 61:1-2
"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners,
to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor and the day of our God’s vengeance,
Luke 4:16-21
Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read, the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
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In Luke 4:16-21, Jesus is teaching in the synagogue and reads the prophecy of Isaiah listed above, except that He left off the last part which says: "and the day of our God’s vengeance." Everything in that prophecy up to that point had been fulfilled, except for "the day of our God's vengeance, which is referring to 'The Day of the Lord," the time of God's wrath. That is why Jesus stopped mid sentence, because it hadn't been fulfilled yet.
That said, you have a 700 year gap from Isaiah's prophecy till the time that Jesus quoted it. And a 2000 year gap from the time that Jesus quoted Isaiah until the present. To be clear, that 'day of our God's vengeance' is yet to be fulfilled, but will be once the church has been removed and that antichrist establishes his seven year covenant with Israel. The day of our God's vengeance is what the book of Revelation is all about.
In further support of the last seven years being yet future, from the time that Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27 until the destruction of the temple in 70 ad, no seven year covenant was established with Israel and no abomination was set up in the holy place within the temple. Therefore, since God's word must be fulfilled, then those events still need to be fulfilled, which could only be a future event.
In addition, the setting up of the abomination takes place in the middle of that seven years, with Jesus returning at the end of those seven years. The last verse of Daniel 9:27 says, "until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him,' which is referring to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age where the antichrist/beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire.
Jesus said, "I will build My church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. After Christ was crucified, God paused that last seven years of the seventy sevens and began to build His church, which is still in the process of being built. Once the church is completed, the Lord will descend to the atmosphere and gather His church, dead and living. After that, God will take up right where He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years, with the Lord returning to the earth at the end.
Yes, the disciples and saints of the first century were martyred, but not by the rider on the white horse. They experienced the trials and persecutions that the Lord said we would have. Since the revealing of the antichrist is the result of the first seal being opened, which hasn't happened yet, then the disciples could not have been killed by the antichrist. Where did you read that they were to be killed by the rider on the white horse?
During the tribulation/great tribulation period, God will deal with Israel and the Christ rejecting world during that same time. If you will do a study on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, you will see that it includes the entire world. In fact Jesus said that that hour of trial would be coming upon the whole inhabited world and that the church would be kept out of it.
"Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.
I guarantee you, we have not entered into that last seven years, much less the great tribulation. And the reason is that none of the events describing that time period have taken place.
He wrote:
"shabua shibim [H7620 H7657 - šā-ḇu-‘îm šiḇ-‘îm ]" = "seventy 'sevens [/a period of seven]'" ... it is up to the CONTEXT to inform WHAT KIND of "SEVEN" (whether "days" or "years" or...).
The fact that the prophecy pertains to "________ [time-period] IS DETERMINED UPON thy [Daniel's] people, AND UPON thy [Daniel's] HOLY CITY"... and that the "FROM... UNTO [the Messiah the Prince... and after which He is "CUT OFF"]..." comes out PRECISELY TO Palm Sunday and what Jesus SAID [Lk19:41-44] and DID [Zech9:9] on that very day (BOTH of these re: "THE CITY/JERUSALEM"), is really a remarkable prophecy. I'm surprised you so easily dismiss it, instead clinging to your own definition of this Hebrew word and its usage.
Do you believe the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 below, took place in jerusalem, in the Roman destruction 66-70AD?
Matthew24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
I've already contended with others over the years who have attempt to use the "Rome was the entire world" claim. This is done to diminish the reality that scripture is speaking about the whole inhabited world, as if God isn't able to get that point across.
Case in Point: when the fourth angel pours out his bowl on the sun, it is given power to scorch the earth with fire, searing the inhabitants with intense heat. Is it just the area of the old Rome occupation that suffers? Does the sun only shine in the area of the old Roman occupied territory? Or does it mean that everyone on the earth where the sun shines will be exposed to this bowl of wrath? If you said the latter, then you would be correct.
All of the above are just misapplied historical events. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments is how the Day of the Lord is going to be fulfilled, which has not yet begun. Therefore, how can you have those past events mentioned above as being apart of the day of the Lord, when it hasn't started yet?
The 1260 days are not to be interpreted as years. They will be an actual 1260 days. Daniel 9:27 established a seven year time period, with the middle of the seven years marked by the setting up of the abomination and which Jesus identified as the beginning of the great tribulation. Revelation mentions that entire seven year period in reference to the 1260 days that the two witnesses will prophecy, the 42 months that the Gentiles will trample the holy city, the woman/Israel being cared for out in the wilderness for 1260 days, also mentioned as a time, times and a half a time. So, 1260 days will be 3 1/2 years based on 30 day month increments.
The result of the seventh trumpet is when Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven and cast to the earth, which is also the 3rd woe and will overlap the entire last 3 1/2 yeas. After that, the bowls will begin to be poured out, one after another, each with its own event of wrath.
After the 6th trumpet, an eagle flying through mid air announces trumpets 5, 6 and 7 as each being a woe. After the 5th trumpet is completed, it states that the first woe has past, two more woes are yet to follow. And then after the 6th trumpet is states that the second woe has past and the third woe is coming quickly. Weren't you curious when there was no mention of the 3rd woe either starting or completing like it did with trumpets 5 & 6? As I said previously, Satan and His angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth is the result of the 7th trumpet and the 3rd woe.
Within the book of Revelation there is literal and there symbolism. One of the major problems we have today is that people are not able to discern between the two. They symbolize what is meant to be literal and take literally what is meant to be symbolic.
The four head leapard with wings is symbolically representing Greece.
The lion symbolically represents Babylon
The seven headed dragon represents Satan as the orchestrator
"And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."
"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years
The seven heads:
"The seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them; and there are seven kings
The Ten Horns:
"And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but receive authority as kings one hour, along with the beast."
The Woman who Rides the Beast:
"the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
So yes, I am familiar with what is symbolic and what is literal in the book of Revelation.
However, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments do not read as symbolism and are therefore literal in their meanings. These events of wrath will take place literally on the whole earth and not just Rome's territory of old. The historical view does not fit with Jesus' reference to it being the the worst time in the history of the world. But their literal fulfillment does.
To apply a historical view to this vast information that God have us regarding the time of His wrath in the very last days, would be to dilute the power of His wrath.
This information about God's wrath was written for us to warn the world of God's coming wrath and the condemnation for those who continue to reject Christ. Needless to say, not many people are going to fear God if you turn them into historical events that have taken place in the past. In fact if anything it would put them at ease. Anyone who teaches this historical view is going to have to answer to God for it.
The world is currently heading for that time of wrath. But first the church must be gathered from the earth.
I'm just trying to get you to understand the truth of these matter.
All you have to do is READ HIS POST to see that he DOES NOT believe that.
You are getting confused... again.
He was cut for our sins , not for him self. HE died for our sin And that is when the Sacrificial laws was nail, THIS is JESUS being cut off for OUR SINS. ANY body should be able to see this is JESUS, IT even CLL HIM THE MESSIAH, And this means the Anointed one, And it can be no one else, He was the one that died as our sacrifice, AND ended sacrifice and the oblation to cease, we no longer kill a sacrifice for our sins, And if you can not see that in this verse Satan Has you blinded. even A young Christian, should be able to see that this is our blessed savior OUR MESSIAH the anointed one, and only savior,
If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four Hundred And Ninety Years)
When it say that nor ever shall be, lets us know that there is going to be time after great tribulation,, which was the dark days, when the deadly wound is healed The time of JABOC TROUBLE WILL START,
"Seventy SEVENS" (Dan9:24)
If he had meant "days," he would have added the word "DAYS [H3117]" to the word "SEVENS [H7620]" like in Ezekiel 45:21 - Ezekiel 45:21 Hebrew Text Analysis (biblehub.com).
He does not.
I Agree, Seventy Sevens
70x7=490 days, or Seventy Weeks
If Daniel Meant 490 Years he would have written (Four Hundred And Ninety Years) He Didn't, it's that simple
H7620 - shabua -
[Strong's]
seven, week
Or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of shaba' as a denominative of sheba'; literal, sevened, i.e. A week (specifically, of years) -- seven, week.
"Seventy SEVENS" (Dan9:24)
If he had meant "days," he would have added the word "DAYS [H3117]" to the word "SEVENS [H7620]" like in Ezekiel 45:21 - Ezekiel 45:21 Hebrew Text Analysis (biblehub.com).
He does not.
[Strong's]
seven, week
Or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of shaba' as a denominative of sheba'; literal, sevened, i.e. A week (specifically, of years) -- seven, week.
"Seventy SEVENS" (Dan9:24)
If he had meant "days," he would have added the word "DAYS [H3117]" to the word "SEVENS [H7620]" like in Ezekiel 45:21 - Ezekiel 45:21 Hebrew Text Analysis (biblehub.com).
He does not.
Daniel wrote (Seventy Weeks)
In my holy bible that means 490 days,
Do you live on earth and watch the sunrise, the sunset, and the sunrise again?
That's called one day, it's a 24 hour period, seven of these time periods is one week
If Daniel meant 490 years, he would have written
(Four Hundred And Ninety Years)