How Often Need Catholics Take Communion?

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Transubstantiation is a process wherein the elements of communion (a.k.a.
species) are transformed into Christ's body and blood; which, if true, is a
tremendous advantage for Catholics. Here's why.

● John 6:53-54 . . Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the
Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever
eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

If transubstantiation is true, then Catholics need to ingest the elements but
once and they never need to ingest them again seeing as how eternal life is
impervious to death. Were that not so it would be possible to assassinate
God; viz: eternal life never wears out, nor wears off, nor spoils, not gets old
and dies.

Q: When would Catholics obtain eternal life from the elements?

A: Right away. The grammatical tense of "has" is present tense.

NOTE: Jesus compared himself to manna; which was a curious nourishment
that God provided His people during their forty years in the Sinai outback.
Manna didn't give them eternal life-- in point of fact manna didn't even give
them immortality; it just gave them daily sustenance.

Manna was dated; but not eternal life; no, eternal life is just as fresh now as
it was a billion years ago because eternal life isn't an organic commodity;
rather, it's power.

Well; if transubstantiation is true; then it isn't necessary to dine upon Christ
on a daily basis, nor a weekly basis, nor even an annual basis because
eternal life can't be used up; no, eternal life is endless.

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[wwjd_kilden]

While I disagree with the doctrine of the communion literally turning into flesh and blood

"Whoever believes in him shall (....) have eternal life" : True for all Christians
"Do this as often as you gather in remembrance of me" : Was that only for his closes disciples?
If not, we are to do it, even though we already have eternal life.... to commemorate Jesus. Catholics and Protestants alike.

 

[MikeHenderson]

When Jesus did the first communion He did not rip off His arm and pass it around for the Disciples to eat. He did not drain His blood in a cup and pass it around for them to drink.

You have to understand where the Catholic Church is coming from. The Catholics believe that what the Catholic Church teaches is greater in authority then what the Scriptures say.

 

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When Jesus did the first communion He did not rip off His arm and pass it around for the Disciples to eat. He did not drain His blood in a cup and pass it around for them to drink.

You have to understand where the Catholic Church is coming from. The Catholics believe that what the Catholic Church teaches is greater in authority then what the Scriptures say.

John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

 

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[h=2]How Often Need Catholics Take Communion?[/h]According to what I was taught at St. Pat's and according to my CCD teachers in high school twice a year, minimum. Easter and Christmas. Preferably every Sunday and Days of Obligation. (Sorry. So long ago, I can't run down that list anymore.) Ideally, every day of the year, but confession comes first, so expect to spend a little extra time before hand.

 

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We must have Faith in order to be saved, and we must have Divine Faith, not human faith. Human faith will not save a man, but only Divine Faith. What is Divine Faith? It is to believe, upon the authority of God, the truths that God has revealed. That is Divine Faith, to believe all that God has taught upon the authority of God, and to believe without doubting, without hesitation. For the moment you begin to doubt or hesitate, that moment you begin to mistrust the authority of God, and, therefore, insult God by doubting His word. Divine Faith, therefore, is to believe without doubting and without hesitating. Human faith is belief upon the authority of men, on human authority. But Divine Faith is to believe without doubting, without hesitating, whatsoever God has revealed upon the authority of God, upon the Word of God.

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When Jesus did the first communion He did not rip off His arm and pass it around for the Disciples to eat. He did not drain His blood in a cup and pass it around for them to drink.

You have to understand where the Catholic Church is coming from. The Catholics believe that what the Catholic Church teaches is greater in authority then what the Scriptures say.

You might want to spend more time understanding the Catholic Church better yourself. What Catholics believe may or may not be what the RCC doctrine says, and I'm pretty sure the RCC doctrine doesn't think it is a greater authority than scripture. There's what the church has for doctrine, what different priests and nuns teach, what lay people teach, and then what Catholics believe.

It's complicated.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Actually Depleted the Catholic Church does teach their doctrines are above the Scriptures.

Example, the Holy Spirit says ALL have sinned in the Scriptures.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

But yet the Catholic Church teaches Mary was born without sin and Mary never sinned in her lifetime.

Do you see how the Catholics have put their doctrines above the Scriptures?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

You have to understand where the Catholic Church is coming from. The Catholics believe that what the Catholic Church teaches is greater in authority then what the Scriptures say.

They didn't in the services I've attended so far

 

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Actually Depleted the Catholic Church does teach their doctrines are above the Scriptures.

Example, the Holy Spirit says ALL have sinned in the Scriptures.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

But yet the Catholic Church teaches Mary was born without sin and Mary never sinned in her lifetime.

Do you see how the Catholics have put their doctrines above the Scriptures?

And, again? No! They don't. That's the problem. They don't teach doctrine all that much. Even the priests and nuns don't know it, so they're off teaching little second-grader me that the sixth commandment (and you get to figure out which commandment that is Catholic style for all the years I have had to spend remembering what it was Protestant style lol) was to brush my teeth twice a day, comb my hair, and take a bath every other night, but make sure one is on Saturday night so I don't stink up "God's House." THAT's the stuff Catholics are taught. And it has absolutely nothing to do with their doctrine.

Transubstantiation -- 80% of my teachers taught it was real. 20% didn't. Go figure. They can teach anything they want specifically because doctrine isn't taught, unless it becomes a to-do.

You spend way too much time thinking you need to teach everyone everything. I've lived this. I already know what the RCC teaches. I'm still trying to unlearn some of it today. (I used to know the Ten Commandments, until I discovered one was missing Catholic style. Now I never remember which is numbered which.)

 

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Transubstantiation is a process wherein the elements of communion (a.k.a.
species) are transformed into Christ's body and blood; which, if true, is a
tremendous advantage for Catholics. Here's why.

● John 6:53-54 . . Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the
Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever
eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

If transubstantiation is true, then Catholics need to ingest the elements but
once and they never need to ingest them again seeing as how eternal life is
impervious to death. Were that not so it would be possible to assassinate
God; viz: eternal life never wears out, nor wears off, nor spoils, not gets old
and dies.

Q: When would Catholics obtain eternal life from the elements?

A: Right away. The grammatical tense of "has" is present tense.

NOTE: Jesus compared himself to manna; which was a curious nourishment
that God provided His people during their forty years in the Sinai outback.
Manna didn't give them eternal life-- in point of fact manna didn't even give
them immortality; it just gave them daily sustenance.

Manna was dated; but not eternal life; no, eternal life is just as fresh now as
it was a billion years ago because eternal life isn't an organic commodity;
rather, it's power.

Well; if transubstantiation is true; then it isn't necessary to dine upon Christ
on a daily basis, nor a weekly basis, nor even an annual basis because
eternal life can't be used up; no, eternal life is endless.

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Ex Opere Operato does not work. I have lived around tons of Spanish folk who used to go to Mass weekly and some daily, after Mass it was party time and most show no signs of being born again...no interest in God's Word...all religion. I've seen this to some extent in the Lutheran Church as well with such sayings as "I was born a Lutheran", "Remember your baptism" etc.

 

[Ahwatukee]

How Often Need Catholics Take Communion?

I don't know, but I'm sure that if what they believe were to be true, Jesus would be a pretty tired guy being pulled down out of heaven by the mysterium in order to enter into the Eucharist thousands of times per day and night so that people can eat His flesh and drink His blood. Kind of drives home the meaning of omnipresent, huh?

 

[notuptome]

Just one more time than he/she has taken it. Mans devices always come up just a tad short. Only by grace can one be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[tanakh]

Martin Luther retained the belief in transubstantiation and other Protestant denominations believe that during the Eucharist Christ is somehow present. I find it difficult to believe that the wafer somehow changes into the body of Christ but to a Catholic or a Lutheran it is a matter of faith

 

[JustWhoIAm]

Martin Luther retained the belief in transubstantiation and other Protestant denominations believe that during the Eucharist Christ is somehow present. I find it difficult to believe that the wafer somehow changes into the body of Christ but to a Catholic or a Lutheran it is a matter of faith

Yeah, like his DNA gets somehow passed down into the cracker >.>

Personally, i can't with religious doctrine. It doesn't fit with the ministry. I figure, "Ok. Someone want to say a prayer before we eat dinner?" Out of remembering to be thankful to God, mind you, rather than going through the motions.

 

[KenAllan]

Your wrong, the Catholic Church does teach Mary was born without sin. This is the problem with most so called Christians, they do not take the time to find out what a Church teaches before they join that Church.

We are to believe and accept ONLY that which the Holy Spirit teaches in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit clearly has said all have sinned and clearly the Catholic Church teaches Mary was sinless.

Another thing is when Catholics confess their sins to a Catholic Priest it is mandatory for the forgiveness of their sins to pray the Hail Mary over and over and over again. They are praying to Mary, not to God.

I find it astounding so many people will not take the time to study the Scriptures and compare them to what certain Churches teach.

 

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Q: What's the correct way to partake of Christ's body and blood?

A: Well; one thing we can be very sure of is that Christ wasn't literal. The
reason being that right after the Flood, God forbad humanity to eat living
flesh and blood (Gen 9:3-4). So if people are determined to eat Christ's flesh
and blood, either literally or transubstantiated, they are going to have to
first make sure it's quite dead; which of course is impossible seeing as how
Christ rose from the dead with immortality. (Rom 6:9)

Also; the night of Christ's last supper, he and all the men present with him
were Jews. Well; seeing as how according to Heb 9:16-17, the new covenant
wasn't ratified until Christ died, then he and his men were still under the
jurisdiction of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God in the
Old Testament as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

The covenant forbids Jews to eat any manner of blood (Lev 7:26-27). So if
Christ had led those men into eating his blood that night, he would have led
them into a curse (Deut 27:26) and thus relegated himself to the position of
the least in the kingdom of God. (Matt 26:26-28)

Bottom line: We can, and we should, rule out transubstantiation as a valid
explanation of John 6:32-58.

Q: What then is the correct way to go about it?

A: Well; Jesus informed his remaining followers that the words he spoke
about eating his flesh and blood are spirit words (John 6:63). Not that
people can't read and/or hear spirit words written and/or spoken in their
native tongue; but in order to understand what spirit words are saying,
people need some way to decode them.

No doubt Rome claims it has the ability to decode spirit words; but if John Q
and Jane Doe pew warmer don't have the ability, then they're forced to take
Rome's word for it.

Speaking for myself: I don't have the ability to decode spirit words, nor do I
have access to an Enigma machine set up for decoding them. I think I know
what Jesus' spirit words are saying; but in reality, my thoughts are only a
theory; so in sharing my thoughts, I'd just be muddying the waters.

FYI: Christians are instructed to avoid eating blood. (Acts 15:20, Acts 15:29,
and Acts 21:25)

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● John 6:53 . . Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you
eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life
within you.

Rome's understanding of the life referred to in Christ's statement is as
follows

"It is quite in keeping with the excellence of the heavenly Father that He
should supply for His children during the pilgrimage a fitting sustenance
which will sustain the dignity of their position, and be to them a pledge of
resurrection and eternal life; and this is the Bread of the Holy Eucharist."
(Catholic Encyclopedia)

Seeing as how the life obtained from the Eucharist has to be replenished
from time to time in order to "sustain the dignity of their position, and be to
them a pledge of resurrection and eternal life" then it's in the same category
as manna, which was also a temporary sustenance. But Jesus said that the
power of his "bread" isn't temporary; rather, it's perpetual.

● John 6:49-51 . . Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they
died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it
and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever
eats this bread will live forever;

Something else: I suspect Rome is under the illusion that John 6:48-58 and
1Cor 11:23-25 are teaching the same thing; but there is a world of
difference between the two teachings.

As an illustration: The Viet Nam War Memorial in Washington DC isn't set up
as a food court where visitors come and dine upon the bodies and blood of
the servicemen and women whose names are on the wall. No, the memorial
is set up for remembering the people whose names are on the wall; lest we
forget.

● 1Cor 11:23-25 . . For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to
you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread, and,
after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you.
Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper,
saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you
drink it, in remembrance of me."

Note that, unlike John 6:48-58, the above passage doesn't say "do this in
order to obtain eternal life". Not even! No, it's a memorial service; and the
intent is to prevent Christ's crucifixion from becoming marginalized; and
thus out of mind.

● 1Cor 11:26 . . For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you
proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.

Q: But what about 1Cor 11:29? Doesn't that teach real presence?

A: No; it teaches that when people regard the Lord's supper as merely food
on the table; they devalue the importance of his death; which is a pretty
serious sin.

● 1Cor 11:30 . . That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a
number of you have fallen asleep.

Apparently the Corinthian Christians set the Lord's supper up as sort of a
potluck and/or an all you can eat buffet where people helped themselves
instead of being served by priests and altar boys. Well; that would have
been okay except that it led to excess and poor manners.

● 1Cor 11:20-23 . .When you meet together, it is not to eat the Lord's
Supper, for in your eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is
hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses in which to eat
and drink? Or do you despise the church of God, and shame those who have
nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? In this I will not praise
you.

● 1Cor 11:33-34 . . So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat,
wait for each other. If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that
when you meet together it may not result in judgment.

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[notuptome]

Martin Luther retained the belief in transubstantiation and other Protestant denominations believe that during the Eucharist Christ is somehow present. I find it difficult to believe that the wafer somehow changes into the body of Christ but to a Catholic or a Lutheran it is a matter of faith

Martin Luther left the catholic church because the church believed it could sell heaven for the price of a few prayers said on behalf for the sinner. They completely perverted the scripture.

Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

And they did it for money.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

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Q: Doesn't Rom 8:13 prove that it's possible for people to lose eternal life?
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the spirit you put
to death the deeds of the body, you will live."

A: No; because eternal life is impervious to death; not even God can kill it.

Also; according to Rom 6:23 eternal life is a gift; which according to Rom
11:29 is exempt from recall.

The eighth chapter of Romans is not for the eyes and ears of your average
John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer. It's specifically for people who have
immunity from prosecution from everything they've done in the past that's
hell-worthy, everything they're doing in the present that's hell-worthy, and
everything they'll do in the future that's hell-worthy.

● Rom 8:1-2 . . Hence, now there is no condemnation for those who are in
Christ Jesus. For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed you
from the law of sin and death.

Christ said as much:

● John 5:34 . . Amen, amen, I say to you: Whoever hears my word, and
believes in the one who sent me, has eternal life and will not come to
condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

I was baptized an infant into the Roman church and underwent the process
of First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Catechism teachers drilled it into
my impressionable young head that one's behavior is crucial to their safety
from the wrath of God. Imagine my relief to discover that Christ's crucifixion
circumvents catechism teachers and provides a means of escaping the
wrath of God that depends solely upon Christ's behavior instead of mine.

● Rom 5:18-19 . . Just as through one transgression condemnation came
upon all, so through one righteous act acquittal and life came to all. For just
as through the disobedience of one person the many were made sinners, so
through the obedience of one the many will be made righteous.

In other words: Adam's imperfection made his progeny imperfect. In
contrast, Christ's perfection makes his progeny perfect.

Christ has progeny? Yes; in point of fact, Jesus' progeny was predicted
something like 700 years before he was born.

● Isa 53:10 . . If he gives his life as an offering for sin, he shall see his
descendants in a long life

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