How the NSA & FBI made Facebook the perfect mass surveillance tool

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Educate yourself: https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/your-right-privacy

https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty

https://www.aclu.org/privacyrights

Nautilus said:
I dont care because people overplay it. If I honestly thought the government spying on social media consisted of a serious issue then maybe. But how in the first place does the government spying on a website, which in the first place, never offered any claim to privacy represent a threat? If someone is fooliash enough to believe anything they post online is private then they deserve whatever they get.
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I still dont care. If this is an actual issue with some people maybe they just shouldnt have a facebook.
 
Look at me. Study, uncover every rock.

When they outlaw christianity, they will come and get me ( if the rapture is not true ). I will die for Christ.

Probably won't be pretty but cannot think of a better way to go.
 
Sure Nautilus. We understand.

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Lol.

Nautilus said:
I still dont care. If this is an actual issue with some people maybe they just shouldnt have a facebook.
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oh lol, you cant accept not everyone agrees with your overreacting so you result to cheap potshots using internet pics? Congrats sir. I clearly see you've learned and matured a lot in your 50 years on this earth. though you might want to be careful what you post...you never know big brother might be watching you...ohhhh, scary
 
You're right, of course; however, it DID take the government years to catch the Dread Pirate Roberts and he used TOR and a hotspot shield.

TrustInJesus said:
Anonymous browsers like Tor provide a false sense of security and anonymity.
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Good video from a law professor. Though it's dealing with reserving your right to be silent, the principles apply to this topic for you've already spoken if the government can simply capture all of your online data and use it against you directly and indirectly. An example of the latter case would be, as I stated before, simply tying you into something someone else did despite your actual innocence.

[video=youtube_share;6wXkI4t7nuc]http://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc[/video]
 
 
People should not have to abandon the exercise of free speech over modern communications because government agencies act unethically in unlawfully collecting what people post and storing it for use it against them at some future date. That is an obvious violation of government ethics.

Government ethics is that part of practical jurisprudence, or the philosophy of law, that governs the operation of government and its relationship with the people that it governs. It covers issues of honesty and transparency in government, dealing with matters such as bribery, political corruption, police corruption, legislative ethics, regulatory ethics, conflict of interest, avoiding the appearance of impropriety, open government, and legal ethics. -Ethics Articles

Understand that government is itself subject to the rule of law which places limits on its authority. In ethics, government is to be limited by just legal order which assigns and limits government powers and which prevents governments from violating the rights of its citizens.

Secondly, government is limited by the existence of other social authorities. A crucial boundary on the authority of government is set by the authority of social institutions. In the Christian tradition many social institutions and not only government are seen as standing under God with their own vocations and mandates.

A case can be made that it was the very existence of Christianity which laid the conditions for the later emergence of a genuinely free society... a civil society of free persons, and also of plural institutions standing alongside and limiting government by distributing social authority widely across society.

Now obviously, public injustice can arise anywhere in society and so touch any institution. However, government authority may not be ‘intensive’ in the sense of ‘going all the way down’ into other institutions but rather is limited to only the parties involved in the injustice. It is unethical (and illegal) for government, for example, to simply catalog everything everyone on Facebook does with an eye toward putting them all in prison at a future date because some people misuse the service illegally.

The only way a government can act unethically and do such things in a government structure such as ours if most people let them. Why would anyone allow a government to act unethically, in such a sweeping manner, against it's own citizenry one might ask. Nautilus provides a perfect example. As long as it's someone else they target and not him, he could care less. Obviously, he exhibits a non-Christian ethic and behavior in the matter.


Nautilus said:
Well you are being rather trollish attacking people simply because they dont share your concern over this. Especially when the easiest solution is dont have a facebook.
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Well for the first time, I find myself agreeing with AgeofKnowledge - governments should be limited in terms of surveillance.

Viewing from a panoptic standpoint, surveillance is an apparatus of power. What's more it's anonymous.

However it's not just governments that are involved in this, but entire organizations. You take one daisy out of the way, another one pops in its place.
What about data mining that happens rampantly and personal information sold so you can get your favourite recommendations?

Surveillance is a tool now, not just a means of discipline.

That being said, should we live in a state of absolute dread? I mean if you think about it, even God constantly watches over what we always do.

If everything that was once in the dark, and it would one day be open, as Christians - should we really be THAT concerned? Maybe we need to introspect ourselves.

And one more point made was Christians introduced a free society... well democracy as an idea was floated around in Greece.
Christians are technically under a monarchy :p


So what I am saying is - Yes I respect privacy and I think big brother should step back for a bit, but also I think it's far too late now for people to go back to a time of no snooping. Once your eyes are opened , you can't go back to the cave without being persona non grata.
 
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My favorite part is this unfounded fear thats all the 'spying' is to be used nefariously in unlawfully jailing people. Probably to fill all your for profit prisons right AoK?
 
Since I'm against the excesses of private prisons and overcriminalization, your assertions are patently false.

Read my posts on the problems with private prisons and overcriminalization:

http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...72-private-prisons-occupancy-requirement.html

also:

http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/83040-how-many-people-arrested-u-s-age-23-a.html

But then Nautilus didn't care enough to do any research. He was too busy using his "best thinking" to make assertions about others that are patently false. He didn't even have the wisdom to ask. So little due diligence, so little wisdom, so many false assertions. That's Nautilus. But then he doesn't care, remember.

And a few people have already gone to prison as a result of the NSA warrantless spying program but if you've been reading my posts in this thread, I've shown that historical misuses and abuses of such data gathering have been far greater... truly diabolical just in the last century over much of the world and we're trending toward that not away from it.

The Fourth Amendment places structural constraints not only on the government's ability to intrude into private lives. It's about the balance of power between the government and the people.

As Cindy Cohn, legal director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a champion for preserving privacy rights in the digital age stated, "That's the government's position: If you don't want us to have access to it, you need to stay home alone in your house in the dark. If you use any digital technology to communicate with other people ... they view it as you having waived our privacy rights ... and they have access to it."

https://www.aclu.org/spy-files

There's a balance, of course, but the overreach we're seeing is unethical and either illegal or should be illegal in many instances. If only more people cared.


Nautilus said:
My favorite part is this unfounded fear thats all the 'spying' is to be used nefariously in unlawfully jailing people. Probably to fill all your for profit prisons right AoK?
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Lol just had to add this made me laugh because me and my more punk rocker type friends like to jokingly call it the U.S.S.A.

Jokes aside, you make good points about Big Brother being able to archive and then hold information against dissidents later on or for purposes of blackmail and coercion. If the government wasn't full of Republicans and Democrats, arguing the various violations to various bits of the Constitution this massive spying scandal has violated is quite easy. Lol, but gotta remember the government don't care, they have after all done a lot worse than spying. Plus people keep electing the officials from both parties that like this sort of thing, and in fairness they have always been pretty open in their support of legislation that allows this stuff, so in their minds they have a mandate from the people to break the Constitution.

While deeply unAmerican and contrary to the notion of American constitutionality and liberty, I ain't too particularly worried.

Seeing as I all ready figured out this game before it was even revealed I got my own game. It's quite simple, all you gotta do is spy on the spies thus making you among the greatest spies in the world.

@Nautilus Heh not having facebook won't stop them from spying on you, they spy and archive all phone records, all financial records, and even got bugs and spying equipment in your TVs, cellhpones, and even dishwashers believe it or not lol. There is however a way around that all though if one is trully worried about Big Brother watching; simply burn your Social Security card and any and all forms of identification, give yourself a pseudonym, and go rough it like the pioneers of old lol.

Though I would add, not having a facebook is a good choice indeed, not for the spying stuff, but simply because facebook is one of the biggest sources of drama and destroyers of friendships and relationships I have ever seen.
 
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Good post and this here got me to thinking about the old Chinese saying, "friends will come and go but your enemies will accumulate."

lol. Sad but sometimes true unfortunately.

GodIsSalvation said:
Though I would add, not having a facebook is a good choice indeed, not for the spying stuff, but simply because facebook is one of the biggest sources of drama and destroyers of friendships and relationships I have ever seen.
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