How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Dear Brother, this is what i was warning you about - believing a lie and then promoting it- which is SIN.
There is only One Gospel for His Elect, for the Jew and the Gentile.
Pre-trib is a vile SIN by separating the Two from the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The vile lie of pre-trib teaches you not to fear God and to practice 'lawlessness' by twisting God's words.
Now you preach a false gospel, by distorting the words of Christ, adding to them and taking away to where you completely change Scripture so much so that it produces a gospel of works unto salvation.
ALL pre-trib rhetoric comes from the mouths of unrepentant men who worship an idol above the words of God.
Do not follow these men dear Brother Oyster67, do not follow their doctrines of carnal desires.
BELIEVE the words of our LORD who says to everyone Jew & Gentile:
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to eat from the tree of life in the Paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
There is only One Gospel for His Elect, for the Jew and the Gentile.
Pre-trib is a vile SIN by separating the Two from the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The vile lie of pre-trib teaches you not to fear God and to practice 'lawlessness' by twisting God's words.
Now you preach a false gospel, by distorting the words of Christ, adding to them and taking away to where you completely change Scripture so much so that it produces a gospel of works unto salvation.
ALL pre-trib rhetoric comes from the mouths of unrepentant men who worship an idol above the words of God.
Do not follow these men dear Brother Oyster67, do not follow their doctrines of carnal desires.
BELIEVE the words of our LORD who says to everyone Jew & Gentile:
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to eat from the tree of life in the Paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
Good Morning Beautiful one in Christ - thank you for you prayers.
How does the Jew and the Gentile come to Salvation? by separate gospels? Did God make a distinction between Jew & Gentile in Christ?
For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free,
but Christ is all and in all.
How does the Jew and the Gentile come to Salvation? by separate gospels? Did God make a distinction between Jew & Gentile in Christ?
For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free,
but Christ is all and in all.
YES Brother - and there is no pre-trib rapture in Revelation ch19 & 20
The FIRST Resurrection only occurs after all of the Saints have come thru the Great Tribulation.
just as God said in Revelation chs 1, 2, 6, 7 12, 14 and Matthew ch24 and 1 Thess and 2 Thess and 1 John 2:14-19
HEAR, BELIEVE and SPEAK God's words and not satans.
The FIRST Resurrection only occurs after all of the Saints have come thru the Great Tribulation.
just as God said in Revelation chs 1, 2, 6, 7 12, 14 and Matthew ch24 and 1 Thess and 2 Thess and 1 John 2:14-19
HEAR, BELIEVE and SPEAK God's words and not satans.
Hi!
By Holy Spirit, in His people now.....to preach the Gospel of Christ....in this "dispensation of Grace".....
How do people come to Christ after Revelation 4?
Seems Angels are solely preaching...
What happened to the people of God ...preaching? (scripture)
God Bless!
By Holy Spirit, in His people now.....to preach the Gospel of Christ....in this "dispensation of Grace".....
How do people come to Christ after Revelation 4?
Seems Angels are solely preaching...
What happened to the people of God ...preaching? (scripture)
God Bless!
The LORD said the preaching of His Gospel thru His Bride will continue up to His Coming - Matthew 24
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,
“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
God said His Resurrection will take place after the Great Tribulation and not a day before.
God says the gathering of His Elect/His Saints/His Overcomers will occur AFTER the FIRST Resurrection at His Coming.
Matthew 24 = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 = 2 Thess 2:1-12 = Revelation 6:9-11 = Revelation chs 19&20
No. God said the Second Coming shall come after the Great Tribulation. At this time, the Raptured ones will be coming back down with Him in clouds. Instead of partaking in God's wrath, they have been partaking in the Marriage Feast.
Have a nice day.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Have a nice day.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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No. God said the Second Coming shall come after the Great Tribulation. At this time, the Raptured ones will be coming back down with Him in clouds. Instead of partaking in God's wrath, they have been partaking in the Marriage Feast.
Have a nice day.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Have a nice day.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thess & 2 Thess clearly states there is no pre-trib rapture
1 Thess 4:13-18 clearly states no rapture until the Second Coming of Christ and only AFTER the First Resurrection
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that;
God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep(died) in Him. (these are the spirits of the deceased Saints in Christ)
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord;
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep/died.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. (First Resurrection in Revelation ch 20)
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
I think you need to work on "clearly states." John 3:16 is a very that "clearly states." For many of Paul's passages, it takes study and meditation to determine his meaning. This is especially true of the 2 Thes. 2 passage. This passage requires an understanding of many other of Paul's passages to find his real meaning.
"(First Resurrection in Revelation ch 20)" You wrote this phrase after quoting 1 Thes. 4:13-18. Here is another example, this time of John's writing, where more study is needed. Can you use simple logic? There are, every and forever, only TWO (2) resurrections listed in Rev. 20. The "second death" resurrection is for those who have been existing in hell. It should be abundantly clear that Jesus' resurrection would not "fit" in the second death resurrection. Therefore, since there is only one other alternative, His resurrection must fit in the chief of resurrections.
"First:"
Lexicon :: Strong's G4413 - prōtos
1. first in time or place
2. first in rank, influence, honor, chief
Since Jesus' resurrection must fit in this primary or chief of resurrections, we can easily see that this Greek word is better translated here as chief or first in honor. In other words, it is not talking about first in sequence or time.
The truth of scripture is that this primary or chief of resurrections is for all the righteous of all time, Jesus first, then the church, then the 144,000, then the beheaded.
Does Paul give us any timing information in his passage in 1 Thessalonians? Certainly he does. Paul tells us that the rapture will come just before and probably as the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord. In other words, "time" will be "church age" - "Day of the Lord" as back to back events with no time between.
"(First Resurrection in Revelation ch 20)" You wrote this phrase after quoting 1 Thes. 4:13-18. Here is another example, this time of John's writing, where more study is needed. Can you use simple logic? There are, every and forever, only TWO (2) resurrections listed in Rev. 20. The "second death" resurrection is for those who have been existing in hell. It should be abundantly clear that Jesus' resurrection would not "fit" in the second death resurrection. Therefore, since there is only one other alternative, His resurrection must fit in the chief of resurrections.
"First:"
Lexicon :: Strong's G4413 - prōtos
1. first in time or place
2. first in rank, influence, honor, chief
Since Jesus' resurrection must fit in this primary or chief of resurrections, we can easily see that this Greek word is better translated here as chief or first in honor. In other words, it is not talking about first in sequence or time.
The truth of scripture is that this primary or chief of resurrections is for all the righteous of all time, Jesus first, then the church, then the 144,000, then the beheaded.
Does Paul give us any timing information in his passage in 1 Thessalonians? Certainly he does. Paul tells us that the rapture will come just before and probably as the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord. In other words, "time" will be "church age" - "Day of the Lord" as back to back events with no time between.
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