How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[peldom10]

I can go along with that, but as long as Satan is on the loose, He is not ruling this earth! But only in the hearts of the believers.

Sure He's in control of all things, but not ruling over man placing in subjection to His will, that is yet to come.

Satan is ....not........ in control of all things.
Satan is allowed to do that which conforms with God's plan.
No more.
That conclusion is reached with study of the Bible which is confirmed with a study of the book of Job, et al.

 

[DavidTree]

Satan is ....not........ in control of all things.
Satan is allowed to do that which conforms with God;s plan.
No more.
That conclusion is reached with study of the Bible which is confirmed with a study of the book of Job, et al.

YES - AGREE - and the Book of Job clearly demonstrates this concerning those who belong to God = Job.

 

[iTheophilus]

What do you guys do when you see israel judged by other nations.

God using other nations to judge and carry out his anger?

We get out!

Luke 21:20 "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand…Jesus was quoting from Daniel 9:27.

Daniel 9:27 "And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.' "

Luke 21:21 "Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

 

[peldom10]

I was being emphatic. Not critical.
Just trying to get your attention of God's words. They are not mine. I only rely on scriptures and rarely...if ever...offer my own philosophical opinion.

 

[Charlie24]

Satan is ....not........ in control of all things.
Satan is allowed to do that which conforms with God;s plan.
No more.
That conclusion is reached with study of the Bible which is confirmed with a study of the book of Job, et al.

Of course Satan in not in control! But he is ruling this earth through the unbelievers! Just look around and see where the believer stands in this world. We are being silenced and looked down on by the world, and it's only going to get worse for us!

If you think for one second that Satan is not ruling this earth at present, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[peldom10]

Evil entities sent from heaven.

What do you guys do when you see israel judged by other nations.

God using other nations to judge and carry out his anger?

So correct. God' will use all elements of this world to achieve His plan....as He sees fit. Righteously.

 

[peldom10]

Of course Satan in not in control! But he is ruling this earth through the unbelievers! Just look around and see where the believer stands in this world. We are being silenced and looked down on by the world, and it's only going to get worse for us!

If you think for one second that Satan is not ruling this earth at present, you are sadly mistaken.

Wrong.
What we are seeing is God's gradual releasing of satan to full fill God's plan..whatever He want's satan to contribute to events. Satan is restrained by our Comforter...The Holy Spirit...who will be removed from this earth during the trib. period allowing satan increased authority on the earth per God's stated plan. Even then he is restrained by not being allowed to hinder the safety of 144000 jews.
In the middle of the week.....i believe the Bible states. Then Christ returns...2nd advent...and removes satan......totally restraining him for Christs' 1000 year reign on this earth.

 

[Charlie24]

Wrong.
What we are seeing is God's gradual releasing of satan to full fill God's plan..whatever He want's satan to contribute to events. Satan is restrained by our Comforter...The Holy Spirit...who will be removed from this earth during the trib. period allowing satan to become temporary ruler of the earth per God's stated plan. In the middle of the week.....i believe the Bible states. Then Christ returns...2nd advent...and removes satan......totally restraining himfor Christs' 1000 year reign on this earth.

I see Satan in charge of this earth in the present, this is given to him by God for God's plan, Satan has taken nothing that God hasn't allowed him to have.

But Satan is certainly in charge until he has accomplished what God allows him to accomplish, which is preparing His Christ for the throne of David!

 

[peldom10]

timed out...re stated...

....144000 Jews, in the middle of the week...i believe the Bible states.
Then Christ returns............

 

[peldom10]

I see Satan in charge of this earth in the present, this is given to him by God for God's plan, Satan has taken nothing that God hasn't allowed him to have.

But Satan is certainly in charge until he has accomplished what God allows him to accomplish, which is preparing His Christ for the throne of David!

Satan does not have to be king of this earth to contribute to occurrences. God has that power to have satan do as God wants per His, God's plan.
We must not forget that Christ is.... King Of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[peldom10]

Of course Satan in not in control! But he is ruling this earth through the unbelievers! Just look around and see where the believer stands in this world. We are being silenced and looked down on by the world, and it's only going to get worse for us!

If you think for one second that Satan is not ruling this earth at present, you are sadly mistaken.

That is not a King ruling. Part of the reason the Bible says satan is prince of this world. Get it...a prince is ruled by the King.
That is a performer per God's word. A whole different element.

 

[Runningman]

If we take the scripture literally concerning these things, as we should, there is no call for spiritualizing the lake of fire, it would be in the core of the earth. In scripture terms, "beneath."

When there isn't a clear reason to interpret something literally then a symbolic or spiritual interpretation is better suited. That is not bad hermeneutics as the Bible is packed with spiritual concepts.

For example, you have the lake of fire literally on earth where goats are sent to their second death. Do you agree the second death is literal? As in, there is no such thing as eternal conscious torment for those who have been literally put to death a second time after being resurrected?

 

[Charlie24]

Satan does not have to be king of this earth to contribute to occurrences. God has that power to have satan do as God wants per His, God's plan.
We must not forget that Christ is.... King Of Kings and Lord of Lords.

A repeat of what I just said!

 

[Charlie24]

When there isn't a clear reason to interpret something literally then a symbolic or spiritual interpretation is better suited. That is not bad hermeneutics as the Bible is packed with spiritual concepts.

For example, you have the lake of fire literally on earth where goats are sent to their second death. Do you agree the second death is literal? As in, there is no such thing as eternal conscious torment for those who have been literally put to death a second time after being resurrected?

Yes, there are some who skip the truth and spiritualize what they see fit to form a presumed account of scripture.

 

[Runningman]

....and yet mat 25 vividly, vividly depicts half left behind.AT THE RAPTURE PRETRIB.

We see in the same breath , Jesus depicts half left behind in mat 24 and says "watch and be ready"

It seems impossible to miss.

It's vivid in your mind because you're projecting. You're seeing something you want to exist and when you see something that seems to confirm it you believe it.

For example, you believe in the pre-trib rapture and want that to be true. You're viewing the Bible through a kind of lens rather than just letting the Bible speak for itself. That can be difficult to overcome after decades of conditioning so I understand. None of us are perfect, but do try to resist the temptation to reject the overwhelming evidence against your false pre-trib doctrine.

It's better to be wrong and correct it than to know you're wrong and keep a false narrative going just to score fake internet points with your pre-trib buddies. You have your reward from your constituents for straying true to what you believe, but your reward won't be praise from God for being a champion of truth.

 

[Charlie24]

timed out...re stated...

....144000 Jews, in the middle of the week...i believe the Bible states.
Then Christ returns............

When you try to align the order of events according to seals, trumpets, and bowls, the sky is the limit to the many interpretations man can devise.

 

[Runningman]

When you try to align the order of events according to seals, trumpets, and bowls, the sky is the limit to the many interpretations man can devise.

Yeah. Revelation is not chronological which is a point that I see pre-tribbers often disagree with. Do you see Revelation as chronological?

 

[Charlie24]

Yeah. Revelation is not chronological which is a point that I see pre-tribbers often disagree with. Do you see Revelation as chronological?

I certainly do, with several overlaps!

 

[Laura798]

Dear Sister, our God has been ruling since Eternity. If the LORD was not ruling His Kingdom no one could be saved.

There was never a moment that the LORD was not in ALL Authority, Power and Control.

It is here on earth that man fell under the power of satan, sin and death.
This is why the LORD said to Pontius Pilate "My Kingdom is not of this world".
At the same time the WORD says "The earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein."
Again = "This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool.

At the same time there is the ruling authority of satan and his angels.
Satan is NOT locked up in prison - nor is he bound from roaming this earth and causing devastation and harm.

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world." 1 Peter 5

"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them." 2 Cor 4:4

Satan is here on earth, he is not locked up yet = Acts 5:3
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

The Apostle Paul said this concerning someone in the Lord who was in great sin: "hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord."

Satan is currently not locked up - "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you." Romans 16:20

Dear Sister, embrace ALL of the Word of Truth and you will have greater understanding - PEACE

Im not sure what point your addressing— ive previously said he still has power to do evil, however he was figuratively bound at the cross when Christ defeated sin and death for all time!

 

[Charlie24]

Im not sure what point your addressing— ive previously said he still has power to do evil, however he was figuratively bound at the cross when Christ defeated sin and death for all time!

Satan has always been limited as to what he can do! In fact, we learn in the book of Job that he has to get permission from God to do anything, especially what he can do to a believer!

But look around to what is happening in this world and tell me who reigning on this earth, Christ or Satan?

Of course God's will is taking place, Jesus told us in Matt. 24, don't worry about these things taking place, for these things must come to pass. Jesus is telling us that Satan running wild on earth through evil men is the will of God to bring about the timing of God's plan for the world.

So you see, God is in complete control, but Satan is running wild doing what he does to prepare the world for the end when God wrap up His plan for man on this earth.