No not saying that at all. Christ says come and follow me, not follow the sabbath. Since Christ is not here, we must follow him in spirit, not by the observance of laws.
How to keep the Sabbath.
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No not saying that at all. Christ says come and follow me, not follow the sabbath. Since Christ is not here, we must follow him in spirit, not by the observance of laws.
Problem with that is it goes DIRECTLY against Scripture:
Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Instructions which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."
Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
the WORDS He speaks are not the, and, or, etc they are HIS INSTRUCTIONS, and He says to follow the Law of Yahweh:
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."
"The Sabbath is LOVE" - http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81019-how-know-if-you-sealed-5.html#post1327463
"Sabbath and holy spirit are one" - http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81019-how-know-if-you-sealed.html#post1327319
ok, I do think the Sabbath is love, I will tell you why:
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
IT IS LOVE FOR YAH, and SABBATH done properly, after the manner in which Yahshua showed us, we would be also loving our fellow man.
Now the other post Sabbath and Holy Spirit, I dont think they are "physically" one but none really can quantify what the Holy Spirit is, I will say 100% I know the 7th day Sabbath that Yahweh ordained is 100% in line with the Spirit of Yahweh, after all it was ordained by Yahweh, He wont do something in opposition to Himself.
when we look at Isayah 59:21 and Yahchanan 6:63 we see that any words, Laws, Instruction whatever you want to call them that have ever and will ever proceed out of the mouth of Yahweh or Yahshua are SPIRIT, and only Holy comes from their mouths.
however, we can not quantify Yahweh of the things of Yahweh with our simple and finite minds, to do so is error, all we can do is go from what the Scriptures tell us.
The fruit of the Spirit is first in the Old Testament. The reason that there is no law against it is because the giver of the Law gives the fruit. God is not against Himself, or the law He gave.
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The reason that there is no law against the “fruit of the Spirit” is because it is the law and the prophets. These nine attributes are defined as a single fruit.
Matthew 12:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
The disciples who walked directly with Jesus didn't have a full understanding immediately, and gaining understanding in order to walk in the truth was and is imperative.
[h=4]John 16:12-13[/h]12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
As we continue in ALL of the word, and grow and mature, I believe that we are given more as we are able to bear it and to walk in it, and it's out with the old leaven, and in with the new. So I end this book with the New Testament “fruit of the Spirit.” Was this fruit something endorsed in the Epistles only, or was it God’s will from the beginning? Here’s your answer.
Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
1 Kings 1:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.
Isaiah 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Exodus 18:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Leviticus 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.
Exodus 34:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
2 Samuel 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great.
Faith is/was ordained as an Old Testament principle to be kept as a priority in the New Testament.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Psalm 45:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Temperance is self-control as in “not to covet,” or “being drunk” “gluttonous” and so on. It is exhortation of the fruit of the spirit that I endorsed in the only negative, for covet is an attribute of the carnal, and the opposite is the attribute of the Lord’s Holy Spirit
Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 21:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
We would never dream of stoning our own children for being drunk, or rebellious today, but we must still recognize this spiritual aspect. Any loving parent would desire to destroy those actions before they destroy their children. That’s what Jesus has done. God’s love wants us to be separated from those transgressions that separate us from Him. Parents that truly love their children will have the same desire.
Isaiah 32:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
When we study the Mosaic Law we should concentrate on the spiritual meanings, relating those ordinances to the fulfillment of all things through Christ. If the law is spiritual, as Paul said, then we should always be searching for the spiritual meaning. Some will be confrontational saying that Christians need to make a choice between Paul and Moses. They were both called to do God's will in the time sequence God had determined. Why fight about what part of the Word of God is negated when none of it is? If God wanted it to be invalid, He wouldn't have preserved it. If one is going to follow Paul instead of Moses, then they should quit endorsing the Law in the physical realm, rather than the spiritual, because they actually are contradicting the very teachings from the man that they say they are following.
It's the carnal mind that concentrates on carnal thoughts, convincing itself of a righteousness that can be found in less than 100% of God. This frame of mind actually believes in itself as being more righteous than the Pharisees because they have determined the Mosaic Law as invalid, extinct, and negated through Christ. There is a rhetorical question that we should ask ourselves. Does the strength of the law expose the weakness of the flesh, or does the strength of the salvation expose the weakness of the law? One cannot have it both ways.
Romans 8:3-7 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
"the holy spirit is the Sabbath" - http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/81019-how-know-if-you-sealed-5.html#post1327302
The sabbath was created. It is not love. Making a created thing to be GOD is idolatry.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 1 John 4:16
one you cut out my explanation,
and you are the most dishonest person I have come in regular contact with on this website.
Either you dont understand Scripture at all or you are a deciever.
Is it love to help your neighbor?
is it love to feed the poor?
is it love to give you life for fellow believers?
is it idolatry to call those things love?
you are vile.
here is my prior quote so to avoid anyone latching on to you slander.
ok, I do think the Sabbath is love, I will tell you why:
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
IT IS LOVE FOR YAH, and SABBATH done properly, after the manner in which Yahshua showed us, we would be also loving our fellow man.
Herose I also want to say you can really tell someones fruits when they do things like this repeatedly and never once say they are wrong or sorry or anything, just run along and then come back and do it again.
Im sorry, you and I disagree on much but you really disgust me right now, I dont want to feel like this, we are both supposed to be followers of Messiah.
Im sorry, you and I disagree on much but you really disgust me right now, I dont want to feel like this, we are both supposed to be followers of Messiah.
And I haven't found that the ignore law obsessed people ever give witness to the beauty of the law, altho I find that people balanced enough to read all of scripture give witness over and over to Christ.
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Not everyone here is a follower of Messiah, their words do give them away.
Hizikyah, Your patience and perseverance and love that you have faithfully shown , and others here as well, is for the world to see. Take heart and be encouraged, for it is through your efforts that some see the stark contrast. And it is stark!
The deceiver has deceived himself in thinking that he is more clever than Jesus, that he can use Jesus words against Jesus!
The ignore button is useful when you do realize some here have an agenda much different from your own.
Jesus said to shake off the dust from your feet when you are not received.
Originally Posted by WomanLovesTX
Well, I kept studying the Word and after 4 years sought out a Messianic Jewish group in San Antonio, where I was living at that time.
Act 11:26 (CJB) and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. They met with the congregation there for a whole year and taught a sizeable crowd. Also it was in Antioch that the talmidim for the first time were called "Messianic."
Act 11:26 (KJV) And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
I'm not really sure what your question is asking. So forgive me If I am guessing wrong.
I believe the Hebrew word for Messiah is mâshı̂yach and the Greek word for Christ is Christos.
G5547
Χριστός
Christos
khris-tos'
From G5548; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: - Christ.
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משׁיח
mâshı̂yach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.
The reason I sought out a Messianic Jewish fellowship was because they come together on the Sabbath to read the Torah. I like that they use the Hebrew name "Yeshua".
Also, I read in scripture Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
I am not Jewish, but since I have believed that the Ten Commandments were not made void and are still in effect, I didn't know where else to go for a Sabbath meeting.
The Messianic Jews are awesome people. They love Yeshua and His Word. They have some traditions that are not commanded by God, but they are comfortable with them since they grew up with them.
Does that answer your question?