How To Steal A Presidential Election...
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jimmydiggs
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Heh I liked Ron Paul myself and even voted for him in the 2008 and 2012 Primaries.
It is no doubt true that the media and both the Democrat and GOP establishment pretty much smeared him with lies and heavy political machinery. Considerring the disgraceful GOP even refused to let his paltry number of delegates announce their votes, and even reports of his delegates being detained, it is no doubt the GOP, the Democrat Party, and the current American system are crooked.
However, being a long time fan and avid watcher of American Politics I do have to say Ron Paul simply didn't have a chance to win from the get go, political hit-job or no. See you gotta understand, the average American voter is not exactly intelligent. After all the GOP did pick Mitt Romney, the candidate most comparable to Obama by record and rhetoric out of their field to run a campaign against Obama (lol!)
Ron Paul is also not a perfect politician, he was merely one of the better choices that was not chosen (I personally also liked Huntsman, but he dropped out before my state, Ohio, voted in Primaries.) However, by persecuting and smearing him the GOP, media, and American Political system as a whole did expose it's own corruption and failures, so we can learn many lessons from this. Also if there is one lesson to be learned from Ron Paul himself, consider his peaceful and graceful exit from politics. It is important to remember the disgraceful way the Political System treated Ron Paul, BUT it is also important to remember Ron Paul did not condemn America, nor call for revolt, for losing the election, but rather opened the door for Reconciliation.
In the end though politics can only go so far and do so much in this messed up World. So it is important we try to persevere and understand our leaders are not maniacal evil geniuses, nor are they steadfast saints. They are just humans with serious human failings and even circumstances in the outside World make things difficult for even the best of leaders.
It is no doubt true that the media and both the Democrat and GOP establishment pretty much smeared him with lies and heavy political machinery. Considerring the disgraceful GOP even refused to let his paltry number of delegates announce their votes, and even reports of his delegates being detained, it is no doubt the GOP, the Democrat Party, and the current American system are crooked.
However, being a long time fan and avid watcher of American Politics I do have to say Ron Paul simply didn't have a chance to win from the get go, political hit-job or no. See you gotta understand, the average American voter is not exactly intelligent. After all the GOP did pick Mitt Romney, the candidate most comparable to Obama by record and rhetoric out of their field to run a campaign against Obama (lol!)
Ron Paul is also not a perfect politician, he was merely one of the better choices that was not chosen (I personally also liked Huntsman, but he dropped out before my state, Ohio, voted in Primaries.) However, by persecuting and smearing him the GOP, media, and American Political system as a whole did expose it's own corruption and failures, so we can learn many lessons from this. Also if there is one lesson to be learned from Ron Paul himself, consider his peaceful and graceful exit from politics. It is important to remember the disgraceful way the Political System treated Ron Paul, BUT it is also important to remember Ron Paul did not condemn America, nor call for revolt, for losing the election, but rather opened the door for Reconciliation.
In the end though politics can only go so far and do so much in this messed up World. So it is important we try to persevere and understand our leaders are not maniacal evil geniuses, nor are they steadfast saints. They are just humans with serious human failings and even circumstances in the outside World make things difficult for even the best of leaders.
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RachelBibleStudent
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the ron paul campaign tried to cheat in the republican primary so...what goes around comes around...
he wasn't even fit to be a janitor in the white house anyway...but his supporters never do their homework...
he wasn't even fit to be a janitor in the white house anyway...but his supporters never do their homework...
Outsourcing and Janitorial Credentials?
Consider the source of articles written and their motives? Digging deeper into the who, what, or why, can often be tedious and unpleasant at best. If it takes more than 5 minutes of one's time, the length of most people's attention span these days, it's not really worth researching. This is what I found in 5 minutes...my attention span isn't what it used to be.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/repu...ing-the-message-from-missouri/235200579912454
Ron Paul Wins By Cheating: The Message From Missouri
Lie, Cheat, and Steal - It's the Ron Paul Way! - First Principles
Janitorial Credentials?
Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Paul earned a Doctor of Medicine degree from Duke University's School of Medicine in 1961, and completed his medical internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and his residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh. Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and then in the United States Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968. Paul and his wife then relocated to Texas, where he began a private practice in obstetrics and gynecology.
Outsourcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In business, outsourcing is the contracting out of a business process to a third-party. The term "outsourcing" became popular in the United States near the turn of the 21st century. Outsourcing sometimes involves transferring employees and assets from one firm to another, but not always. Outsourcing is also used to describe the practice of handing over control of public services to for-profit corporations.
Consider the source of articles written and their motives? Digging deeper into the who, what, or why, can often be tedious and unpleasant at best. If it takes more than 5 minutes of one's time, the length of most people's attention span these days, it's not really worth researching. This is what I found in 5 minutes...my attention span isn't what it used to be.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/repu...ing-the-message-from-missouri/235200579912454
Ron Paul Wins By Cheating: The Message From Missouri
Lie, Cheat, and Steal - It's the Ron Paul Way! - First Principles
Janitorial Credentials?
Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Paul earned a Doctor of Medicine degree from Duke University's School of Medicine in 1961, and completed his medical internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and his residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh. Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and then in the United States Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968. Paul and his wife then relocated to Texas, where he began a private practice in obstetrics and gynecology.
Outsourcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In business, outsourcing is the contracting out of a business process to a third-party. The term "outsourcing" became popular in the United States near the turn of the 21st century. Outsourcing sometimes involves transferring employees and assets from one firm to another, but not always. Outsourcing is also used to describe the practice of handing over control of public services to for-profit corporations.
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Married_Richenbrachen
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Re: Outsourcing and Janitorial Credentials?
Discussing article sources and motives with a coincidence theorist is like explaining the intricacies of peanut production and logistics to a monkey.
Remember Pox, when dealing with coincidence theorists, its not the facts he'll defend, but the story that presents the least resistance to his prevailing mythology.
Discussing article sources and motives with a coincidence theorist is like explaining the intricacies of peanut production and logistics to a monkey.
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RachelBibleStudent
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Re: Outsourcing and Janitorial Credentials?
during the campaign i was reading actual conversations by ron paul operatives on their own websites...where they were plotting and brainstorming ways of stealing primary elections and especially caucuses by deception...
and ron paul wasn't fit for political office because he didn't understand a thing about the constitution or the issues...and moreover like most libertarians he was morally challenged...
during the campaign i was reading actual conversations by ron paul operatives on their own websites...where they were plotting and brainstorming ways of stealing primary elections and especially caucuses by deception...
and ron paul wasn't fit for political office because he didn't understand a thing about the constitution or the issues...and moreover like most libertarians he was morally challenged...
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RachelBibleStudent
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Re: Outsourcing and Janitorial Credentials?
this of course is coming from a person who had to have the most basic and easily observed facts about the moon explained to him...
conspiracy new agers could at least try to make their projection slightly less ironic...
this of course is coming from a person who had to have the most basic and easily observed facts about the moon explained to him...
conspiracy new agers could at least try to make their projection slightly less ironic...
Strategy, Tragedy, or Stragedy?
Strategy?
Ron Paul Caucus Strategy: The View From Inside Is Looking Up
Ron Paul May Have Secretly Won The Iowa Caucuses - Business Insider
"DES MOINES — Ron Paul may have officially come in third tonight, but if the campaign's caucus strategy went off as planned, then Paul may actually be the real winner of the first Republican voting contest.
That's because Paul's massive organizational push in Iowa focused on both winning votes, and also on making sure that Paul supporters stuck around after the vote to make sure they were selected as county delegates — the first step towards being elected as a delegate to the Republican National Convention.
That's because Iowa's Republican caucuses are non-binding — they are technically just a straw poll, so once selected, delegates are free to vote for whichever presidential candidate they choose.
"Part of what we've been training the Ron Paul people to do is not to leave after the vote," Dan Godzich, a senior campaign advisor, told BI. "Stay and get elected to the conventions and get us those delegates."
Godzich and Sydney Hay, another Paul advisor, crisscrossed Iowa in the weeks leading up to the caucuses, making sure precinct leaders knew what to do and organizing slates of delegates that would ensure Paul walked away with a strong majority, even if he lost the caucus' straw poll vote.
By the eve of Election Day, Hay said she was confident that Paul would come away from Iowa with a strong majority of the state's delegates. It's a good first step toward making sure that Paul has a strong presence on the floor in Tampa this summer — something that his supporters believe will help force the Republican party to start reckoning with their Movement."
Tragedy?
The Great Ron Paul Caucus Strategy Fizzles into Failure—David Frum - The Daily Beast
How Ron Paul's Minions Plan to Hijack the GOP Convention—David Frum - The Daily Beast
Ron Paul delegate strategy is perfectly legitimate | Washington Times Communities
"TAMPA, May 3, 2012 – For at least a month, the media have been ignoring compelling evidence that Ron Paul is doing much better in the Republican nomination race than he did in the primary/caucus popular votes. In their hurry to write the general election narrative, the media have forgotten to perform their primary function: to report the facts. The facts are that Ron Paul has won at least two states and will likely win more.
Now that Paul’s success is impossible to ignore, the media are writing a new narrative. Headlines like “Ron Paul’s stealth state convention takeover” and “Ron Paul People Playing Mischief with Delegates” indicate that instead of ignoring Paul’s victories, they now seek to imply that there is something sneaky or unfair about them. Some even suggest that his delegate success in states where he did not win the popular vote may even (gasp!) “undermine democracy.”
Undermining democracy would be a good thing. If there is anything we have too much of in 21st century America; it’s democracy. The United States flourished as a free and prosperous society largely because it was founded as a republic. The reason for the bicameral legislature, the separation of powers, and the other so-called “checks and balances” was to protect us from democracy, which James Madison called “the most vile form of government.”
Based upon the belief that government “even in its best state, is but a necessary evil,” the American republic was built to check the will of the majority whenever it wished to confer more power on the government. That’s why there are two houses in Congress. In a democracy, there would be only one. Even after the House passes a law, it then has to pass the Senate, which originally represented the state governments, not the people. The 17th Amendment removed this important check on the power of the federal government.
Even after passing both houses of Congress, a law has to represent exercise of one of the few powers granted to the legislature in the Constitution. If it does not, it can be struck down regardless of the wishes of the majority. If the people want to give the government a new power, they have to complete an even more difficult constitutional amendment process.
That’s how it is supposed to work. That we ignore the Constitution and instead function virtually as a pure democracy is why we have a bankrupt government that spends almost $4 trillion a year and regulates everything from the food we eat to the amount of water in our toilets.
In our republic, passing laws, levying taxes, and conferring power are supposed to be difficult. So is the electoral process. It’s not supposed to be easy to elect someone. It’s supposed to be very hard. In a pure democracy, it’s easy and the individual is at the mercy of the demagogue and the mob, which can trample his liberty and loot his wealth at its whim. Republican government attempts to protect us from this.
It also attempts to protect us from voter ignorance. Anthony Gregory reports that polls have shown 71% of Americans believe that Iran already has nuclear weapons, “just as 70 percent of Americans polled once thought Saddam was behind 9/11, though Bush never made this claim.” These Americans vote for presidents and congresses that will take us to war based upon these misconceptions.
Often, voter ignorance of the candidates and issues is even worse.
Ron Paul’s strategy takes advantage of the republican nature of the nomination process. That process does not rely purely on a popular vote to determine who will be the nominee. Instead, voters must go through a multi-tiered vetting process of successive elections in order to become a delegate to the RNC.
This does not remove all of the dangers inherent in a pure democracy, but it helps. At least a delegate has been forced to hear the arguments of other candidates before blindly casting a vote. He also must have the commitment necessary to endure the long delegate selection process.
That the process is republican rather than democratic does not disenfranchise anyone. Everyone has an equal opportunity to become a delegate. Everyone has an equal opportunity to read the rules. That supporters of some candidates choose not to go through the process does not “nullify their wishes.” That they choose not to become informed on how candidates are actually nominated does not represent a deception. On the contrary, the whole process is intentionally designed to ensure that uninformed or uncommitted people do not directly choose the nominee.
Neither is Paul’s strategy underhanded or “sneaky.” He has made it clear since the beginning of his campaign that he was going to concentrate on the caucus states where he believed that his strong grassroots organization and more devoted following would win him delegates. He predicted his delegate victories in states where he did not win the popular vote months in advance and now those predictions are coming true. How can anyone say that they didn’t know what was going on?
Early in this election cycle, the media repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul could not win the nomination. That affected his performance in popular votes. They never suggested this about any of the other nine candidates, eight of which are now out. Then, they repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul had not won any states, even though he had. Now, they attempt to cast aspersions on those wins with spurious arguments about their legitimacy.
Methinks the media doth protest too much. What about Ron Paul are they so afraid of?"
Stragedy?
Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Strategy?
Ron Paul Caucus Strategy: The View From Inside Is Looking Up
Ron Paul May Have Secretly Won The Iowa Caucuses - Business Insider
"DES MOINES — Ron Paul may have officially come in third tonight, but if the campaign's caucus strategy went off as planned, then Paul may actually be the real winner of the first Republican voting contest.
That's because Paul's massive organizational push in Iowa focused on both winning votes, and also on making sure that Paul supporters stuck around after the vote to make sure they were selected as county delegates — the first step towards being elected as a delegate to the Republican National Convention.
That's because Iowa's Republican caucuses are non-binding — they are technically just a straw poll, so once selected, delegates are free to vote for whichever presidential candidate they choose.
"Part of what we've been training the Ron Paul people to do is not to leave after the vote," Dan Godzich, a senior campaign advisor, told BI. "Stay and get elected to the conventions and get us those delegates."
Godzich and Sydney Hay, another Paul advisor, crisscrossed Iowa in the weeks leading up to the caucuses, making sure precinct leaders knew what to do and organizing slates of delegates that would ensure Paul walked away with a strong majority, even if he lost the caucus' straw poll vote.
By the eve of Election Day, Hay said she was confident that Paul would come away from Iowa with a strong majority of the state's delegates. It's a good first step toward making sure that Paul has a strong presence on the floor in Tampa this summer — something that his supporters believe will help force the Republican party to start reckoning with their Movement."
Tragedy?
The Great Ron Paul Caucus Strategy Fizzles into Failure—David Frum - The Daily Beast
How Ron Paul's Minions Plan to Hijack the GOP Convention—David Frum - The Daily Beast
Ron Paul delegate strategy is perfectly legitimate | Washington Times Communities
"TAMPA, May 3, 2012 – For at least a month, the media have been ignoring compelling evidence that Ron Paul is doing much better in the Republican nomination race than he did in the primary/caucus popular votes. In their hurry to write the general election narrative, the media have forgotten to perform their primary function: to report the facts. The facts are that Ron Paul has won at least two states and will likely win more.
Now that Paul’s success is impossible to ignore, the media are writing a new narrative. Headlines like “Ron Paul’s stealth state convention takeover” and “Ron Paul People Playing Mischief with Delegates” indicate that instead of ignoring Paul’s victories, they now seek to imply that there is something sneaky or unfair about them. Some even suggest that his delegate success in states where he did not win the popular vote may even (gasp!) “undermine democracy.”
Undermining democracy would be a good thing. If there is anything we have too much of in 21st century America; it’s democracy. The United States flourished as a free and prosperous society largely because it was founded as a republic. The reason for the bicameral legislature, the separation of powers, and the other so-called “checks and balances” was to protect us from democracy, which James Madison called “the most vile form of government.”
Based upon the belief that government “even in its best state, is but a necessary evil,” the American republic was built to check the will of the majority whenever it wished to confer more power on the government. That’s why there are two houses in Congress. In a democracy, there would be only one. Even after the House passes a law, it then has to pass the Senate, which originally represented the state governments, not the people. The 17th Amendment removed this important check on the power of the federal government.
Even after passing both houses of Congress, a law has to represent exercise of one of the few powers granted to the legislature in the Constitution. If it does not, it can be struck down regardless of the wishes of the majority. If the people want to give the government a new power, they have to complete an even more difficult constitutional amendment process.
That’s how it is supposed to work. That we ignore the Constitution and instead function virtually as a pure democracy is why we have a bankrupt government that spends almost $4 trillion a year and regulates everything from the food we eat to the amount of water in our toilets.
In our republic, passing laws, levying taxes, and conferring power are supposed to be difficult. So is the electoral process. It’s not supposed to be easy to elect someone. It’s supposed to be very hard. In a pure democracy, it’s easy and the individual is at the mercy of the demagogue and the mob, which can trample his liberty and loot his wealth at its whim. Republican government attempts to protect us from this.
It also attempts to protect us from voter ignorance. Anthony Gregory reports that polls have shown 71% of Americans believe that Iran already has nuclear weapons, “just as 70 percent of Americans polled once thought Saddam was behind 9/11, though Bush never made this claim.” These Americans vote for presidents and congresses that will take us to war based upon these misconceptions.
Often, voter ignorance of the candidates and issues is even worse.
Ron Paul’s strategy takes advantage of the republican nature of the nomination process. That process does not rely purely on a popular vote to determine who will be the nominee. Instead, voters must go through a multi-tiered vetting process of successive elections in order to become a delegate to the RNC.
This does not remove all of the dangers inherent in a pure democracy, but it helps. At least a delegate has been forced to hear the arguments of other candidates before blindly casting a vote. He also must have the commitment necessary to endure the long delegate selection process.
That the process is republican rather than democratic does not disenfranchise anyone. Everyone has an equal opportunity to become a delegate. Everyone has an equal opportunity to read the rules. That supporters of some candidates choose not to go through the process does not “nullify their wishes.” That they choose not to become informed on how candidates are actually nominated does not represent a deception. On the contrary, the whole process is intentionally designed to ensure that uninformed or uncommitted people do not directly choose the nominee.
Neither is Paul’s strategy underhanded or “sneaky.” He has made it clear since the beginning of his campaign that he was going to concentrate on the caucus states where he believed that his strong grassroots organization and more devoted following would win him delegates. He predicted his delegate victories in states where he did not win the popular vote months in advance and now those predictions are coming true. How can anyone say that they didn’t know what was going on?
Early in this election cycle, the media repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul could not win the nomination. That affected his performance in popular votes. They never suggested this about any of the other nine candidates, eight of which are now out. Then, they repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul had not won any states, even though he had. Now, they attempt to cast aspersions on those wins with spurious arguments about their legitimacy.
Methinks the media doth protest too much. What about Ron Paul are they so afraid of?"
Stragedy?
Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
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Married_Richenbrachen
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Re: Outsourcing and Janitorial Credentials?
(One day, I hope to have access to the technology to determine for myself whether the moon's face changes from day to day... As stated in the other thread, with my bare eyes, the moon's face appears to change to me... But whatever the case, your steadfast opposition to all things politically incorrect is appreciated, as you do sometimes identify real inconsistencies).
Facts like the moon's light not giving heat, and both the sun and moon being visible during a lunar eclipse?
(One day, I hope to have access to the technology to determine for myself whether the moon's face changes from day to day... As stated in the other thread, with my bare eyes, the moon's face appears to change to me... But whatever the case, your steadfast opposition to all things politically incorrect is appreciated, as you do sometimes identify real inconsistencies).
Re: Outsourcing and Janitorial Credentials?
someone should have mentioned that during the last 35 years he's been serving as an elected representative
to be fair tho, the same can am sure be said of a majority of current office holders.
someone should have mentioned that during the last 35 years he's been serving as an elected representative
to be fair tho, the same can am sure be said of a majority of current office holders.
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tripsin
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Married_Richenbrachen
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I understand it was happening before him. George and the 911 paranoia (airport strip-downs etc.) The other George and murder of the Davidians in Texas... The very continued existence of the (unaccountable) CIA... Etc.
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tripsin
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True - but - it has gotten a lot worse under the Obama Administration. And the main issue behind many of the changes under this admin has to do with religious freedom. Without question.
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really? Benghazi, NSA activity that has been going on for 70+ years and was only now exposed, the healthcare act, the moratorium on drilling after the gulf disaster, the do-nothing congress & the ongoing budget debacle, immigration, states voting to recognize gay marriage, super-pac reform, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, ending the Iraq and Afghanastan wars --
that was all "clearly" about religious freedom?
faux news has really done a number on you, friend.
listen:
when any political party or unabashedly politically biased media outlet claims to be the 'voice of conservative christianity,'
don't believe them.
poison, propaganda and lies follow right after.
you may not like the president much, but the GOP and its mouthpieces are nothing but snakes either.
I guess we are dancing around the core issue in this thread. People are being fed what to think. The media and movie industry are all owned by a group of people with similar goals. You don't need me to help you blow your nose. Go google "who owns the media" and "who owns hollywood". Closed minded people can watch this for inspiration. 
Sgt Schultz - Nothing - YouTube
Sgt Schultz - Nothing - YouTube