Hyper-grace the doctrine of cheaping Grace .

[CS1]

are you really going to quote Grace 777x70?

I don't get your point frankly

so far I'd say you are batting 100 with regards to who wants to argue. pit bull attitude going on IMO



that's NOT true

for one thing, mr Grace had some outrageous things to say...we used to pm so don't say I didn't know him

I didn't need a site or a book that was anti-HG except for the Bible. that was my main source for disagreement with the HG thing

mr G also posted prolifically from HG sites...teachers...I think your memory is being very selective

out of the mouth of two or more witnesses

 

[SophieT]

out of the mouth of two or more witnesses

well I remember all that happened and EG is not being accurate

 

[CS1]

well I remember all that happened and EG is not being accurate

I agree I was pulled into HG through the vast amounts of PMs from those who are still here today asking begging to have those stop highjacking threads. NOt one of my responses in the past thread was for or against hg until now why? Because of the great error of many preachers on tv and on the web that is unbiblical.

 

[SophieT]

I agree I was pulled into HG through the vast amounts of PMs from those who are still here today asking begging to have those stop highjacking threads. NOt one of my responses in the past thread was for or against hg until now why? Because of the great error of many preachers on tv and on the web that is unbiblical.

yeah

alot of people wanted it all to stop...myself for sure. some of the things being said by a certain someone were outrageous and that person became quite aggressive and was finally shown the door

I think some of the teaching of this 'doctrine' is pretty deceptive and people get sucked in and not understanding that ALL of the Bible is for our instruction and not some anecdotal rendition of life with Jesus but we don't worry too much about that now

a line was crossed and there was no going back

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Put my money where my mouth is? I need to repent why do I need to do that I'm not under the law but grace? Or is it only when one disagrees with you? How about you refute the Book I posted that you said you did not read then I will provide my experiences with those of hyper-grace in this setting that have said many things I have already quoted.

Hyper grace, WOF, Generational curses, and legalism are all teaching that is abusive to the full counsel of God.

you said in your experience

What experience?

Are you just going to make accusations again with no evidence?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no I have not you need to common down and stop being rude If you don't care about what My Thread says then move on. start your own thread on it

We have been here before my fiend, Remember, You said I was going to to be banned..

its not the first time this has been discussed

 

[SophieT]

"Satan despises balance with good reason. He understands that the right blend of joy and holiness, godliness, with contentment, faith and love, and wisdom and boldness all produce powerful and lasting results" ( pg80).

The devil takes the church to extremes no matter which one.

There is an example of revival. The devil will greatly oppose revival but when he can't stop it he will help develop and push extremes to take our eyes off OF GOD AND WHAT GOD IS DOING AND PLACE IT ON something like a single idea, or word or thought or teaching: Jezabel spirit, generational curses, Hyper grace.

" You should be suspicious of any movement that always talks about the same thing." " If you isolate a single truth to the exclusion of all others, you can turn it into a lie"

well call it coincidence or happenstance, but I had this conversation with someone today and he was saying the same things...with which I agreed

I also think the devil will always try to get ahead of God and force things to happen....I think we are seeing that going on right now in the world

but the person I was speaking to actually used the term 'pendulum as per the quote from the book

Now the pendulum has swung to another extreme, there is no balance!

kinda interesting IMO

 

[eternally-gratefull]

are you really going to quote Grace 777x70?

I don't get your point frankly

so far I'd say you are batting 100 with regards to who wants to argue. pit bull attitude going on IMO



that's NOT true

for one thing, mr Grace had some outrageous things to say...we used to pm so don't say I didn't know him

I didn't need a site or a book that was anti-HG except for the Bible. that was my main source for disagreement with the HG thing

mr G also posted prolifically from HG sites...teachers...I think your memory is being very selective

where is this coming from?

I claimed that this topic started along time ago by people using some book or person who is against hypergrace.

And I used the first three threads on this subject.

It has nothing to do with any person. I was proving my point

Which I proved very well thank you

My plint is this has been gone on before and the same things is happening again.

I made my point and proved it..

It was not about what Gracee777 said, It was what THOSE APPOSED TO HYPERGRACE DID AND SAID.

can you please try to read what is being said and stop jumping to conclusions.

Your right Grace777 did post from hypergrace teachers. He proved the anti hypergrace movement and what was being said about JP and others were false. By quoted from them.. Which is what I said earlier even in this thread.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yeah

alot of people wanted it all to stop...myself for sure. some of the things being said by a certain someone were outrageous and that person became quite aggressive and was finally shown the door

I think some of the teaching of this 'doctrine' is pretty deceptive and people get sucked in and not understanding that ALL of the Bible is for our instruction and not some anecdotal rendition of life with Jesus but we don't worry too much about that now

a line was crossed and there was no going back

Yet here we are going back again.

 

[SophieT]

We have been here before my fiend, Remember, You said I was going to to be banned..

its not the first time this has been discussed

and you tried to get me banned .... are you kidding? LOL!

I wish you would quit your personal feud and allow people to participate in a discussion but you seem to be trying to get the thread shut down or something

what's your point anyway? smh

 

[SophieT]

where is this coming from?

I claimed that this topic started along time ago by people using some book or person who is against hypergrace.

And I used the first three threads on this subject.

It has nothing to do with any person. I was proving my point

Which I proved very well thank you

My plint is this has been gone on before and the same things is happening again.

I made my point and proved it..

It was not about what Gracee777 said, It was what THOSE APPOSED TO HYPERGRACE DID AND SAID.

can you please try to read what is being said and stop jumping to conclusions.

Your right Grace777 did post from hypergrace teachers. He proved the anti hypergrace movement and what was being said about JP and others were false. By quoted from them.. Which is what I said earlier even in this thread.

I really do not want to discuss all this with you

YOU are the one making things go south here

you know, sorry, but I don't see the point you think you made. frankly, I think you are being outrageous

you might note the post before I responded here, I noted YOU tried to get ME banned...made threats against me and so on and said you would write the owner and make sure I was banned

I don't think you know yourself like you think you do...other people asked you to stop at that time but just like here, you just keep going and cannot quit

I'll quit for you. not responding to you further...it's of no use anyhow

 

[SophieT]

Your right Grace777 did post from hypergrace teachers. He proved the anti hypergrace movement and what was being said about JP and others were false. By quoted from them.. Which is what I said earlier even in this thread.

well one more thing

there is no truth to that quote above. Joseph Prince is off the wall with alot of what he has to say

I could say more...but really, it's enough. Grace was not very graceful towards the end. downright nasty in fact

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and you tried to get me banned .... are you kidding? LOL!

I wish you would quit your personal feud and allow people to participate in a discussion but you seem to be trying to get the thread shut down or something

what's your point anyway? smh

1. My point was that it is odd someone posts a thread on hypergrace when the same person posted that there would be no more of these threads alowed and how it is hypocritical. (I said I had no problem with this thread. I have a problem with the hypocrisy, if he wants this thread thats fine, But he should delete the other thread)

2. This is not a personal feud, I am tryign to expose the hypocrisy, and if someone is going to talk about a group of people. I want them to show proof. Not like happened a few years agao when the only proof was from people who were against the people they are arguing against.

3. I tried t get you banned?

 

[Nehemiah6]

My thoughts are that if they are not under the law then why are they still referring to sin as a transgression of the law?

Because in this case "the Law" means the Ten Commandments, and all sins are a transgression of those commandments. Hyper-Grace perverts and misrepresents the grace of God. Christians need to deal with their present sins, and this is quite clear in the Bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well one more thing

there is no truth to that quote above. Joseph Prince is off the wall with alot of what he has to say

I could say more...but really, it's enough. Grace was not very graceful towards the end. downright nasty in fact

He may be, I do not know any perfect teachers.

But Joseph prince does not teach what he is accused of teaching, of which THIS OP is accusing people who are like him of believing.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Joseph Prince is off the wall with alot of what he has to say

Correct. Joseph Prince is a leading false teacher of this movement, and he persists in his errors over and over again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because in this case "the Law" means the Ten Commandments, and all sins are a transgression of those commandments. Hyper-Grace perverts and misrepresents the grace of God. Christians need to deal with their present sins, and this is quite clear in the Bible.

Hypergrace teaches this.

They teach one should confess, and move on, Just like the Bible says.

This has been proven

 

[SophieT]

3. I tried t get you banned?

that's what I said. I don't know why that surprises you. you used to get after people and argue no end and I thought you had changed but whatever gene you carry that makes you do that, seems to have been re-activated

have a nice evening

 

[Nehemiah6]

But Joseph prince does not teach what he is accused of teaching,

When one can quote the exact words of Prince and show that they are not biblical, that should be enough. He does teach what he is accused of teaching and his own words bear witness to his nonsensical theology.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that's what I said. I don't know why that surprises you. you used to get after people and argue no end and I thought you had changed but whatever gene you carry that makes you do that, seems to have been re-activated

have a nice evening

Lol.. Well I do not remember that

And yes. When people make false accusations against others. I DO FIGHT TO NO END. Because I am fighting for the people being false accused.. Most of the time, it is myself.