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unelie

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Is Michael your God?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Yes we believe Michael is one of the names of Jesus, and Jesus is God, so does it answer your question?

(it's weird to say "Micheal is my God", for me it's similar to say "Emmanuel is my God", or *the Son of Man is my God", or "the Way is my God"... Technically true, but weird phrasing, but it's just my personal opinion)
 

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Remember the sabbath allow me to remember what truly matter : creation, redemption, equality, respect ...
Sorry, not "allow me", but rather "invites me", "encourages me", stuff like that.
 

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God rest on sabbath, which sabbath?

If God rest in Washington DC sabbath Indonesian sea must rest in Sunday because D.C. Sabah is Sunday in Jakarta it is 12 hour different

So if sabbath start Friday evening 7 pm D.C. Indonesian sabbath start 7 am Saturday end 7 am sunday
 

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To my knowledge sabbath is from sunset to sunset

What happen in alaska

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Even though it is the largest state in the US, Alaska's population is sparse. With 24-hour daylight during the summer months and 24-hour darkness during the winter, many people find Alaska to be a strange and mysterious place. Here are some debunked myths about the unusual daylight patterns of Alaska.

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So sabbath ther is 3 mounts in the summer and never in winter
 

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I agree with your estimation. Jesus was first recorded as seen on Sunday morning but that is not the same has having rose from the dead on Sunday. It could very well be that Jesus rose Saturday night.
Mark 16:9 says :

ESV Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

KJV Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


NASB Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.


every version and translation states "He" Jesus " Rose or Risen, past tense on the first day of the week. Which is Sunday :)
 

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I am sorry you met such SDAs, and you are right, many are just trying to do that.
Fortunately, this is not all of us, and I'm really learning quite a few things from non-Adventists Christians and even non-Christian, about life and about the Bible. It would be really insane if it was not so.
Yes I'm here to give and take 🙂
(since you mentioned her, Ellen White also supports this attitude)
You'll have to forgive me when I say I don't believe a word you say.
 
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I'm not sure I understand the question.
Yes we believe Michael is one of the names of Jesus, and Jesus is God, so does it answer your question?

(it's weird to say "Micheal is my God", for me it's similar to say "Emmanuel is my God", or *the Son of Man is my God", or "the Way is my God"... Technically true, but weird phrasing, but it's just my personal opinion)

What in the world....what bible do you use?
 

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God rest on sabbath, which sabbath?

If God rest in Washington DC sabbath Indonesian sea must rest in Sunday because D.C. Sabah is Sunday in Jakarta it is 12 hour different

So if sabbath start Friday evening 7 pm D.C. Indonesian sabbath start 7 am Saturday end 7 am sunday
I trust God on that one 😅
If he says he does, then he does, and I have no idea exactly how it works. It's like when he says he is everywhere, but also that where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he is present. What exactly is the difference ? I don't know exactly, I can only conclude that there are special relations to God in these situations (sabbaths and gatherings) in the same time, all around the world...
And how does it work in heaven? Do they have sunsets, do they have days to determine sabbaths ?
Bro, I don't know, I just know about the life down here and what God said about it, this is what is revealed.
 

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To my knowledge sabbath is from sunset to sunset

What happen in alaska

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Even though it is the largest state in the US, Alaska's population is sparse. With 24-hour daylight during the summer months and 24-hour darkness during the winter, many people find Alaska to be a strange and mysterious place. Here are some debunked myths about the unusual daylight patterns of Alaska.

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So sabbath ther is 3 mounts in the summer and never in winter
I don't know how my church adapts to that (I will do some research some day to be able to answer more properly to your question). I know that in the space station, there are sunset every few minutes, and it was decided (by jews) for some jewish astronaut that they would keep the timeframe of the place from which the rocket left.

I think Jesus answers some of these questions you have by saying that the sabbath is for Man. It means that the way you keep it needs to fit to human needs (biology, psychology and such), and therefore it would make sense to have a 24h sabbath even if the planet or country on which you live has 3months-long days... Indeed, people still have 24-hours days for work, sleep, holidays, etc, so it would make sense that they keep sabbath in the same way, and not from sunset to sunset in such places.

Mark 2:27
27- And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

I mean no disrespect to the people living there, and I believe God can call people to go there. However, from a purely biological standpoint, the climate, the lack of sun, the lack of diverse food, etc, shows that this is not a place adapted for human living. For human to be healthy and with a long lifespan, they need a lot of stuff that are not needed elsewhere. Therefore, applying sabbath in this kind of conditions need to depend more on human needs than on environmental clues.
 

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What in the world....what bible do you use?
Haha, I think we use the same Bible versions !
Yes this is fascinating to learn about how people can understand so many different things from the same text. We need the Holy Spirit to guide us to truth 🙏
Of course, if anyone is interested I can go back on "Why Michael is a name of Jesus" from a biblical point of view. This is quite a frequent question.
However, sincerely we don't frequently call Jesus by the name "Michael" or by other names than Jesus, Lord and God (I don't call him lamb of God, son of David, etc), so I guess this is just a prophetic name and a prophetic interpretation, it does not, usually, have a huge impact on our daily relation to God.
 
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Haha, I think we use the same Bible versions !
Yes this is fascinating to learn about how people can understand so many different things from the same text. We need the Holy Spirit to guide us to truth 🙏
Of course, if anyone is interested I can go back on "Why Michael is a name of Jesus" from a biblical point of view. This is quite a frequent question.
However, sincerely we don't frequently call Jesus by the name "Michael" or by other names than Jesus, Lord and God (I don't call him lamb of God, son of David, etc), so I guess this is just a prophetic name and a prophetic interpretation, it does not, usually, have a huge impact on our daily relation to God.
That is very miss leading to the uninformed of Bible details .......folks.
 
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I'm interested on scripture and verse Michael alledged to be a name of Christ.
 
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What do you mean? How is that misleading?

Because you have no scriptures which support such relationship of Christ with anyone/name....except God.

Further, I see no point to gain from such thought process....?
 

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I'm interested on scripture and verse Michael alledged to be a name of Christ.
HI, I am sorry this is a long study so I took the time to properly get the texts and info for you.

Michael is a name of Christ, used in some prophecies.

TLDR : Michael means "who is like God" (Christ is like God), he is mentioned doing Christ-like/Godlike actions, "angel" is sometimes used in reference to God (not always, don't get me in troubles). The methods used to interpret prophecies lead us to conclude that these arguments are enough to recognize Michael as a name of Christ.


Why? I see 4 aspects that are usually expressed to show that Michael is a name of Christ.

1.1️⃣ What does Michael mean?

Micheal literally means "who is like God". Some think it is a question (like, is there anyone like God?), others think it is the definition of his name (the person who has this name is like God).

Whatever it is, the answer to this enigma is obviously Christ : he is the only One who is wholly and perfectly like God, being the Word of God, "being… the express image of his person" (Héb 1:3 KJV), being God himself (John 1.1).


2.2️⃣ Parallels between texts about God and texts about Michael

If we limit our reading to the Bible, there are not many texts about Michael, and he is the only one described as archangel.

>> Most obvious :
Jude 9
Jud 1:9 KJV Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Parallel to God in Zachariah 3:

Zac 3:1-2 KJV 1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

We could study more in depth Zac 3, but the key point is that Michael is clearly in NT in the position of the Lord in OT.

>>>the use of the word Archangel :

Archangel is used only twice in the Bible : one in reference to Michael obtaining the resurrection of Moses (Jude 9) and a second time to tell the voice used when Jesus resurrects the dead in the last day!

1Th 4:16-17 KJV 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

For me, this makes it painfully obvious that the only biblical archangel, Michael, is supposed to partake in resurrection, by both interceding for the saints (Jude 9) and having power to resurrect by his voice (1 Th 4.16). Many other texts then point out that these characteristics are Jesus power.

Jea 6:39-40 KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jea 11:25 KJV Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

>> less obvious, the characteristics of Michael :

Michael, one of the chief princes (Dan 10.13)
Michael, your prince (Dan 10.21)
Michael, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Dan 12.1)

Therefore Michael is the chief prince for the people of God.
This is Christ. Indeed, Jesus is a Prince to Israel :
Act 5:31 KJV Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Even a Prince to all kingdoms of earth :
Apo 1:5 KJV And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

3.3️⃣ Can God be described as an angel?

First of, angel just mean messenger. It used in reference to john the Baptist, or other disciples in specific situation. It's not far-fetched to use him to Jesus as he is sent to earth by God with the message for he Gospel.

But second, sometimes "Angel of the LORD " or "angel" is used about to describe the LORD himself. Indeed, there are many examples where these are used interchangeably. Here are just two.

Exo 3:2-4 KJV 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Another one, when Jacob fought :

Gen 32:28-30 ISV 28 “Your name won’t be Jacob anymore,” the man replied, “but Israel, because you exerted yourself against both God and men, and you’ve emerged victorious.” 29 “Please,” Jacob inquired, “Tell me your name.” But he asked, “Why are you asking about my name?” And he blessed Jacob there. 30 Jacob would later call that place Peniel, because “I saw God face to face, but my life was spared.”

Compared to :

Osé 12:4-5 ISV 4 He even fought the angel and won; he cried and prayed to him. Then at Bethel he found him, and there he spoke with us— 5 the LORD God of the Heavenly Armies— the LORD is his name.


4.4️⃣ Interesting, but why is this conclusive?

Well, I will try to be quick….

If you study the book of Daniel, you have plenty of symbols that need to be interpreted. But interestingly, if you only focus on that one book, you have clear parallels between the chapters 2,7 and 8, with kingdoms being described and defined more and more clearly, with more and more details and with explanations.

When you do this intellectual exercice (and spiritual experience), I believe you are brought to use interpretation methods that teaches you how to understand the harder chapters (9 to 12) and thus, when you get to Michael, it gets clear that if your other prophetic interpretations are correct, then there is noway that this is anyone else but Christ… indeed, the method to study Daniel 2, 7 and 8 is quite similar as the method we used in the previous points I made about Michael (and other arguments like that, that don't fit in one "simple" post 😅).
 
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Never used the Bible except to know Jesus . I'll have to try it sometime, nah. Michael is the Archangel only Michael I know of in Scripture. Seems to me Gabriel was being withstood Prince of Persia, but got some help from Michael the Archangel. Michael is the Archangel the only one mentioned in scripture . Christ is not Michael and Michael is not Christ. If you can handle it Michael is not Christ . And Michael does not raise the dead The Lord Jesus Christ does.
 

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Because you have no scriptures which support such relationship of Christ with anyone/name....except God.

Further, I see no point to gain from such thought process....?
Of course I believe there are Bible texts, if not, I would not teach that.

I think this is quite interesting to ask what do we gain. Why would Jesus second coming be with the voice of the archangel? (1 Th 4.16) Why does he fight Satan with the name Michael and with all his angels? (Rev 12.7). Jesus could do all that alone and with his human name and voice (as being just Jesus).

I can tell you what I gain in understanding, for me personally, but biblical knowledge needs to be investigated by yourself to "gain" what God intended.

To me, personally, it shows that Jesus loves his angels so much that he fights by their side with their cooperation and valuing their efforts. He does not just wave his almighty power to get rid of problems but he gets side by side with them, as he does with us in our daily lives. He is always the Archangel = the one above angels, but he is also with and among them, one of the princes, the one who is like God, Michael.

When we get to heaven we will have this benevolent King that is a friend to every kind of creature he made. 😍And we will be kings with him 😍

But it also gets farther. Satan claimed that we could "be as gods" by eating the fruit in Eden (Gen 3.5) and he seduced angels by saying that he would be "like the Most High" (Isa 14.14). This is the first ever sin, trying to be like God through sin. This original sin is uprooted from the heart when it is demonstrated to be false by the only one who is truly like God, Michael (= "who is like God" in Hebrew), who, tempted in all things has chosen not to sin, but accepted to be obedient even to His death, and thus demonstrated the true love character of God and His commands. Anyone that look at Him, who is like God, have seen the Father.
 

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Never used the Bible except to know Jesus . I'll have to try it sometime, nah. Michael is the Archangel only Michael I know of in Scripture. Seems to me Gabriel was being withstood Prince of Persia, but got some help from Michael the Archangel. Michael is the Archangel the only one mentioned in scripture . Christ is not Michael and Michael is not Christ. If you can handle it Michael is not Christ . And Michael does not raise the dead The Lord Jesus Christ does.
Bro, I took hours to study the Bible about Michael and give you this summary. You answer in mere minutes. I hope at least this study was useful to you or to others on this forum. Anyway I respect your opinion and yes, I hope you will have the opportunity to think and study even more on prophecies and such, to learn always more on Jesus. He is so amazing ❤️