"I am He"
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eternally-gratefull
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Yes, houson is one state,
Yet it has many people
That fits..
The queen is one person. It does not fit.. Because God is one god. But he is not one person.
He did not send himself. He did not pray to himself, pray that he would resend himself in a different form.
But this is in effect what your saying.
But she doesn't talk to the others as if they are the same person as herself.
The Queen of England is actually four persons.
She really is:
1. Queen.
2. Commander of the Canadian Forces.
3. Duke of Lancaster.
4. Head of the New Zealand Defence Force.
Yet, she is One person.
Yahweh really is:
1. Father
2. Son
3. Holy Spirit.
Yet, he is One God.
That is who the Queen is. She is actually those people. They are the same person as herself.
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eternally-gratefull
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This is getting out of hand
1. Does the queen pray to herself?
2. Does the queen enter herself. Then tell the world that her daughter is well pleasing to her?
3. Does the queen pray to herself. That she will send herself after she departs?
Sorry man, Your examples do not help your case, they actually hurt your case because they can be used against you
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You do not understand. The Queen can actually stand by herself in an empty room and talk to all those four people by talking to herself.
She IS those persons.
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eternally-gratefull
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If she did that
She would be sent to a mental hospital for talking to herself (and you know it, your just hiding from the truth)
Keep on talking man, Your hurting your own case.
Nonsense! Your advocating classic "Modalism" or what oneness pentecostals believe. The Queen is one person playing the role of all these positions. It's the same thing as saying, "I'm a son, I'm a husband, and I'm a father yet there is one me. Whereas the Trinity are actual distinct persons in the Godhead and how they are one is by their shared nature.
How the Queen is one with the rest of humanity is that her nature is that of human. We are all humans by nature but yet we are all distinct persons. This is a universal law that sons and daughters share the same nature as their father/mother. Dogs beget other dogs, birds beget other birds etc. This is not hard to understand. And btw, you may not be a onness pentecostal but your advocating what they believe which is unbiblical.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
.Nonsense! Your advocating classic "Modalism" or what oneness pentecostals believe. The Queen is one person playing the role of all these positions. It's the same thing as saying, "I'm a son, I'm a husband, and I'm a father yet there is one me. Whereas the Trinity are actual distinct persons in the Godhead and how they are one is by their shared nature.
How the Queen is one with the rest of humanity is that her nature is that of human. We are all humans by nature but yet we are all distinct persons. This is a universal law that sons and daughters share the same nature as their father/mother. Dogs beget other dogs, birds beget other birds etc. This is not hard to understand. And btw, you may not be a onness pentecostal but your advocating what they believe which is unbiblical.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Modalism is where one person follows on, one after the other.
Whereas we believe Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist together as One God.
It is the other way round, without any one, two, or three, the Queen would continue on. Although her authority and influence would diminish.
Matthew 3:13-17 (KJV)
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Why do you suppose the Holy Spirit was exterior of Jesus, descending upon Jesus after the heavens were opened to Him, if Jesus already was in possession of the fullness of the Godhead?
Whose voice from that opened up heaven called out a claim that Jesus was Son? I believe Jesus came from birth to that day with John in the form of a man without that fullness, receiving the Second Person (Holy Spirit) on that day, while the Father remained as usual in heaven on the throne.
The Magi followed a sign from heaven that led them to Jerusalem and King Herod, then from there 5 miles south to Bethlehem. The babe who was worshipped was not identified as YAHWEH or ELOHIM. He was the babe to fulfill prophecy. Even yet, being identified as RULER of Israel while yet a babe, that won't happen until Jesus returns. Remember, the Magi were diviners. God can even use eastern religions to His purposes even thousands of years coming.
In the ancient days the Spirit came UPON certain leaders , such as judges, prophets, and kings. The Holy Spirit would remain upon them, not IN them, as long as He was welcome. In the words of David
Psalm 51:11-17 (KJV)
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
No Christian should have to pray that over himself. There is a HUGE difference between a spirit upon one's shoulder, holy or unholy, and the Holy Spirit residing inside a believer, sealing them to eternity.
Hey, Ya'll, Henry Ford is dead and the Ford Corp is completely different, though disappointing to me as a former devoted Ford customer. His examples relate to secular concepts, which are rampant today and are affecting their sales. Look to the scriptures instead!
Jesus spoke in parables. And still the disciples did not understand him.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(1Co 13:12 KJV)
Jesus spoke in parables. And still the disciples did not understand him.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(1Co 13:12 KJV)
That incident was NOT a parable, and not at all an event taught by Jesus. You took a plainly reported event as a parable, possibly knowing people are generally drawn to parables, whether proposed in AD 40 or AD 2019.
There are many statements uttered by Jesus that were not in parabolic form, but straightly expressed as directly as Jesus heard and saw of Father God. Parables are directed to the uneducated commoners who probably even probably only comprehended any language but their own dialect. That communication divide persists unto this very time, starting at the Tower of Babel.