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'OSAS Makes for hubritic chidren with no morals'


Only if children are taught that having freedom is a free-pass to do whatever they like, rather than a position of responsibility and great opportunity. If the only reason a person acts kind and compassionate is for their 'saving' as you see saving (reward) and to avoid their punishment (death/hell etc) then that person doesn't really have a compassionate, moral compass.

A child can go through life not having harsh consequences to face for their wrong actions, loved by compassionate parents, and yet still desire intensely to do the right thing. And in fact, a child is more likely to do the right thing out of respect (and therefore, for good reasons), than they are out of fear (which is a negative reason to do something).

It's a matter of the perspective you teach the child. Children don't need punishments as diversions from wrongful action, nor do they need promises of shiny new toys or being taken to the park, or indeed of getting 'saved', all they need is a compassionate parent who teaches them to do the right thing for no other reason than the joy it creates inside and outside.

There is no substitute that can better a child's happiness. And to teach them the path of giving for no other sake than selflessness and compassion when they are young will serve them their whole lives.
 
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Any spiritualist knows that like vodoo, demons lay claim to property, if you have something cursed the demons are allowed to bother you
pray and remove anything not christian and go to Jesus and they can nno longer bother you.
Jesus is the answer the word of God
then you pray this prayer.

Mark 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.


and whenever you are bothered this sentence prayer breaks all traps of the enemy seen and unseen.

Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord! Blessed be the Lord!
and ask Jesus with the cross scars in his hand to make the demons go away and you give your entire life and mind and soul to the heavenly father. and then say speak Lord from your word for thy servant heareth...

pray this prayer anytime needed and you will be free.
 
Books are the biggest problem, I cleaned out my bookshelves and have downsized and what peace there is in my house now, it is wonderful.
 
ok back again
hope you are still there

here is a verse that may halp

Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Samson became sensul so what do you think the enemy is doing to us toady? This worked so well on Samson!
Sex everywhere, movies TV and even abominable sex to guarantee punishment

But if he can get our minds in the gutter the spirit leaves again, then you need to be born again...
repent have him come back
put mind on track...

How many times can one be born again ?
 
yes
you always have either the holy spirit or an evil spirit
you are never without a spirit...
I hear what you're saying but it's always the other way round that makes the difference i.e. does the holy spirit have you or does an evil spirit have you.
 
In any warfare, spies and infiltrators play a critical role in battle. Some battles were won without a shot fired. Behind enemy lines so to speak, as in homes, in religious houses and schools to name a few. Don't forget these outcasts besides being dark and evil, are also smart, charming and diplomatic. They relish the fact that a lot of humans mistakenly blame them. For the bitterness, anger, jealousy, selfishness and cunning, all of which came about by own choice. This is spiritual warfare.
 
2thewaters, when did you get saved? It is more than obvious by what you are posting you have no clue what you are talking about and have contradicted yourself and have absolutely no grasp about even the basics of Christian doctrine and speak out of complete ignorance of the word

Like danschance, you consistently give credit to the devil and demons and place them higher and more powerful, than the redemptive work Jesus did on the cross, his name, his resurrection, the word, and the power of the Holy Ghost.

Both of you do not walk in the truth and do not know the truth, so therefore you are not free.

Anything that exalts itself higher than Christ is an Anti Christ and DOES NOT have the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead working in them.

You are such a babe and attempt to eat the meat, but cannot, for you are unskilled in the word of righteousness.

You and danschacne continually post error after error and do nothing more than turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and deny the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

You both are wrong...PERIOD

This post seems abusive to me and I have reported it as you seem to have a pattern of this sort of accusatory, abusive and non-constructive posts. We are all Christians here to discuss Christian issues. Name calling and accusing others of theological error based on your opinion because they disagree with you, does not promote discussion but it is hurtful and divisive.

I hope your posts in the future will be more constructive and less judgmental.
 
is it true that our human flesh is the vessel for the holy spirit, and the devil immitates God anyway he can so he has demonic spirits also and when these spirits have a hold on someone, is it true that the person can only do what the SPIRIT wants them to do?
This shows a complete misunderstanding of demon possession. The questions just don't apply to what happens. No, it is not true that most possessed people have no say in what they do, that only happens when the person, at some time, decides to let the demon have the complete say.

People can be influenced by demons without allowing them to become part of them. Demons have substance, but no body. They are only able to speak by using a human's voice, but in that way they can audibly speak. They never possess a human unless that person allows them in through accepting sin as part of their life. The incidence of possession has climbed by many, many percent since 1970. This is because so many people are accepting sin as a normal part of life: abortion, sexual immorality, immoral practice in business, etc.
 
This shows a complete misunderstanding of demon possession. The questions just don't apply to what happens. No, it is not true that most possessed people have no say in what they do, that only happens when the person, at some time, decides to let the demon have the complete say.

People can be influenced by demons without allowing them to become part of them. Demons have substance, but no body. They are only able to speak by using a human's voice, but in that way they can audibly speak. They never possess a human unless that person allows them in through accepting sin as part of their life. The incidence of possession has climbed by many, many percent since 1970. This is because so many people are accepting sin as a normal part of life: abortion, sexual immorality, immoral practice in business, etc.
i think you misinterpret what i really was trying to say, i'm not saying the demon will take entire control over you and control where you walk what you eat or anything like that, example i was addicted to cannabis i wanted to stop couldn't stop i still live a regular life but that had a hold on me do you see what i am saying? i know someone who was gay and didn't want to be gay but he was gay because that homosexual spirit had a hold on him
 
This post seems abusive to me and I have reported it as you seem to have a pattern of this sort of accusatory, abusive and non-constructive posts. We are all Christians here to discuss Christian issues. Name calling and accusing others of theological error based on your opinion because they disagree with you, does not promote discussion but it is hurtful and divisive.

I hope your posts in the future will be more constructive and less judgmental.

I am not being judgmental one bit Danny, you and your friend are spreading false doctrine and I am calling you both out, because you are wrong, period.

If anyone is being abusive you are, you continue to exalt the devil and demons over Jesus Christ, that makes you wrong, period.

I have not called anyone names sir, stop lying and cowering under the Board TOS and be a mighty man of valor and man up.
I disagree with your theology, because it disagrees with the written word of God.

Many have attempted to be nice to you and cajole you on other threads of the same topic, you resort to pride and continued ignorance of God's written word.

Many have attempted to show you your error through the word, but your mind is made up. Since you refuse and refute correction, I will continue to post the error you both are under.

I noticed on 2thewaters profile it says he has only been saved recently...how long is recently? last month? Last week?, Last hour?, Last minute? A babe that is recently saved and speaking with authority that violates God's word and proves through their statements are unskilled in the word of righteousness and refuse to take correction must be spoken to.

The only thing abusive, hurtful and divisive is your theology , which the Bible proves is wrong....PERIOD!

Once again and let it sink in Danny, you are under a spirit of error, and you are wrong. I don't have the time nor the inclination to begin posting all the scriptures to show you your error. You have done so much more eloquently than I ever could.

I have not called you names, I have called you out. Now be a mighty man of Valor and man up and stop exalting the devil and demons over our precious Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and his redemptive work and resurrection!

John 8.31-32 says
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

You both nee dto get into the word and be set free from this false teaching, PERIOD!
 
If you have any books that are not christian on your bookshelf the demons are allowed to remai in your house all the time...
Records too.

there's a demon of Dictionary?
principality of Encylopedia?

can you please document somewhere that demons have any right to be in my house due to Bing Crosby on vinyl?
where are we told it is a sin to have books or records?
 
there's a demon of Dictionary?
principality of Encylopedia?

can you please document somewhere that demons have any right to be in my house due to Bing Crosby on vinyl?
where are we told it is a sin to have books or records?

Know ye not that Bing Crosby and Burl Ives are synonymous with evil? ...don't even get me started on Pinocchio!!!
 
there's a demon of Dictionary?
principality of Encylopedia?

can you please document somewhere that demons have any right to be in my house due to Bing Crosby on vinyl?
where are we told it is a sin to have books or records?


About 70 years ago there was another man who forbade books and tried to have them burned as they did not agree with his ideology. Here's a hint...small moustache
 
Any spiritualist knows that like vodoo, demons lay claim to property, if you have something cursed the demons are allowed to bother you
pray and remove anything not christian and go to Jesus and they can nno longer bother you.
Jesus is the answer the word of God
then you pray this prayer.

Mark 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.


and whenever you are bothered this sentence prayer breaks all traps of the enemy seen and unseen.

Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord! Blessed be the Lord!
and ask Jesus with the cross scars in his hand to make the demons go away and you give your entire life and mind and soul to the heavenly father. and then say speak Lord from your word for thy servant heareth...

pray this prayer anytime needed and you will be free.

hang on a second.
something cursed? like what?

if i have candles made in Taiwan on my coffee table, is there a chance somebody put a curse on it?
would some voodoo guy's curse have any effect on me or a candle? why?

can you please how me where it says demons can lay claim to property?
what do you mean : "Any spiritualist knows"?
 
pretty much.. i really want people to understand what i'm trying to say though and really really.. understand what the holy spirit does [video=youtube;ZOsIIaojVnE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOsIIaojVnE[/video] look at this video... this person was a drug addict he didn't want to be a drug addict but the spirit of bondage had a hold on him, so he couldn't do anything else BUT what that SPIRIT wanted him to do, now down to the main question.. WOULDN'T THE SAME THING HAPPEN WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT? This is what God did [h=3]Romans 8:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


WOULDN'T THIS HAPPEN IF SOMEONE TRULY RECEIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT? i really hope everyone takes a close look at this... i want everyone to understand
Hello Brother Josh,

It has been awhile. I have been wondering where you have been.

I would think that God respects a human and his existence. While Satan could care less.

If they who have the Holy Spirit only do what the Spirit desires, then which of the two commits a sin in order for there to be our Priest?

--Chris

P.S. Glad to see you around again...
 
i think you misinterpret what i really was trying to say, i'm not saying the demon will take entire control over you and control where you walk what you eat or anything like that, example i was addicted to cannabis i wanted to stop couldn't stop i still live a regular life but that had a hold on me do you see what i am saying? i know someone who was gay and didn't want to be gay but he was gay because that homosexual spirit had a hold on him
How interesting! I wonder where the line is between being possessed by a demon so it takes over some of a person, giving up all of self so you don't control your own ideas any more, and being influenced by a demon.

I had a nicotine addiction for awhile. Every night for about twenty years, I and God would have a conversation about it. We would decide I was done with that addiction, and every morning I would pace the floor until I had some more nicotine. It took the prayers of a group of spiritually grown Quaker ladies to free me, and God used a hospital visit with nicotine poisoning to accomplish it.

Interesting!!!
 
I wonder how was the demon possessed persons in the bible were able to cry out to Jesus for help hmmmm and they say the demon is full in control of that person hmmmmmmmmmmmmm so the demon made them cry out for help hmmm just a thought