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Pontiac said:
Obviously discussing the Bible with varying opinions is debating ... There are no two ways around that ... If there is no debating then there is no discussing ...
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I "thought so too" when I started posting here but actually as a mod clarified discussion and debating aren't the same "discussion" is like say talking about a topic that is of merit or particularly here ,God's word the bible, and giving "reasons" for a stance as well as "evidence" to support a stance where as "debating" or out right "argueing"like a whole "he said she said" thing where what ends up being promoted is "hate" and "chaos" becoming "pointless" regarding "learning" or "fellowship".
 
Pontiac said:
I have to take a break for something to eat but I will be back on later ... I hope we can further this debate without the name calling and insults ... I would love to talk more with you Tommy ...
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But you admit we have free will, so why would God interfere and change a person's mind?
 
joefizz said:
I was talking about that it can be at the least "questionable" even if found to be "harmless" because remember it is written "women submit to your husbands,men submit to your wives" as well as once married being "as one" all meaning that anything said to either person married ought to be "known" to each other promoting "honesty and humbleness" and discouraging "secrets withheld".
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There is no mention here by me of any woman submitting to any man other than her husband ... Speaking to a man does in no way equate to submitting to him ...
 
Pontiac said:
I have a right to my opinion ... You are not the only one that has an opinion my friend ... If you don't like an opinion it does give you or anyone else the right to slander another ... Apparently you've not read what God has to say about slander even though I posted His words right here on this thread ... You and others can slander another all that you want, but it will never make you right by JESUS to do so ...

Matthew 5:11


"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

I gave you the exact word of God regarding this situation ... Right here ... Now you tell me who's advice matters ... Is it your advice, my advice, the other members advice or is it God's advice ? ...

1CORINTHIANS 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Yet still you wish to spew forth your slander and defend others who do the same ...That is not Christian behavior and anyone that says it is is spreading false information ...
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Actually that's not quite "accurate" true on "your own" you are entitled to your opinion but here is "different" certain "beliefs" and matters of "order" are in place here to where anyone just giving out a bunch of "opinions" instead of "biblical beliefs" is not promoted because this site is not someone's "Ranting ground".
This is a place that is freely "offered" to people for "fellowship" and "learning" this site is by no means a free pass type place to "say whatever" I understand Tommy "hurt you" with his remark of calling you an "idiot" but you really should try to "calm down" I've been through this too here not only with people that have intentionally pursued me as a target but friends as well I'm really trying to be "compassionate" here "clear your mind" or perhaps discuss or join in on another thread it really helps.
 
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Tommy379 said:
But you admit we have free will, so why would God interfere and change a person's mind?
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At the person's request, God will come to them ... At that point He is not interfering, but He is coming to one's aid as He promises ... The key is that He must be asked to appear ... God does not force Himself upon anyone ... They must request His mercy or His grace or His help in order to receive it ... Once they request Him, it is not interference and He will change them and help them ...
 
joefizz said:
Actually that's not quite "accurate" true on "your own" you are entitled to your opinion but here is "different" certain "beliefs" and matters of "order" are in place here to where anyone just giving out a bunch of "opinions" instead of "biblical beliefs" is not promoted because this site is not someone's "Ranting ground".
This is a place that is freely "offered" to people for "fellowship" and "learning" this site is by no means a free pass type place to "say whatever" I understand Tommy "hurt you" with his remark of calling you an "idiot" but you really should try to "calm down" I've been through this too here not only with people that have intentionally pursued me as a target but friends as well I'm really trying to be "compassionate" here "clear your mind" or perhaps discuss or join in on another thread it really helps.
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I have in no way slandered anyone nor given anyone anything other than the truth ... If you have any rebuke then it belongs directed elsewhere ...
 
Pontiac said:
There is no mention here by me of any woman submitting to any man other than her husband ... Speaking to a man does in no way equate to submitting to him ...
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I know,I was talking about how serious marriage is "supposed to be" biblically,even some scriptures refers to any "secrets" God shouting them to the world in a sense,all in all referring to how "secrets" can be very "bad" in marriage under biblical terms not that I'm saying that a woman or man cannot have a "friend" to talk to in private but "near strangers" or old flames probably not a good idea.
 
I have a question for you Tommy ... Do you have anything against two men speaking in private ? ... If not, why don't you and I discuss this privately in order to cut through some of this clutter ? ... PM me with any question you desire and I will be glad to give you a godly answer along with scripture to prove it ...
 
Pontiac said:
I have a question for you Tommy ... Do you have anything against two men speaking in private ? ... If not, why don't you and I discuss this privately in order to cut through some of this clutter ? ... PM me with any question you desire and I will be glad to give you a godly answer along with scripture to prove it ...
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That may be a good idea since really most the posts in this entire thread have been "between you two" but I would suggest you both to "clear your minds" and "try" to discuss without "anger".
 
Marriage can be very challenging at times. It requires two people respecting one another and thinking more of the other person than they think of themselves. Your marriage is worth fighting for. Have you thought about getting counseling for yourself to resolve your past hurt? Your husband still loves you. Consider the two of you going to a marriage counselor that believes in reconciliation. Although your husband has left, it is not too late. Forgive yourself and look to your future. I am praying that you and your husband reconcile and the peace of God resides in your marriage and home.
 
I am sorry you are having to deal with this. Do you belong to a church? I would sit down with your Pastor and talk to him about what is going on in your marriage. He could talk to your husband, and then maybe you both could meet with him together. Marriage is hard work! I don't know everything about your marriage, but I know the devil is working overtime on the family unit! I can see it in my family and the families in my community. Keep praying for your husband. Pray that God will change his heart. I believe that God can perform a miracle in your marriage. Good luck, sweet momma!
 
Pontiac said:
At the person's request, God will come to them ... At that point He is not interfering, but He is coming to one's aid as He promises ... The key is that He must be asked to appear ... God does not force Himself upon anyone ... They must request His mercy or His grace or His help in order to receive it ... Once they request Him, it is not interference and He will change them and help them ...
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Ok, so God doesn't change people's minds.
 
Not unless they first invite Him into their hearts ... However, if one does want and invite God's help, then He will change the whole person ... It likes I'm sure you've heard stories of people in all kinds of trouble in life, then they truly find God and their whole life changes for the better ... God changes the person because the person asked for help ... If one never asks for that help then God will go on letting them choose their own path ... Does this make sense to you ? ...
 
When one invites God into their heart they are inviting change ... God helps to see that this change takes place because they trusted in Him to help ... Trust is the key ... One has to trust God to help them, or He will not ... It is when he sees trust/faith that His Spirit enters into the person ... With no trust for Him, He is not there ...
 
Pontiac said:
Not unless they first invite Him into their hearts ... However, if one does want and invite God's help, then He will change the whole person ... It likes I'm sure you've heard stories of people in all kinds of trouble in life, then they truly find God and their whole life changes for the better ... God changes the person because the person asked for help ... If one never asks for that help then God will go on letting them choose their own path ... Does this make sense to you ? ...
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Sure, but the post that started this back in forth, I was referring to the advice that is given in assumption that God will make the wayward spouse return. I followed the advice from Christians to lay low, and pray God would bring her back, soften her heart, change her mind, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
In reality, I've come to the conclusion, the one left behind, if they want their marriage back, go get them. Maybe crush the head of that serpent. Maybe beat Chad to a pulp. Don't like violence? A male that would go after a married woman got stitches coming. Had it coming.
 
No God is not going to make the wayward spouse return if he remains without God truly in his heart ... However, if he was to get close to God, then he would want to return in order to please GOD because would tell his heart that was the right thing to do ...

You got good advice thee actually ... You or any counselors can never change a spouse ... They have to want God for themselves, so praying for a spouse to come to their senses and accept God is very good ... But running after them is not going to change them ... It has to be God to change them and they have to want that for themselves ...
 
If a spouse "wants" to be with you they will ... Even if you go running after them, you cannot make another love you ... It just doesn't work ...
 
God will not make a wayward spouse return ... However, by praying to Him and by fully trusting in the Lord, God can make one's life much better to where they are able to deal with the heartbreak and move on with their lives ... It is amazing what God can do and you never know what tomorrow will bring ... He can bring one into a new relationship that may just be even better than the last one ...
 
Hang in there! Marriage can be challenging and difficult at times, but not impossible. You are correct, you cannot control your husband’s behavior, but you can hope for the best and believe for the best. Prayer changes everything. Also, have you considered speaking with a counselor or local pastor?
Good luck! I wish you all the best.
 
if Jesus hadn't shown me the error of 'both' of our ways, I would be dead by now, and not living
the life of our Saviour's Ways...I will be forever grateful, especially for being shown how to leave
all bitterness and blame 'behind me', with only hope and the joy of 'new found real LOVE and
future before me...'Trust in The Lord with all of your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding'...
 
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