May I offer that Dave Flang on YouTube; and Jack McElroy on FB, gets into that best?
I override Constantine!
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Because God created everything, we are to know that everything belongs to God and we are provided for through Him. We are to give back to Him the best and first of all we are given. This is a lasting ordinance, to be applied all through time. Lev. 23: 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.
We are told in 1 Corinthians 25:20 that Christ is the first fruits of those who have eternal life. 1 Corinthians 15: 20 But Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Leviticus 23 has nothing to do with the Sabbath, it is explaining the first fruits requirement.
Because God created everything, we are to know that everything belongs to God and we are provided for through Him. We are to give back to Him the best and first of all we are given. This is a lasting ordinance, to be applied all through time. Lev. 23: 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.
We are told in 1 Corinthians 25:20 that Christ is the first fruits of those who have eternal life. 1 Corinthians 15: 20 But Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
I want to discuss this with you not them it seems really like you are wanting to promote rather than actually discuss so again I ask what do you mean by modern versions and can you give an example?
I mentioned them; because they do get into it best. And another big problem is; if I talk to somebody who uses a modern day bible; and I mention about "Counterfeits", that they might not accept the possibility of; I can try to tell a little bit; yet there's the possibility that nothing I say will convince that person of what I conclude. The smallest example would be; John 20:26 in KJ reads; "And after eight days." Is it the NIV that reads; "A week later"? There's a reason for KJ to read; "And after eight days."
That possibility is the reality in every discussion I have had more than my fair share of these situations no matter how much evidence is presented to them but we also cannot simply assume everyone is like that otherwise there is no point in debating. I do see your correct in that both versions say different things the question here is which one is correct? was it suppose to say eight days or a week? Honestly i cant believe i missed that good job seeing it
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Lev 23
The Feast of Firstfruits
9And the LORD said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say, ‘When you enter the land I am giving you and reap its harvest, you are to bring to the priest the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest. 11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD so that it may be accepted of your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.
The Feast of Firstfruits
9And the LORD said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say, ‘When you enter the land I am giving you and reap its harvest, you are to bring to the priest the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest. 11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD so that it may be accepted of your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.
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Sabbath Laws
(Leviticus 25:1-7; Deuteronomy 15:1-6)
10For six years you are to sow your land and gather its produce,
11but in the seventh year you must let it rest and lie fallow, so that the poor among your people may eat of the field, and the wild animals may consume what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and olive grove.
12For six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you must cease, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your maidservant may be refreshed, as well as the foreign resident.
Hmm seems yea the humanbody does need refreshing, from time to time.
(Leviticus 25:1-7; Deuteronomy 15:1-6)
10For six years you are to sow your land and gather its produce,
11but in the seventh year you must let it rest and lie fallow, so that the poor among your people may eat of the field, and the wild animals may consume what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and olive grove.
12For six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you must cease, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your maidservant may be refreshed, as well as the foreign resident.
Hmm seems yea the humanbody does need refreshing, from time to time.
The usual argument from such people is; that's 1 Sunday; out of an entire year of Sabbaths. Meaning; Lev 23; says a yearly "Sunday"; not a weekly. My question remains; is "Sunday" there; AT ALL? Yes it is. Which means; both "Sunday" and Sabbath; share equal holiness at 1st.
You DO realize; Im asking if Lev 23:11-21; means "Sunday"? Im not denying what your revealing; Im now asking; why are you revealing this?
Keep any day you like for a Sabbath. The Lord will sort it out when He comes back. If you want to study the wave sheaf, realize it pictures Christ's first ascension not His resurrection. And no, you are not going to convince anybody Constantine didn't have his way with Christendom.
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And no, you are not going to convince anybody Constantine didn't have his way with Christendom.
Hmmm, I did not know people still needed to be convinced of the obvious. And to further that assessment, to also convince them that King James did not force his own personal views towards it. It would be an amazing read and more of a combination of Books had there been an unbiased process involved.
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But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Which word translates to Saturday or Sunday my resources are limited..
Which word translates to Saturday or Sunday my resources are limited..
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In lev 23 is the 7th day sabbath which is equal to the Gregorian calendar day of Saturday, in the NT Jesus is the Sabbath rest in him, rest on Wednesday or Friday, your heart and mind will tell you when you need rest. you can fellowship seven days of week if you like.
The real question is was constantine saved or not? WHO KNOWS!
But he did end much of the persecution to Christians so there is no denying he did SOME GOOD.
Perhaps much like Oliver Cromwell, he gets villanized for his mistakes? Did he CONQUER with the cross as he saw? YES. But hey, Christianity wouldnt of spread to Latin America for example, if it wasnt for that laying the foundation.
I live in the FAR NORTH and we would still be 100% pagan tree worshipers if it wasnt for the horrific crusaders and then later on the lutheran preachers!
CALL ME CRAZY, but I say thank GOD! Better a bit in the fear of the LORD than NONE!
I believe in PREDESTINATION.
But he did end much of the persecution to Christians so there is no denying he did SOME GOOD.
Perhaps much like Oliver Cromwell, he gets villanized for his mistakes? Did he CONQUER with the cross as he saw? YES. But hey, Christianity wouldnt of spread to Latin America for example, if it wasnt for that laying the foundation.
I live in the FAR NORTH and we would still be 100% pagan tree worshipers if it wasnt for the horrific crusaders and then later on the lutheran preachers!
CALL ME CRAZY, but I say thank GOD! Better a bit in the fear of the LORD than NONE!
I believe in PREDESTINATION.
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Yea ending the crucifixing of people was a good thing,
a summary
In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries in the 4th century BC, and the Phoenicians introduced it to Rome in the 3rd century BC. It was virtually never used in pre-Hellenic Greece. The Romans perfected crucifion for 500 years until it was abolished by Constantine I in the 4th century AD. Crucifixion in Roman times was applied mostly to slaves, disgraced soldiers, Christians and foreigners--only very rarely to Roman citizens. Death, usually after 6 hours--4 days, was due to multifactorial pathology: after-effects of compulsory scourging and maiming, haemorrhage and dehydration causing hypovolaemic shock and pain, but the most important factor was progressive asphyxia caused by impairment of respiratory movement. Resultant anoxaemia exaggerated hypovolaemic shock. Death was probably commonly precipitated by cardiac arrest, caused by vasovagal reflexes, initiated inter alia by severe anoxaemia, severe pain, body blows and breaking of the large bones. The attending Roman guards could only leave the site after the victim had died, and were known to precipitate death by means of deliberate fracturing of the tibia and/or fibula, spear stab wounds into the heart, sharp blows to the front of the chest, or a smoking fire built at the foot of the cross to asphyxiate the victim.