I would like some perspectives on Revelation.
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“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?”
Mark 13:2-4 KJV
Mark 13:2-4 KJV
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As for The Book Of Revelation
Who is It addressed to?
If IT is addressed to The Seven Churches In Asis, then why is It taken, and applied to everyone Today ? ?
I have heard many false ideas of what The Events described in It are for. The One that seems to be ignored is this: "To The Seven Churches in Asia." !
Yet This Book is taken and applied in any way people chose to use It! What did This cause? It caused FALSE TEACHINGS! Who is The Author of false teaching? Satan.
He has had a very strong influence on Those who do not, "Study to show themselves approved of God ... "
Indeed, much can be learned from That Writing; but do not falsely apply It.
Let That Book go to whom It was written to!
DeepSeeker
Who is It addressed to?
If IT is addressed to The Seven Churches In Asis, then why is It taken, and applied to everyone Today ? ?
I have heard many false ideas of what The Events described in It are for. The One that seems to be ignored is this: "To The Seven Churches in Asia." !
Yet This Book is taken and applied in any way people chose to use It! What did This cause? It caused FALSE TEACHINGS! Who is The Author of false teaching? Satan.
He has had a very strong influence on Those who do not, "Study to show themselves approved of God ... "
Indeed, much can be learned from That Writing; but do not falsely apply It.
Let That Book go to whom It was written to!
DeepSeeker
“how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
Ephesians 3:3, 5-6
Ephesians 3:3, 5-6
To begin with— your entire premise is wrong. The book is not written to the seven churches. It’s written to the angels of the seven churches right out of the gate. It’s a spiritual book and spiritual letters with spiritual meaning. If you miss this you’re never going to understand the message.
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literally with that logic we could exclude most of the Bible for instance the book of Roman’s was written to the church at rome . The book of Ephesians to the chrich at Ephesus ect jesus just oresched to the Jews the prophets and law were given to Israel ect ect basically could erase everything in scripture with that thinking
“ whoever has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the churches “
“ whoever has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the churches “
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“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
…. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
…... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.”
Revelation 2:7, 17, 29 KJV
have you noticed there are seven churches seven candles seven angels seven trumpets seven seals seven vials seven lamps of fire burning before the throne seven eyes of the lamb seven spirits of God seven horns upon the lamb ect ect ?
Or that two segments of time 3.5 and 3.5 is seven ? That the beast has seven heads that are seven kings that seven thunders speak ?
Do you think it’s possible there’s more meaning this matter than a literal number seven ?
…. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
…... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.”
Revelation 2:7, 17, 29 KJV
have you noticed there are seven churches seven candles seven angels seven trumpets seven seals seven vials seven lamps of fire burning before the throne seven eyes of the lamb seven spirits of God seven horns upon the lamb ect ect ?
Or that two segments of time 3.5 and 3.5 is seven ? That the beast has seven heads that are seven kings that seven thunders speak ?
Do you think it’s possible there’s more meaning this matter than a literal number seven ?
Christ said, after telling everyone that they must eat His body and drink His blood, "these words I speak to you are Spirit and Life"
What is literal? It has to do with reality, what is literally real, or in this case, actually stated. But what is reality? And what is really real? I would ask you to consider, that those things which are not seen, are in fact the reality, and the realm or dimension in which we exist is the facade.
What is literal? It has to do with reality, what is literally real, or in this case, actually stated. But what is reality? And what is really real? I would ask you to consider, that those things which are not seen, are in fact the reality, and the realm or dimension in which we exist is the facade.
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I believe Revelation is literal and tells of the future.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
It is the revealing of Jesus Christ to the world.
It tells us of things that will shortly come to pass, and calls the words prophesy so it is literal telling us of things that shall occur on earth.
Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God and escape what shall happen on earth as He goes against all who rebelled against Him at the beast kingdom.
Some people think that the 7 Churches are actual Churches in the first century but I do not believe that for it does not make sense they could be that diverse from each other so early in Church history.
I believe it is a prophetic statement of how the Church age will go in popular influence at that time in history.
If there was fault at that time God always had people in the truth.
1. Lost their first love which they probably neglecting the poor and needy where when the Church started they were caring about the poor and needy.
2, 3, 4. The Roman Catholic Church which covers 3 Church ages for they were the popular influence for many years and became worse through the course of the 3 Church ages.
It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.
5. No serious error here which is the Protestant movement that started becoming the popular influence.
But Jesus said their works were not perfect before God and to correct it.
6. Jesus did not have any rebuke against this Church as the popular influence was in the truth.
Jesus said that He will deliver these saints from the temptation that shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell on earth.
There is only one temptation that can come upon all the earth at the same time and that is when the nations come together and say Peace and safety with an operation that is not of God which has not happened yet.
So this could of not happened in the first century.
7. The last Church which is lukewarm, neither hot or cold, and pursuing money, and material things, which we call the prosperity Gospel, which is popular now at the last Church age.
And can only happen at the time of technology.
Which God told us of the last generation that they will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which we see now as millions and billions of dollars is not enough for them.
Some people think the beast kingdom is symbolic, or happened in the past but it is not true.
The beast has power has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and all who dwell on earth shall worship him.
Which this could of not happened in the past.
The beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon but this is in spirit which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her life was prolonged for a time and a season which her ways are still on earth.
Which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age christianity.
The new age christianity interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.
The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
The New Age Christ will not acknowledge a personal God.
The United Nations supports new age organizations so they go along with their beliefs and want that to be the operation of the world.
United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is known as Agenda 30 for the year 2030 when they want it implemented.
They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.
They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.
They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.
This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.
All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.
This is the beast kingdom and system in Revelation 13 that is yet to come.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
The mark of the beast is something stuck under something and since it is given to a person it is stuck under their skin.
The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology can help them to deter crime, and have peace.
Continued in next post
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
It is the revealing of Jesus Christ to the world.
It tells us of things that will shortly come to pass, and calls the words prophesy so it is literal telling us of things that shall occur on earth.
Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God and escape what shall happen on earth as He goes against all who rebelled against Him at the beast kingdom.
Some people think that the 7 Churches are actual Churches in the first century but I do not believe that for it does not make sense they could be that diverse from each other so early in Church history.
I believe it is a prophetic statement of how the Church age will go in popular influence at that time in history.
If there was fault at that time God always had people in the truth.
1. Lost their first love which they probably neglecting the poor and needy where when the Church started they were caring about the poor and needy.
2, 3, 4. The Roman Catholic Church which covers 3 Church ages for they were the popular influence for many years and became worse through the course of the 3 Church ages.
It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.
5. No serious error here which is the Protestant movement that started becoming the popular influence.
But Jesus said their works were not perfect before God and to correct it.
6. Jesus did not have any rebuke against this Church as the popular influence was in the truth.
Jesus said that He will deliver these saints from the temptation that shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell on earth.
There is only one temptation that can come upon all the earth at the same time and that is when the nations come together and say Peace and safety with an operation that is not of God which has not happened yet.
So this could of not happened in the first century.
7. The last Church which is lukewarm, neither hot or cold, and pursuing money, and material things, which we call the prosperity Gospel, which is popular now at the last Church age.
And can only happen at the time of technology.
Which God told us of the last generation that they will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which we see now as millions and billions of dollars is not enough for them.
Some people think the beast kingdom is symbolic, or happened in the past but it is not true.
The beast has power has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and all who dwell on earth shall worship him.
Which this could of not happened in the past.
The beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon but this is in spirit which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her life was prolonged for a time and a season which her ways are still on earth.
Which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age christianity.
The new age christianity interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.
The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
The New Age Christ will not acknowledge a personal God.
The United Nations supports new age organizations so they go along with their beliefs and want that to be the operation of the world.
United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is known as Agenda 30 for the year 2030 when they want it implemented.
They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.
They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.
They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.
This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.
All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.
This is the beast kingdom and system in Revelation 13 that is yet to come.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
The mark of the beast is something stuck under something and since it is given to a person it is stuck under their skin.
The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology can help them to deter crime, and have peace.
Continued in next post
Continued from above post
Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that would come up one after the other and were different than each other.
Which are the 4 ways of people and while all 4 kingdoms operated by all 4 ways one of those ways was their chief mode of operation and the other 3 a minor influence.
1. Babylon- lion- human religion, the occult.
Had eagle's wings which is the revelation of God.
Blew it and eagle's wings were plucked and made to stand upon it's feet as a man the kingdom of man.
2. Medo- Persia- bear- physical cruelty and prosperity in war.
One side was raised for the Persian influence was greater.
3 ribs, 3 nations.
3. Greece- leopard- human wisdom.
4 wings of a fowl fly above the other nations in higher mathematics, science, medicine, philosophy, and the such.
4 heads dominion given to it.
Alexander died 4 generals took over it split in to 4 sections.
4. Roman Empire- iron- world domination.
10 horns come from them the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.
They shall devour the whole earth, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.
Which is by the new age christianity which is a Caucasian led plan which they influence the world to follow it.
New Age Christ comes from the 10 horns
First 3 beasts will not have dominion again but their ways are on earth.
The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.
All 4 kingdoms ways on earth and they all show up at the beast kingdom.
Beast kingdom has 10 horns Roman Empire dominion.
With the ways of a lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, kingdom of man.
Ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty in war to take away all people who oppose them.
Ways of a leopard, Greece, human wisdom.
All 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation with no minor mode of operation.
The kingdom of man in it's entirety which has not happened before.
The beast has 7 heads, 7 kings, which are of the 8th king the New Age Christ for the devil influenced all 7 kingdoms.
5 are fallen.
1.Egypt
2.Assyria
3.Babylon
4.Medo-Persia
5.Greece
One is in operation.
6.Roman Empire
7.10 horn kingdom which operates for a short space three and one half years which is in the future.
In Revelation 12 the crowns are on the heads Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving by the 7 kingdoms.
In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns Satan in the physical realm deceiving people as the New Age Christ, antichrist.
In chapter 13 one of the heads was wounded as it were to death and the deadly would was healed.
The 7th head, 10 horn kingdom, that ruled but failed to obtain peace, but the New Age Christ restored order, and gave them hope for there to be peace, and a better world, and the people believed him, and said who is able to make war with him, and the deadly wound was healed.
The book of Revelation is literal.
Pope Leo XIV will start the harmonization of the world and eventually publicly announce the new age christianity as the correct interpretation of the Bible.
This will pull in atheists, all the other religions, in to one system as they gear the Roman Catholic Church to become the religious system of the world.
Mystery Babylon.
He will try to harmonize the Republicans and Democrats and the world.
Some people in Science says the Bible is true, and people do not cease to exist after death.
They are saying modern Science is giving the correct interpretation of the Bible by new discoveries giving them a new perspective of things, and the Christians are interpreting it wrong.
Science as an organization was set up to get people away from the Bible and a personal God and then give them the new age interpretation of the Bible.
Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that would come up one after the other and were different than each other.
Which are the 4 ways of people and while all 4 kingdoms operated by all 4 ways one of those ways was their chief mode of operation and the other 3 a minor influence.
1. Babylon- lion- human religion, the occult.
Had eagle's wings which is the revelation of God.
Blew it and eagle's wings were plucked and made to stand upon it's feet as a man the kingdom of man.
2. Medo- Persia- bear- physical cruelty and prosperity in war.
One side was raised for the Persian influence was greater.
3 ribs, 3 nations.
3. Greece- leopard- human wisdom.
4 wings of a fowl fly above the other nations in higher mathematics, science, medicine, philosophy, and the such.
4 heads dominion given to it.
Alexander died 4 generals took over it split in to 4 sections.
4. Roman Empire- iron- world domination.
10 horns come from them the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.
They shall devour the whole earth, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.
Which is by the new age christianity which is a Caucasian led plan which they influence the world to follow it.
New Age Christ comes from the 10 horns
First 3 beasts will not have dominion again but their ways are on earth.
The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.
All 4 kingdoms ways on earth and they all show up at the beast kingdom.
Beast kingdom has 10 horns Roman Empire dominion.
With the ways of a lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, kingdom of man.
Ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty in war to take away all people who oppose them.
Ways of a leopard, Greece, human wisdom.
All 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation with no minor mode of operation.
The kingdom of man in it's entirety which has not happened before.
The beast has 7 heads, 7 kings, which are of the 8th king the New Age Christ for the devil influenced all 7 kingdoms.
5 are fallen.
1.Egypt
2.Assyria
3.Babylon
4.Medo-Persia
5.Greece
One is in operation.
6.Roman Empire
7.10 horn kingdom which operates for a short space three and one half years which is in the future.
In Revelation 12 the crowns are on the heads Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving by the 7 kingdoms.
In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns Satan in the physical realm deceiving people as the New Age Christ, antichrist.
In chapter 13 one of the heads was wounded as it were to death and the deadly would was healed.
The 7th head, 10 horn kingdom, that ruled but failed to obtain peace, but the New Age Christ restored order, and gave them hope for there to be peace, and a better world, and the people believed him, and said who is able to make war with him, and the deadly wound was healed.
The book of Revelation is literal.
Pope Leo XIV will start the harmonization of the world and eventually publicly announce the new age christianity as the correct interpretation of the Bible.
This will pull in atheists, all the other religions, in to one system as they gear the Roman Catholic Church to become the religious system of the world.
Mystery Babylon.
He will try to harmonize the Republicans and Democrats and the world.
Some people in Science says the Bible is true, and people do not cease to exist after death.
They are saying modern Science is giving the correct interpretation of the Bible by new discoveries giving them a new perspective of things, and the Christians are interpreting it wrong.
Science as an organization was set up to get people away from the Bible and a personal God and then give them the new age interpretation of the Bible.
In Reference to The Book Of Revelation.
That Book is probably the worst book in The Bible as far as being misunderstood!
Why? Because Those reading It do not listen to whom It was Written for!
What is said in the opening verse?4
"This is The Revelation of Jesus Christ {His unveiling of the Divine mysteries}. GOD GAVE TO HIM to disclose and make known [to His bond servants] certain things which must come to pass in Their entirety.
And He sent and communicated IT through His angel (messenger) to His bond servant John.
Who HAS TESTIFIED and VOUCHED for ALL YHAT HE SAW [in His vision], The word of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The above seems to get ignored by most who read This book! Who was It for? At what time period was IT for? John stated that The Things written in It would shortly, and quickly; come to pass!
Why then does Todays' churches insist on saying that the things written in Revelation, are YET TO COME!
It is written that John testified of It already! To whom did He testify It? Who is addressed in This Writing?
Then why is it that people keep insisting to put This Writing into Todays' Time? Are there Things ot be learned form This Book? Certainly; but not to be forced into This Time Period!
DeepSeeker
That Book is probably the worst book in The Bible as far as being misunderstood!
Why? Because Those reading It do not listen to whom It was Written for!
What is said in the opening verse?4
"This is The Revelation of Jesus Christ {His unveiling of the Divine mysteries}. GOD GAVE TO HIM to disclose and make known [to His bond servants] certain things which must come to pass in Their entirety.
And He sent and communicated IT through His angel (messenger) to His bond servant John.
Who HAS TESTIFIED and VOUCHED for ALL YHAT HE SAW [in His vision], The word of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The above seems to get ignored by most who read This book! Who was It for? At what time period was IT for? John stated that The Things written in It would shortly, and quickly; come to pass!
Why then does Todays' churches insist on saying that the things written in Revelation, are YET TO COME!
It is written that John testified of It already! To whom did He testify It? Who is addressed in This Writing?
Then why is it that people keep insisting to put This Writing into Todays' Time? Are there Things ot be learned form This Book? Certainly; but not to be forced into This Time Period!
DeepSeeker