based upon the fact and based upon the many promises made to the Jews which have never been fulfilled.
Promises which cannot apply to the church such as that they would inherit the earth ... we are not promised that.
If I was a prophet ....
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Promises which cannot apply to the church such as that they would inherit the earth ... we are not promised that.
Caiaphas fell and so did Israel, Peter represents the remnant. Israel's fall was predetermined.
Apply to the church,?
Are you saying Jews such as Paul, Peter,and John are not members of the church?
Are you talking about the same church that is the body of Christ or some other church?
The nation that calls itself Israel today will soon fall.Only a remnant will be saved.
Jacob received the name Israel after he had overcome.Theres not many who overcome.Just a remnant.
I am not talking about the church, our inheritance is heaven and that includes O T saints.
God said to Abe look at the stars too numerous to count so shall your seed be, again God said look at the sand of the seashore, too numerous to count so shall your seed be.
There is the heavenly seed and the earthly seed, the natural seed of Abe have promises made to them which differ from the church.
I say to you, if God does not keep His promise to the earthly seed, how can we trust that He will keep His promise to the heavenly seed?
God will keep His promise.
The Jews are enemies of the gospel for our sakes but as touching ELECTION they are beloved for the sake of the fathers for the gifts and call of God are without repentance. They cannot be revoked.
Paul says he was of the remnant, the remnant were the early church. Of Israel in the last time Paul says ALL Israel will be saved. What "all" may mean is a subject of debate but it doesn't mean few.
Jacob prevailed in his striving against man and God and God called him Prince ... and all Jacob's seed, 12 at that time but they became a nation.
Well,while your contemplating living on mars ,I will plan on traveling east to the kingdom of heaven where Abraham, Issac and Jacob are.
Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
Abraham ,Issac and Jacob will be in the same land that was promised to them which promise they have not received yet.The land of Canaan.
Remember Hebrews say clearly that Abraham was promised that land but never came into possession of it showing that he was looking for a better kingdom.
The earth promise was made to all Abe's seed, the heavenly home was not promised ... but some looked for it.
God said look to the stars too numerous to count, so shall your seed be
God said look to the sand of the seashore too numerous to count, so shall your seed be.
The heavenly and the earthly.
Well,this is how Jesus described it to Israel.
Mathew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Jesus said few.
Abraham was promised that land and never came into possession of it because it was not time for him to receive it.
God is not going to break his promise that he made to Abraham.God said he would give Canaan to Abraham and Abraham will receive it just as God has promised.
Jesus is not talking about old testimony saints.
Jesus is talking about the the faith of a Roman centurion and how many will come from the east and west and will sit down in the kingdom of heaven with abraham ,Issac and Jacob.
I have checked the maps and my shortest distance to travel to the kingdom of heaven is east as Jesus said many will come from the west.I would be one of them arriving from the west.
Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But it was Abe's seed which rejected Christ, they were predestined to do so, it was through their rejection that YOU were saved ... salvation is of the Jews.
As touching the gospel they are enemies for your sakes but as touching election election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers for God's call and gifts are without repentance.
The natural Jews are not promised heaven, none of them, not even Abe.
so what's your point?
We have the church which is Jew and Gentile, we have the nations ... but then we have the Jews. They are not the church but they are not the nations either.
... they have promises made to them that differ from the promise made to the church.
You are all over the map
First you say Abe will be in heaven and next you say he will be in Caanan ... the promise was made to his seed ... ALL his seed.
... he might have said nobody yet you have said that MANY shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abe, Ike and Jake ... so you have to balance the words few and many.
John said it will be a crowd impossible to number.
Matthew 5:5...Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Joshua 21:43 says the land promise was fulfilled.
What promises are not fulfilled in Christ?
The Jews were promised a land of milk and honey, this was fulfilled in Josh 21.23.
There are many promises made to Israel after that. They are promised the ends of the earth. I like that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"
The church is not promised to inherit the earth, ours is the kingdom of heaven.
No.
Only Christ inherits the promises. And believers, by their position in Him, become co-heirs with Him.
When a Jew or Gentile comes to Christ they are neither Jew or Gentile according to their inclusion in Christ. However, because the promises given to Abraham extends to his Seed (singular which is Christ) all who are in Christ become the offspring of Abraham. This is to display the complete reach of the covenant between Christ and God, the promises of which were given to Abraham.
To say that Jews inherit one thing while Gentiles inherit another is to exclude the Jews from being "in Christ" or to have them somehow choose between their inheritance as a Jew or their inheritance as a son of promise in Christ. That's the kind of doctrine that promotes the flesh, which cannot inherit the Kingdom, over the spirit.