If Lucifer is the mystery behind our fallacy, who was behind his fall?

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

That's just about right. No one forced Lucifer or Adam to disobey God. Those were their own choices because they were free to go either way. And the same is true for all men. At the same time the Law of Sowing and Reaping is there to ensure that evil is not rewarded.

I really admire God's plan in giving the creature life and free will. He had the power to make us like bots who blindly follow his instructions but free will was also given to us for His glory. God is good and wonderful. After saints have been saved, are they still capable of sinning in heaven or evil will have been destroyed forever? This question puzzles me a lot. What will God do to saints to prevent evil thoughts from ever racing their minds and still retain their free will? Thank You

 

[oyster67]

I really admire God's plan in giving the creature life and free will. He had the power to make us like bots who blindly follow his instructions but free will was also given to us for His glory. God is good and wonderful. After saints have been saved, are they still capable of sinning in heaven or evil will have been destroyed forever? This question puzzles me a lot. What will God do to saints to prevent evil thoughts from ever racing their minds and still retain their free will? Thank You

Someone reminded me that there would be no tempter or temptation in Heaven.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

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Someone reminded me that there would be no tempter or temptation in Heaven.

Well said.

 

[unelie]

What will God do to saints to prevent evil thoughts from ever racing their minds and still retain their free will? Thank You

Have you not experienced that here on earth ?
I believe in this kind of sanctification : the experience of loving good so much that evil does not cross your mind as an option anymore. Indeed, sanctification simply means "making holy". If we get holy, our thoughts and feelings get holy too. I experienced it many times and I want to grow in it so much 😍 (But I still have my free will : if I want, I can get back to my old thoughts and feelings).

For those that did not experience it completely before the grave (most of human beings, for sure), Jesus can put his mind in their hearts, in order to complete their sanctification, since it is written :

1Co 1:30
30- Because of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption

 

[unelie]

So then evil is inherent and already exists from our free will and doing the opposite of good with that will?

I don't understand that ...
If you define evil as "the possibility not to do right", then yes.
But I don't think this is evil, as in "wrong", I think this is freedom, and freedom is right.

On the contrary, I define evil as "do something that is not right", and this does not exist until you actually do it.
God created Lucifer and God created the possibility (by creating freedom), but Satan is the first to actually do it, and then the word "sin" or "evil" could be used to define someone's works.
No, I disagree that God created moral evil, but he creates evil (Isa 45.7) as in bad experience. He creates death, and sufferings in the judgment, etc.: this is the evil he creates, not moral evil. Indeed, in the context of Isa 45.7, evil is opposed to peace and not to righteousness, nor to justice.

God says in Jeremiah also which kind of evil he makes:
Jer 44:27
27- Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.

This is justice, not moral evil. What God does there is the right thing, even if it is evil = hurtful. I don't know if in English you use "evil" this way, but this is used like this in Hebrew (and in French for exemple ^^)

Anyway, this is just my thoughts on the matter

 

[unelie]

Our God is a sovereign and all-consuming fire. He is the source of ALL things....

In fact, to go farther: moral evil, in itself, is not a thing, you could even say that it does not exist... This is just the "not-right". Sin is just the refusal of right, a concept. God created all things, not all concepts.

Indeed:
Col 1:16-19
16- For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him.

And still:
1Jn 3:5
5- And you know that He was revealed that He might take away our sins, and in Him is no sin.

Therefore, sin is not a thing and God did not create it.

 

[studentoftheword]

God did not create Evil ----God allows evil to tempt us --Satan can't do nothing on his own power God has given Satan permission to temp us ------Job is a perfect example of that -----God gave the angels and humans limited free will ------God already knew that Lucifer would become prideful and envious and God allowed this to happen -----God needed an adversary to create free will to choose -----without a serpent to tempt Eve she would have remained her faithfulness to God and there would be no free will to choose needed -----there would only be one Will and that would be to obey God -----

God planted 2 trees in the Garden ----the tree of life was near the tree of good and evil ----Adam and Eve could have eaten from the tree of life and that would have maintained their Godly status forever----but when God said do not eat of the tree of good and evil that would get one's curiosity aroused -----would it not --and that is what the serpent focused on ------he raised up DOUBT AND UNBELIEF in what God said ----

Free will to choose came in because of the serpent tempting Eve -----before that Adam and Eve were pure and obedient to God in fellowship with Him --there was no evil ----

Satan's ONLY JOB is to keep us away from God and His Word -----and God has given His permission for Satan to do that ---and he does this by putting THOUGHTS in OUR MIND ------so we choose to entertain that bad thoughts or We choose CAST OUT the bad thoughts and replace it with God's thoughts ------

That casting out the bad thoughts is our job -----Jesus defeated Satan on the cross --God has provided a way out for us now to replace the bad thoughts with God's good thoughts by staying in His word and seeking Him in our weakness ------

Your Mind is your battle ground ----your in a Spiritual War every minute of every day -----it is all about who you will listen to and act on in your thought life ----


James 4:7

New International Version

7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

I say -------All up to us to resist the Temptation that God allows Satan to put in our thoughts ---that is our job ----who will win your soul today -------

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Someone reminded me that there would be no tempter or temptation in Heaven.

there isn’t now Jesus tossed him out after he was seated he’s now on earth working against us

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

…….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12, 17‬ ‭

the church is warned

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The war in heaven between Satan and the angels and Gods angels spilled into earth now Satan is here causing man havoc until everything is destroyed in the end but Gods saving us who repent and believe first by the gospel.

we have an enemy and he has an army

 

[jb]

I think the God given right of choosing between good and its evil already creates the opportunity to act wickedly, same for angels same for Adam and Eve. In that rebellion in the garden did start with the devil but they could have still ate of it out of curiosity even without the devil trying to incite them.

Yes..."Free will."

Sin has no existence by itself, and was not created by God, who created all things. It is simply a possible attitude of soul, and its existence depends solely upon the will of the sinner. If all sinners repented all sin would disappear: it is only the eternal refusal of sinners to repent which will keep sin in eternal existence. God is in no way responsible for it: He has created free wills, but not evil wills, as some theologians have stated, thus making God the Author of evil. Sin was the child of the first Will which chose evil, although the possibility, but not the actuality of it, lay dormant in the freedom of the will: but sin has no separate existence by itself: it is only a possible attitude of will, leading to sinful actions of body.

 

[Evmur]

The mystery behind evil according to the gospel is the prince of the air who attacks the souls of men and takes advantage of us using our own weaknesses. All evil that men imagine or do is from an incitement by the devil. Eve was incited so was Judas after being given the bread, so was Cain incited by satanic spirit of Jealousy. All rebellion to God's law was born in the Devil, the Ancient Serpent. My question who was behind his fall unless evil and good are eternal and complete one another like light and darkness.

evil men and women make up the body of Antichrist just as we make up the body of Christ ... each sinner has his own special mission of evil.

The fall of Satan will always be a mystery until it is revealed all the bible says is "sin was found in him"

 

[CS1]

The mystery behind evil according to the gospel is the prince of the air who attacks the souls of men and takes advantage of us using our own weaknesses. All evil that men imagine or do is from an incitement by the devil. Eve was incited so was Judas after being given the bread, so was Cain incited by satanic spirit of Jealousy. All rebellion to God's law was born in the Devil, the Ancient Serpent. My question who was behind his fall unless evil and good are eternal and complete one another like light and darkness.

the devil's fall was his own God did not make him do it.

 

[Friend]

“Come up Here!”

Jesus has a mystery and says "the seven lampstands are the seven churches"
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Rev 1:20 “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

Jesus says He "walks among the seven golden lamp stands"​

Rev 2:1“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

Now Jesus is saying He "has the Seven Spirits of God". We see where they come from and where they go.

Rev 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

There is a door open in heaven and a Voice like a trumpet "Says Come Up Here"
"After These Things"

Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.

After a reception of lightning and thunder Seven Lamps of Fire appear in front of the throne; and look what it says they are. Now the lamps that were on earth are before the throne, and do you remember what Jesus said the lamps were: that's right He said they were the churches; But now they are being called the Seven Spirits of God. And it just keeps getting better.

Rev 4:5 Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God

Let's do a little review: Jesus said that the seven golden lamps on earth are the churches. Then after a voice like the sound of trumpet says come up here, and after a reception of lightning and thunder coming out from the throne: now the seven lamps are in heaven, but now they are being called the Seven Spirit of God. So you can look at the previous verse to see that it's all true. But move forward is the greatest thing we could ever see. So now we know the Seven Spirits of God are the Seven Churches.

Rev 5:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, that were sent out into all the earth.

So there we have it. The greatest thing one could ever imagine: Right there is the Head of the
Lamb are Seven Eyes that are the Seven Spirits of God that were sent to ALL THE EARTH.
So We are on The Throne Just As Jesus Promised We would be. Therefore, We are Raptured off of the Earth and seated on Our throne, Immediately before all the Murder and Mayhem begins.

Below is the Promise.

Rev 3:21-22 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to Him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Dan 7:13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, One like a Son of Man was coming on the clouds of heaven. And He came up to be presented before the Ancient of Days.

People ask where the Rapture is in the old Testament. It's in the Little Book/Daniel where we see many aspects of Revelations.

Rev 3:22 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.’” ​