If Scripture says God is a God of Justice then why is there so much INjustice?

[oldethennew]

MICAH 6:8.
He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does The LORD require of you, but to do justly,
and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?

for hub and myself, on an 'individual/personal basis', we were from the beginning, and still are,
after our conversion, 'convicted' to do justly in every matter that we encounter, this is the 'duty'
of the ones who are members of 'God's-Family'...and of course, 'the world will never take heed
of these Holy requirements, because they serve their 'un-holy-master';
as it is written:
11COR. 4:4.
In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest The Light of The Glorious Gospel of Christ, Who is The Image of God, should shine unto them.

and so, 'those who SERVE THE GOOD MASTER', their 'goal will always be to do justly and good',
and only desire to fulfill Jesus Christ's Holy requirements - but, those who serve 'the evil master',
only desire to fulfill his evil requirements -
ones fruits always bears witness to whom your heart belongs/serves...

 

[saintrose]

This is a very vexxing question I don't believe there is a direct Biblical answer to as far as propositions go.

Yet there is a clear answer to the question in the gospel, justice is delivered in the cross. The righteous see the cross and marvel at a God so loving as to initiate forgiveness while we were in full rebellion.

The wicked see the cross and it chafes them, they question and mock and will find themselves receiving due punishment.

Other than the gospel, which is answer enough to injustice in my eyes, there is also the invitation to struggle with the question with men like Job and Habakkuk. To wrestle with it in a personal way not simply theosophizing but get in the nitty gritty and really struggle. God's reply to Job can be difficult to accept, but to me it is so satisfying to see Job first confronted with his lack of perspective and then vindicated that his protests were not without warrant.

We see through a glass darkly and we must trust that God knows what He is doing with it all even when we can't see the justice in it.

Thanks for bringing that verse to mind: Now we see through a glass darkly. A relative who is a supposed Christian did something horrendously evil. I have begged God to remove her but He hasn't. I have begged God to exact justice and it seems as if she does wicked things and skates off. She's actually repulsive and I cannot understand God. I have wrestled with Him but I never get to a point of peace. The best i can do is put it out of my mind.

 

[saintrose]

MICAH 6:8.
He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does The LORD require of you, but to do justly,
and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?

for hub and myself, on an 'individual/personal basis', we were from the beginning, and still are,
after our conversion, 'convicted' to do justly in every matter that we encounter, this is the 'duty'
of the ones who are members of 'God's-Family'...and of course, 'the world will never take heed
of these Holy requirements, because they serve their 'un-holy-master';
as it is written:
11COR. 4:4.
In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest The Light of The Glorious Gospel of Christ, Who is The Image of God, should shine unto them.

and so, 'those who SERVE THE GOOD MASTER', their 'goal will always be to do justly and good',
and only desire to fulfill Jesus Christ's Holy requirements - but, those who serve 'the evil master',
only desire to fulfill his evil requirements -
ones fruits always bears witness to whom your hBeart belongs/serves...

That's one of my fav sayings from Scripture. What I have struggled with is why God doesn't SHOW us justice. Scripture says "WHEN THE WICKED ARE CUT OFF YOU WILL SEE IT." But this has not proven true. Why?

 

[SoulWeaver]

This is something that troubles me and I cannot seem to get to a place of rest within my spirit. I believe the bible but so much doesn't seem true - such as Scripture saying God is a God of Justice and yet I see injustice all around me. I have also cried out for justice numerous times and yet still I see evildoers apparently prosper.

I've seen this up close too: evil people who God could have easily taken out yet He leaves them to continue doing wickedness. I know someone who has caused so many people a lot of grief yet God keeps her here. I don't usually pray for someone's death but I have prayed for her death.

Can anyone share how they came to terms with what the bible says vs what they're SEEING?

Righteous men are often taken to avoid evil and suffering:

Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

Evil men may be left to live longer in God's longsuffering to give them space to repent:

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

God lets people have the fill of their iniquity until it is ripe for judgment:

Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Joel 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

The book of Ecclesiastes speaks on a lot of the points that you are describing, maybe you will find answer there.

Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

As to why, I don't have the answer for myself either. Maybe to make us realize how vain and ridiculous labor this life is and that we don't really want to live in it? That seems to me to be the conclusion and leitmotif of the whole book. But who knows?

 

[oldethennew]

sr,
ECC. 12:14.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
hub and myself have been 'wicked', and guess what, He did 'cut us OFF', we suffered greatly because of our
evil behavior, not only did He show us, but He allowed us to 'suffer' for our discretions = this is just a part
of our personal witness', but, on a 'grand-overview, the 'wicked have NOT been cut-off as of yet,
REV. 21:8.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,
and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the 'second death'.
this fulfills,
PRO. 2:22.
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

 

[pottersclay]

Racism, unjust, ECT all speaks of God's truth....that there is evil and it produces death.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Thanks for bringing that verse to mind: Now we see through a glass darkly. A relative who is a supposed Christian did something horrendously evil. I have begged God to remove her but He hasn't. I have begged God to exact justice and it seems as if she does wicked things and skates off. She's actually repulsive and I cannot understand God. I have wrestled with Him but I never get to a point of peace. The best i can do is put it out of my mind.

That's always a tough situation, especially when we see such things from supposed believers.

Yet I think the answer still rests in the cross.

There are those who see the cross, realize the price paid and honor it through allowing Christ to transform them.

Then there are those who see the cross, see it as a get-out of jail free card and are rightly condemned by it. These are especially vile individuals because they not only are willing to have an innocent suffer in their place but take pleasure in it. They will surely hear "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. "

 

[SoulWeaver]

This is a very vexxing question I don't believe there is a direct Biblical answer to as far as propositions go.

Yet there is a clear answer to the question in the gospel, justice is delivered in the cross. The righteous see the cross and marvel at a God so loving as to initiate forgiveness while we were in full rebellion.

The wicked see the cross and it chafes them, they question and mock and will find themselves receiving due punishment.

Other than the gospel, which is answer enough to injustice in my eyes, there is also the invitation to struggle with the question with men like Job and Habakkuk. To wrestle with it in a personal way not simply theosophizing but get in the nitty gritty and really struggle. God's reply to Job can be difficult to accept, but to me it is so satisfying to see Job first confronted with his lack of perspective and then vindicated that his protests were not without warrant.

We see through a glass darkly and we must trust that God knows what He is doing with it all even when we can't see the justice in it.

This recalls a story to mind.............

Once upon a time, there was a farmer.
One day, his horse ran away from the herd and got lost in the forest.
"That's a pity!" said his neighbors when they found out.
"Maybe," responded the farmer.

The next day, the horse returned.
Not only that, but he brought a beautiful wild horse along his side.
"What a blessing!" exclaimed the neighbors when they saw.
"Maybe," responded the farmer.

The next day, the farmer's son tried to break the wild horse.
The horse was too much and the young man ended up with a broken leg.
"What a tragedy!" grieved their neighbors.
"Maybe," responded the farmer.

The next day, the government officials were drafting young men for war.
Since the farmer's son had broken his leg, they left him at home.
"That was lucky!" remarked the neighbors.
"Maybe," responded the farmer.

 

[Magenta]

Unfortunately God allows evildoers to continue doing evil, and justice is reserved for the future when God judges the evildoers. Rarely (if ever) does God intervene immediately in the present.

What about 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7?

 

[Nehemiah6]

What about 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7?

That's in chapter one, and points to the Second Coming of Christ. And of course, accounts will be settled at that time.

 

[Magenta]

That's in chapter one, and points to the Second Coming of Christ. And of course, accounts will be settled at that time.

What's in chapter one? Evil is being restrained right now and at all times according to 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7.

And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way.

Saying "Rarely (if ever) does God intervene" seems quite a bit off the mark according to that.

 

[garee]

This is something that troubles me and I cannot seem to get to a place of rest within my spirit. I believe the bible but so much doesn't seem true - such as Scripture saying God is a God of Justice and yet I see injustice all around me. I have also cried out for justice numerous times and yet still I see evildoers apparently prosper.

Take Nancy Pelosi - one of the most evil politicians yet why is she still alive? Why didn't she die of the coronavirus, or why hasn't God removed her - He leaves her here to continue her wickedness. I've seen this up close too: evil people who God could have easily taken out yet He leaves them to continue doing wickedness. I know someone who has caused so many people a lot of grief yet God keeps her here. I don't usually pray for someone's death but I have prayed for her death.

Can anyone share how they came to terms with what the bible says vs what they're SEEING?

I would offer.

Christians SEE as the our father in heaven works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure . Christians do not walk after the natural course. No faith. Out of sight out of mind .

In this corrupted world God from heaven continues to reveal his wrath (a dying creation sufferings the wage of sin the first death. .The wrath that began in the garden according to the letter seen .You shall surely die.

Christians have had their new eyes and ears opened to hear the will of God (words of a book). and in hearing are strengthened to do it. Called the law of faith. (the unseen eternal )

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Therefore the letter of the law "Death" as the justice of God must be mixed faith. Faith another "unseen law" that works in those who are given His faith so we can believe. Together they make one perfect or complete law . The just and the justifier .The father and Son working as one .

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Apart from each other, death .

Again two laws to make one perfect or complete .This shows us Christ working in us, a must. They together do all the work of converting our new souls .

If he has begun begun his good work of justice (work of faith) he will finish them in us strengthening us making our burden lighter (Sabbath rest) until our last day on earth (Philippian 1:6)

Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

 

[garee]

The fact is that God is not directly intervening in the affairs of men at this time. Rather, He has given the Church the mandate to preach the Gospel to every creature, and in all the nations. Those who believe are saved. Those who do not believe are damned (Mk 16:15,16). Judgment will come only after the Second Coming of Christ.

On the other hand, God has allowed Satan to control and influence the evildoers until the Second Coming of Christ. And one of the greatest evils is the injustice which is all around us. And things will get worse until the Antichrist takes control for 3 1/2 years.

If there was true justice in America, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Nadler, Waters, etc. and all the Deep State operatives from the Obama administration would have been behind bars a long time ago. But they are all free, and continue to do their evil deeds, while the weak and ineffective RINOs look on.

Take the example of Nancy Pelosi. When she publicly tore up the SOTU address after Trump finished, she committed a felony. Which means that the Attorney General should have had her arrested immediately, tried, and convicted. The same applied to Schumer when he threatened Supreme Court justices with assassinations (veiled threats). But the AG is not as tough as he makes himself out to be, otherwise he would have cleaned out the DOJ and the FBI by now, and put these criminal politicians behind bars.

The judgement is here. . called the letter of the law "death ' The ongoing wrath of God is being revealed from heaven. Dying creatures under the letter of the law. "death" .

God continually, directly intervenes in the affairs of men .Some murmur .

But our God who does work in us promises better things than murmuring Things that accompany salvation .The promise he will not forget the good works he works in us with us making our burden lighter

Again the "living commandment" and not just a "good suggestion" is perform His will. . without murmurings and disputings:

Philippians 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

 

[Nehemiah6]

Saying "Rarely (if ever) does God intervene" seems quite a bit off the mark according to that.

We were discussing direct intervention by God in present injustice. Take Michael Flynn's case as an example.

 

[Kemorean]

Prime examples of evildoers. Why are these people walking while others don't? It's more involved than what you have presented (what you have been 'told' to believe. I suggest you read Henry Makow - it will take some time to go through his site to understand who really controls America) But it's still the same concept - evildoers getting away with evil.

The scriptures say that.."Satan was a liar and a murderer from the beginning." With all of the blatant lies coming from the leftist, Marxist, fake news and the high demonic sacrament of the murder of the innocents, abortion being legalized..Satan is trying to control America.

 

[garee]

What's in chapter one? Evil is being restrained right now and at all times according to 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7.

And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way.

Saying "Rarely (if ever) does God intervene" seems quite a bit off the mark according to that.

I would agree he works daily continually in the believer to both will and do his good purpose. Without him we can do nothing. it Is God who does make our hearts soft .In that way he is of one mind and always does whatsoever his own soul pleases .

He must increase as we decrease. He will not share his unseen glory with corrupted flesh and blood of mankind. Of his own flesh he informs us it profits for zero

 

[tantalon]

That's one of my fav sayings from Scripture. What I have struggled with is why God doesn't SHOW us justice. Scripture says "WHEN THE WICKED ARE CUT OFF YOU WILL SEE IT." But this has not proven true. Why?

There is coming a day when God will judge ALL unrighteousness. Meanwhile, we are not in any position to be judges of people's HEARTS nor to set anyone at nought, nor wish God would send fire down from heaven and consume them. You and I are required to pray for the lost and for each other, not question God or wish for his judgement right now. That will come soon enough but on that day he has appointed.

 

[Dan_473]

Thanks for bringing that verse to mind: Now we see through a glass darkly. A relative who is a supposed Christian did something horrendously evil. I have begged God to remove her but He hasn't. I have begged God to exact justice and it seems as if she does wicked things and skates off. She's actually repulsive and I cannot understand God. I have wrestled with Him but I never get to a point of peace. The best i can do is put it out of my mind.

What did she do?