If sin is not imputed without the law, how can some claim that babies and children die because Adam's sin is imputed to them?

[sawdust]

Everybody dies for THEIR OWN SIN (Deut 24:16). Everything else is nothing but "Theology" which is like noses. Everybody's got one.

We have exactly the SAME NATURE that Adam, Jesus, and everybody else had / has. - a HUMAN nature that never changed.

Yes and that nature comes from our soul but the sin nature resides in our body. Adam was created and Christ was born without that law in their flesh, what we call the sin nature.

Romans 7:23
But I see a different law in my members waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that is in my members.

We are all born wrong (an inherited corruption in our flesh) and as such a righteous God cannot enter a relationship with us without compromising His integrity (His word), hence we are also born spiritually dead (body and soul only) which is why we must be born from above.

 

[PaulThomson]

The fear of death is the souls response to the sin nature (the other law in our bodies), it is not the sin nature itself.

YOu may believe so. I would say that the fear of death is the soul's response to the possibility of one's life ending.

 

[GWH]

Yes and that nature comes from our soul but the sin nature resides in our body. Adam was created and Christ was born without that law in their flesh, what we call the sin nature.

Romans 7:23
But I see a different law in my members waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that is in my members.

We are all born wrong (an inherited corruption in our flesh) and as such a righteous God cannot enter a relationship with us without compromising His integrity (His word), hence we are also born spiritually dead (body and soul only) which is why we must be born from above.

Human nature was created good but not perfect, and moral perfection should be every Christian’s goal (Philippians 3:12-15). However, all humans sin (except Jesus who had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life per Hebrews 5:8-9),
and every sinner has the opportunity to repent/have saving faith. (Romans 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16-17, 5:8-19)

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Gen 2:15-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: Of every
tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of knowledge of
good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of it, you shall
die.

The first thing to point out is that in order for his maker's warning to
resonate in the man's thinking; it had to be related to death as he
understood death in his own day rather than death as modern Sunday
school classes construe it in their day. In other words: the man's concept of
death was primitive, i.e. normal and natural rather than allegorical, spiritual,
and/or philosophical.

Mankind was created in the image and likeness of God, so I think it safe to
assume he came into existence with perpetual youth. As far as can be
known from scripture, no other form of life was created in the image and
likeness of God, so I think it safe to assume the animal kingdom and the
world of vegetation was all meant to be expendable.

That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around the man by means of vegetation, birds, bugs, and beasts so that
it wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for the man seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in his everyday life.

So I think we can be reasonably confident that the man was up to speed on
at least the natural aspects of death and fully understood that if he went
ahead and tasted the forbidden fruit that his body would lose its perpetual
youth and end up drying in the sun like road kill; so to speak.
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[PaulThomson]

We are all born wrong (an inherited corruption in our flesh) and as such a righteous God cannot enter a relationship with us without compromising His integrity (His word),

This seems quite at odds with the evidence of scripture. When Adam and Eve sinned, God's integrity was not compromised by seeking out Adam and Eve and interacting with them. When Cain slew Abel, God's integrity was not compromised by Him seeking out cain to talk through the issue. When Jesus walked among men, His integrity was not compromised by his fellowshipping with sinners, touching lepers and being touched by prostitutes and hypocrites.

I find this view of God as defilable by contact with sinful beings underrates the power of God's holiness, as if His touching anything unclean would defile Him.