If "Soul Sleep" Is Correct Doctrine?

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Do you know the word horama? That is what Jesus called the transfiguration: a spiritual (supernatural) vision.

Y'all act like Peter thinking Moses and Elijah were actually there.

And where exactly do you think Moses had been hanging out with Jesus? In heaven?

Jesus said in John 3 v 13, "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man."


I always understood that when a Christian dies, their body is laid to rest and the soul or spirit goes to God. "Absent from the body, present with the Lord" - not in soul sleep.

Just because the transfiguration was a vision doesn't mean that the real Moses was asleep - not his soul or spirit anyway, just his physical body. I mean, he was represented as being fully conscious and talking to the Lord Jesus as if they see each other all the time. Not hugging each other and saying I've missed you so much. lol! Why would they represent him as conscious unless he was indeed conscious and with God? If the reality was that his soul or spirit were asleep and not conscious, wouldn't they have represented Moses as such? I don't think so.

In terms of John 3:13, you have a real bad habit of isolating verses that changes the original meaning of the verse away from the passage it belongs to.

This is John 3:13 -
13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

If you isolate it, it sounds like no one else has ever gone into heaven, just the Lord Jesus.

But PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE PASSAGE it comes from:

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

I highlighted in orange what the Lord Jesus was referring to when He said John 3:13. He's talking about who can speak on heavenly things - no one who has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven - the Son of Man, is only one that can speak on such heavenly things.

It doesn't say that no one else's soul or spirit can go to heaven. Jeez... :rolleyes:


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Jeez Louise. Nobody said nobody could ever go to heaven. Is your comprehension always so lacking?

Any ways, I believe what Jesus said even if you don't.


I just showed you in my post the real meaning of the verse you used to prop up a false teaching. I do believe what Jesus actually said in the Bible, only I don't change their meaning to fit a false doctrine or teaching like you often do.


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Why does the Bible explain "you shall surely die" Genesis 2:17, "For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” Gen. 3:19 in the book of Genesis, why does the book of Genesis explain these details in the first place? Why does Genesis explain nothing about we really don't die?
 
The parable was not literal.
It was teaching a principle.

Where in the account does it say that the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable??
Don't bother looking your will not find it identified as a parable in the Bible.. Other parables where clearlyidentified as parrables in the Bible.. Parables started usually with the following::

(Matthew 13:18) "¶ Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower."

(Matthew 13:33) "¶ Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."


The story of Lazarus starts this way..

(Luke 16:19-20) "¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: {20} And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,"

Never identified as a Parable..
 
Okay, Jesus had not been to heaven since His death, so it was impossible for Jesus to be with the thief in Heaven on Friday or any time after His dead for at lest 24 hours. I think you understand the facts shown in the events.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

The thing that I find so sad is that there are multiple bible verses to plainly back up soul sleep. And a few verses that people twist to support that the soul live forever. But people will believe what they want to believe.

Soul sleep is biblical but to teach that the soul can not die is spiritualism and devilish.

Gen 3:2-5
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Who will you believe??
.... God said you will die.
....the devil said you will not surely die.
How did he placeee his blooood on the altarrrr Ouch shoullder