If you have Jesus Christ - Father, Son & Holy Ghost [Each 3 distinct persons] - You can overcome!

[LightBearer316]

If you have Jesus Christ — that means you have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, right?


Each are three distinct Persons, yet one God in perfect unity — not three gods, and not one person morphing into different forms like a Transformer toy. Scripture shows all three acting together at once:

• At Christ’s baptism, the Son stood in the water, the Spirit descended like a dove, and the Father’s voice spoke from heaven (Matthew 3:16–17 KJV).
• Jesus prayed to the Father, not to Himself (John 17:1 KJV).
• The Holy Spirit is called “another Comforter” — another meaning distinct, yet equal (John 14:16–17 KJV).

When a believer has Christ, they have the fullness of the Godhead (Colossians 2:9–10 KJV).
But God is not one Person playing three roles — He is one Being in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Now you can overcome any hardship... 2 Timothy 2:3 Though therefor endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
Grace and peace

 

[LightBearer316]

As an aside - Babes in Christ always be on the lookout for the Oneness Pentecostalism (often called the “Jesus Only” movement) uses very familiar Christian terms like “Jesus,” “baptism,” and “Holy Spirit,” but means something very different by them.

What “Oneness” or “Jesus Only” Teaches

Oneness Pentecostalism denies the Trinity.
Instead, it teaches that God is one Person who simply appears or manifests in different modes — sometimes as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit.

So rather than believing in one God who exists eternally as three distinct Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), Oneness theology claims those three are just titles or roles of one single divine Person — Jesus.

That’s why they’re often called “Jesus Only” — because they baptize and pray only in the name of Jesus, rejecting the Trinitarian formula “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19 KJV).

What They Believe About Baptism

Oneness groups (like the United Pentecostal Church International, or UPCI) teach that:

• You must be baptized in Jesus’ name only (not the Trinitarian formula),
• And you must speak in tongues as evidence of salvation.

They view baptism as part of the process that causes salvation — not as a symbol of faith.
So in their system, a person isn’t fully saved until they’ve:

1. Repented,
2. Been baptized “in Jesus’ name,” and
3. Spoken in tongues.

That’s why it’s sometimes called the “Acts 2:38 doctrine.”

Why It’s Considered Heresy

1. Denies the Trinity
   • The Bible shows the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct Persons who exist simultaneously, not as one Person shifting forms (e.g., Matthew 3:16–17, John 14:16, 2 Corinthians 13:14).
   • Denying this distorts the very nature of God.
2. Distorts the Gospel
   • Scripture teaches we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV), not by baptismal formulas or outward signs.
   • Baptism is a symbol of salvation, not the cause of it (Romans 6:3-4 KJV; 1 Peter 3:21 KJV — “not the putting away of the filth of the flesh…”).
3. Reinterprets Key Verses
   • They build nearly everything on Acts 2:38, ignoring other clear passages like Acts 10:43-48, Ephesians 1:13, and Romans 10:9-10 where faith precedes baptism.

The Orthodox (Biblical) View
The historic Christian position since the first century has always been:

One God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

• The Father is not the Son.
• The Son is not the Spirit.
• Yet all three are one in essence and nature — the one true God.

Salvation comes by faith in Christ alone, through His finished work on the cross — not by water, not by formula, and not by speaking in tongues.

In Short
Oneness Pentecostalism / “Jesus Only”

• Denies the Trinity.
• Makes baptismal wording a condition for salvation.
• Adds works and rituals to the gospel.

That’s why it’s considered a serious doctrinal error — a heresy — by virtually all orthodox Christian traditions (Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox alike).

Grace and Peace

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But God is not one Person playing three roles — He is one Being in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

If it's 3 co-equal persons, how come Jesus said his father was greater than he was? And in the end the son will subject his kingdom and himself to the father

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28​

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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28​

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And if the holy spirit is a person, how come it is never described as a person, but always as an animal (dove), or something inanimate like fire, wind, eyes, a voice, etc?

 

[LightBearer316]

If it's 3 co-equal persons, how come Jesus said his father was greater than he was? And in the end the son will subject his kingdom and himself to the father

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28​

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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28​

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And if the holy spirit is a person, how come it is never described as a person, but always as an animal (dove), or something inanimate like fire, wind, eyes, a voice, etc?

This is a classic Oneness / subordination misunderstanding of the Trinity. You are quoting John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:28 to argue that Jesus isn’t equal to the Father and that the Holy Spirit isn’t a “person.”

You’re quoting verses about role and relationship, not nature or essence.

When Jesus said “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28 KJV), He was speaking from His incarnate position as the Son — having “made Himself of no reputation” and “taken upon Him the form of a servant” (Philippians 2:6-8 KJV). In His humanity, He voluntarily submitted to the Father’s will. That submission shows perfect obedience, not inferiority of nature.

Likewise, 1 Corinthians 15:28 describes the Son’s functional submission at the end of redemptive history, when He delivers the kingdom back to the Father. It doesn’t mean the Son stops being divine — it shows the order within the Godhead. The Father sends, the Son redeems, the Spirit applies. Equality of essence; distinction of role.

As for the Holy Spirit, He’s absolutely described in personal terms throughout Scripture:

• He speaks (Acts 13:2 KJV),
• He teaches and reminds (John 14:26 KJV),
• He intercedes (Romans 8:26 KJV),
• He can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30KJV).

Those are personal actions, not metaphors for an impersonal force.
The Spirit may appear symbolically as a dove or fire, but those are manifestations, not definitions of His being — just as the Son appeared as a man yet remains fully God.

So the Bible’s witness is consistent:

One God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons — Father, Son, and Holy Ghost — each distinct in role, united in essence.​

Grace and peace.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do persons have to have a body?

 

[LightBearer316]

Do persons have to have a body?

That’s a common follow-up question from Oneness or anti-Trinitarian thinkers — they equate personhood with having a physical body, which is a category error. No — personhood doesn’t depend on having a body.

God is spirit (John 4:24 KJV), not flesh and bone. The Father has never had a body, yet He speaks, loves, wills, sends, and judges — all actions of a conscious personal being. The Son took on a body at the incarnation (John 1:14 KJV), but His personhood existed long before that (John 17:5 KJV).

Likewise, the Holy Ghost is spirit and still fully personal — He teaches (John 14:26 KJV), guides (John 16:13 KJV), speaks (Acts 13:2 KJV), and can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30 KJV). None of those traits belong to an impersonal “force.”

So biblically, “person” refers to a center of mind, will, and relational awareness — not to a physical form. The triune God is one Being, existing eternally as three co-equal, co-eternal Persons — without needing three bodies to be real.

Grace and peace.

 

[LightBearer316]

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV):

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”​

To rightly divide the word of truth doesn’t mean to tear Scripture apart or force divisions that don’t exist — it means to harmonize God’s Word accurately, keeping every passage in its proper context and balance. It’s about aligning truth with truth, comparing Scripture with Scripture, and handling the Word with care so its message remains unified and consistent.

Grace and Peace

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV):

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”​

To rightly divide the word of truth doesn’t mean to tear Scripture apart or force divisions that don’t exist — it means to harmonize God’s Word accurately, keeping every passage in its proper context and balance. It’s about aligning truth with truth, comparing Scripture with Scripture, and handling the Word with care so its message remains unified and consistent.

And this can only be done through the active witness of the holy spirit. The proper context is what the spirit says, not what man decides through his many doctrinal filters. Comparing scripture with scripture by itself is a recipe for error. Carnal, religious men love sola scriptura, but God loves scriptura cum spiritus

 

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As an aside - Babes in Christ always be on the lookout for the Oneness Pentecostalism (often called the “Jesus Only” movement) uses very familiar Christian terms like “Jesus,” “baptism,” and “Holy Spirit,” but means something very different by them.

What “Oneness” or “Jesus Only” Teaches

Oneness Pentecostalism denies the Trinity.
Instead, it teaches that God is one Person who simply appears or manifests in different modes — sometimes as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit.

So rather than believing in one God who exists eternally as three distinct Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), Oneness theology claims those three are just titles or roles of one single divine Person — Jesus.

That’s why they’re often called “Jesus Only” — because they baptize and pray only in the name of Jesus, rejecting the Trinitarian formula “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19 KJV).

What They Believe About Baptism

Oneness groups (like the United Pentecostal Church International, or UPCI) teach that:

• You must be baptized in Jesus’ name only (not the Trinitarian formula),
• And you must speak in tongues as evidence of salvation.

They view baptism as part of the process that causes salvation — not as a symbol of faith.
So in their system, a person isn’t fully saved until they’ve:

1. Repented,
2. Been baptized “in Jesus’ name,” and
3. Spoken in tongues.

That’s why it’s sometimes called the “Acts 2:38 doctrine.”

Why It’s Considered Heresy

1. Denies the Trinity
   • The Bible shows the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct Persons who exist simultaneously, not as one Person shifting forms (e.g., Matthew 3:16–17, John 14:16, 2 Corinthians 13:14).
   • Denying this distorts the very nature of God.
2. Distorts the Gospel
   • Scripture teaches we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV), not by baptismal formulas or outward signs.
   • Baptism is a symbol of salvation, not the cause of it (Romans 6:3-4 KJV; 1 Peter 3:21 KJV — “not the putting away of the filth of the flesh…”).
3. Reinterprets Key Verses
   • They build nearly everything on Acts 2:38, ignoring other clear passages like Acts 10:43-48, Ephesians 1:13, and Romans 10:9-10 where faith precedes baptism.

The Orthodox (Biblical) View
The historic Christian position since the first century has always been:

One God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

• The Father is not the Son.
• The Son is not the Spirit.
• Yet all three are one in essence and nature — the one true God.

Salvation comes by faith in Christ alone, through His finished work on the cross — not by water, not by formula, and not by speaking in tongues.

In Short
Oneness Pentecostalism / “Jesus Only”

• Denies the Trinity.
• Makes baptismal wording a condition for salvation.
• Adds works and rituals to the gospel.

That’s why it’s considered a serious doctrinal error — a heresy — by virtually all orthodox Christian traditions (Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox alike).

Grace and Peace

HOW ABOUT JUST LOOKING AT HIS WORD?

When the forerunners of the catholic church started the trinity in the year 325, it sure makes a lot of confusion.

I would love for someone to tell me what the names of those three persons are.

So the question who is right, the so called "oneness" who follow GODS word.

Or the runners of the catholic church who don't?

Did you know Acts 2:38 WAS THE FIRST MESSAGE THAT JESUS PROMISED, THE FOUNDATION?

Sad you don't believe HIS WORD.


JESUS IS GOD, HIS WORD not anyone's opinion.

Letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1,
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.

JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechariah 14:9



There are MORE can you tell us the name of the three gods?

It really helps understand HIS word after HE fills us with the Holy Ghost.

 

[GWH]

If you have Jesus Christ — that means you have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, right?


Each are three distinct Persons, yet one God in perfect unity — not three gods, and not one person morphing into different forms like a Transformer toy. Scripture shows all three acting together at once:

• At Christ’s baptism, the Son stood in the water, the Spirit descended like a dove, and the Father’s voice spoke from heaven (Matthew 3:16–17 KJV).
• Jesus prayed to the Father, not to Himself (John 17:1 KJV).
• The Holy Spirit is called “another Comforter” — another meaning distinct, yet equal (John 14:16–17 KJV).

When a believer has Christ, they have the fullness of the Godhead (Colossians 2:9–10 KJV).
But God is not one Person playing three roles — He is one Being in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Now you can overcome any hardship... 2 Timothy 2:3 Though therefor endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
Grace and peace

Re "God is not one Person playing three roles — He is one Being in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.":
The one God relates to human believers three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1=1).

The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Hebrews 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

In order to understand the Trinity, it is helpful to discern which aspect of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements. These divine aspects or “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Galatians 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions per Scripture by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Ephesians 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).

When the Bible uses masculine words for God, it should be understood that only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth (Heb. 2:14-18). Gen 1:26-27 states that both male and female were created in God’s image, referring not to androgyny but to personality, and Jesus said (in Matt. 22:30 & 19:11-12) that there is no marriage and thus no need for sexuality in heaven.

Actually, since the creation also manifests God (Rom. 1:20, cf. John 1:1-3 & Psa. 33:6), in a sense God may be viewed as a “Quadity”. As Paul told the Athenians (Acts 17:28), “In Him we live and move and have our being.” God as Creation is/exists throughout physical reality (called “panentheism”). However, since this mode of revelation is impersonal, it has rightly been de-emphasized by most Christian denominations lest it lead to pantheism.