I'll give you the kingdoms of the world

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The devil took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

He said to him, Luke 4:6, “All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and whomsoever I will give it.”

He looked south to the lifeless waters of the Salt Sea and Egypt. He looked towards the north and east where the Holy City Jerusalem stood and beyond to the great planes of Megiddo and the borders of Lebanon. Then he looked to the west, where the great waters of the Mediterranean Sea washed up on the shores of boundless Islands and nations.

Was the devil’s temptation too fantastic to have been suggested to Jesus? Was this an impossible promise by the tempter? But is it not also remarkable and unthinkable that we have witnessed events in the twentieth century that gave substance to the devil’s temptation? Christians and Jews should have taken the devil’s words seriously. There was a way by which he would become the master of his world.

Before the eyes of the civilized world, beginning in AD 1917 and ending in April 1945, one man would rise from the ashes of a defeated, humiliated, and discouraged Germany. Without resources, authority, and enormous political forces raging against him, the devil’s purposes and passions burned in one man, Adolf Hitler. He would follow the visions of imperial conquest that he came within a hairbreadth of being the ruler of all Europe and final authority and judge of the destinies of the civilized world.

A world of ‘difference stands between Adolph Hitler and Jesus Christ, but one fact gave meaning to Satan’s temptation to Jesus. There was a limit to what Hitler accomplished on his own. And there was a complete plausibility in the tempter’s words to Jesus that there would be no limit to what he could have accomplished if Jesus had bowed down and worshipped him.

The Lord would not pay the devil’s price, but Adolf Hitler did. And there is a man Scriptures refer to as the antichrist waiting in the wings who will be willing to pay the price. Others throughout the generations have been willing to pay the fee that the end does justify the means and that God does not intend us to be too honorable, righteous, and moral about how we get what we want so long as we can claim that we have a good purpose in getting it.

The coming of the antichrist, his high priest, and the tribulation promised by God will have deadly consequences for billions of lost souls.

Signs of the time: Specious “isms,” and man-invented faiths have won many fanatic loyalists. The Christian community has become slow --- acting as though our clocks are the evidence of truth and not the word of God. We live in an age of defection; few there are that will endure. Here’s my question. Has the Christian community become desensitized to the new signs and their significance? Have we failed to warn people sufficiently? And are we adequately instructed them on how to be saved? We know a storm is coming; the signs are all around us. Have our clocks become the evidence of truth and not the word of God?
Your thoughts
 
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The devil took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

He said to him, Luke 4:6, “All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and whomsoever I will give it.”

He looked south to the lifeless waters of the Salt Sea and Egypt. He looked towards the north and east where the Holy City Jerusalem stood and beyond to the great planes of Megiddo and the borders of Lebanon. Then he looked to the west, where the great waters of the Mediterranean Sea washed up on the shores of boundless Islands and nations.

Was the devil’s temptation too fantastic to have been suggested to Jesus? Was this an impossible promise by the tempter? But is it not also remarkable and unthinkable that we have witnessed events in the twentieth century that gave substance to the devil’s temptation? Christians and Jews should have taken the devil’s words seriously. There was a way by which he would become the master of his world.

Before the eyes of the civilized world, beginning in AD 1917 and ending in April 1945, one man would rise from the ashes of a defeated, humiliated, and discouraged Germany. Without resources, authority, and enormous political forces raging against him, the devil’s purposes and passions burned in one man, Adolf Hitler. He would follow the visions of imperial conquest that he came within a hairbreadth of being the ruler of all Europe and final authority and judge of the destinies of the civilized world.

A world of ‘difference stands between Adolph Hitler and Jesus Christ, but one fact gave meaning to Satan’s temptation to Jesus. There was a limit to what Hitler accomplished on his own. And there was a complete plausibility in the tempter’s words to Jesus that there would be no limit to what he could have accomplished if Jesus had bowed down and worshipped him.

The Lord would not pay the devil’s price, but Adolf Hitler did. And there is a man Scriptures refer to as the antichrist waiting in the wings who will be willing to pay the price. Others throughout the generations have been willing to pay the fee that the end does justify the means and that God does not intend us to be too honorable, righteous, and moral about how we get what we want so long as we can claim that we have a good purpose in getting it.

The coming of the antichrist, his high priest, and the tribulation promised by God will have deadly consequences for billions of lost souls.

Signs of the time: Specious “isms,” and man-invented faiths have won many fanatic loyalists. The Christian community has become slow --- acting as though our clocks are the evidence of truth and not the word of God. We live in an age of defection; few there are that will endure. Here’s my question. Has the Christian community become desensitized to the new signs and their significance? Have we failed to warn people sufficiently? And are we adequately instructed them on how to be saved? We know a storm is coming; the signs are all around us. Have our clocks become the evidence of truth and not the word of God?
Your thoughts
thoughts,

have you got any commandments you would like to give us
 
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Another thought

I once remember a similar poster

He would often finish with why we should doubt are own actions with a worrying story before.

After he posted his long stories he would not answer anyone.

Every story was more or less the same.
 

Cameron143

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All Christians in all generations have an obligation to share the gospel. You seem to believe history is coming to a conclusion. Whether it is or not, everyone needs to be saved during their time here on earth. And time isn't promised to anyone.
My view is we ought always to be preaching the gospel. If that requires words, then, by all means, use them.
 

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Has the Christian community become desensitized to the new signs and their significance? Have we failed to warn people sufficiently? And are we adequately instructed them on how to be saved? We know a storm is coming; the signs are all around us. Have our clocks become the evidence of truth and not the word of God?
Your thoughts
There’s too much false doctrine being taught. :(
 
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All Christians in all generations have an obligation to share the gospel. You seem to believe history is coming to a conclusion. Whether it is or not, everyone needs to be saved during their time here on earth. And time isn't promised to anyone.
My view is we ought always to be preaching the gospel. If that requires words, then, by all means, use them.
I doubt that will be enough,

As you say we all need to share the gospel 🙂

I do like talking about other points too

All tho I guess I should like repeaters too.

fanatics can be fun that's what I say 🙂

Different strokes for different folks.

The meaty workers verses the milky workers

Here's some real meat for the milkers lol


But Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me,
the Lord has forgotten me.”

The lord said


15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast
and have no compassion on the child she has borne?
Though she may forget,
I will not forget you!
16 See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands;

Your children hasten back,
and those who laid you waste depart from you.
18 Lift up your eyes and look around;
all your children gather and come to you.
As surely as I live,” declares the Lord,
“you will wear them all as ornaments;
you will put them on, like a bride.
 

Nehemiah6

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The devil took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
The Bible says that Satan is "the god (small g) of this world". How did he manage that?

He presented all human beings with false religions, false gods (demons), and idols. And he is behind all of them. And the whole world went into idolatry. There was not a single civilization that did not practice false religion and worship false gods.

And even after God raised up the Israelites to be a special people who would only worship the one true God, they too went into idolatry. The narrative of the Golden Calf is shocking. Now the apostle John is telling all Christians "Little children, keep yourselves from idols".

Today there are various ideologies swirling round the world and dragging people into evil. But they too are false religions when you come right down to it. Christians must reject them all and expose them for what they are.
 

Cameron143

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I doubt that will be enough,

As you say we all need to share the gospel 🙂

I do like talking about other points too

All tho I guess I should like repeaters too.

fanatics can be fun that's what I say 🙂

Different strokes for different folks.

The meaty workers verses the milky workers

Here's some real meat for the milkers lol


But Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me,
the Lord has forgotten me.”

The lord said


15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast
and have no compassion on the child she has borne?
Though she may forget,
I will not forget you!
16 See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands;

Your children hasten back,
and those who laid you waste depart from you.
18 Lift up your eyes and look around;
all your children gather and come to you.
As surely as I live,” declares the Lord,
“you will wear them all as ornaments;
you will put them on, like a bride.
Isaiah is always a good read. And God is always found faithful.
My concern was that it shouldn't take the end of the world for God's people to share the good news of Christ. And even if history is drawing to a close, people will die before it does. For them, the end of the world has already come.
 
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Isaiah is always a good read. And God is always found faithful.
My concern was that it shouldn't take the end of the world for God's people to share the good news of Christ. And even if history is drawing to a close, people will die before it does. For them, the end of the world has already come.
possibly the position the poster is in lol.

I hope he does an Elvis Presley soon 😉
 

p_rehbein

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He looked south to the lifeless waters of the Salt Sea and Egypt. He looked towards the north and east where the Holy City Jerusalem stood and beyond to the great planes of Megiddo and the borders of Lebanon. Then he looked to the west, where the great waters of the Mediterranean Sea washed up on the shores of boundless Islands and nations.
Is there a Scripture that says this?
 

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A great many German people before Hitler were Christians. Adolph Hitler made monsters of them. England, France, Canada, and most of the smaller European nations as well as Russia have fallen away from the Christian faith, and so has half the population of America. Satan's traps and his snares have been set, and many are being caught up in them.

P rehbein the answer to your question, is there any Scripture that says this? Not the way I wrote it, but it does say in Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; and then said unto him, all these things will I give thee, if you will fall down and worship me."

One more comment, for one moment take you thoughts off of yourselves, and think of those who hunger for the word, but are being ignored. Go to those who do not know Christ, not those who are already saved. No matter where I go, the minute people around me hear us speaking of the Bible, 90% of the time, they will ask me a question about something that's bothering them.
 
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A great many German people before Hitler were Christians. Adolph Hitler made monsters of them. England, France, Canada, and most of the smaller European nations as well as Russia have fallen away from the Christian faith, and so has half the population of America. Satan's traps and his snares have been set, and many are being caught up in them.

P rehbein the answer to your question, is there any Scripture that says this? Not the way I wrote it, but it does say in Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; and then said unto him, all these things will I give thee, if you will fall down and worship me."

One more comment, for one moment take you thoughts off of yourselves, and think of those who hunger for the word, but are being ignored. Go to those who do not know Christ, not those who are already saved. No matter where I go, the minute people around me hear us speaking of the Bible, 90% of the time, they will ask me a question about something that's bothering them.
theres a conspiracy forum for fiction
 

Gideon300

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The devil took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

He said to him, Luke 4:6, “All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and whomsoever I will give it.”

He looked south to the lifeless waters of the Salt Sea and Egypt. He looked towards the north and east where the Holy City Jerusalem stood and beyond to the great planes of Megiddo and the borders of Lebanon. Then he looked to the west, where the great waters of the Mediterranean Sea washed up on the shores of boundless Islands and nations.

Was the devil’s temptation too fantastic to have been suggested to Jesus? Was this an impossible promise by the tempter? But is it not also remarkable and unthinkable that we have witnessed events in the twentieth century that gave substance to the devil’s temptation? Christians and Jews should have taken the devil’s words seriously. There was a way by which he would become the master of his world.

Before the eyes of the civilized world, beginning in AD 1917 and ending in April 1945, one man would rise from the ashes of a defeated, humiliated, and discouraged Germany. Without resources, authority, and enormous political forces raging against him, the devil’s purposes and passions burned in one man, Adolf Hitler. He would follow the visions of imperial conquest that he came within a hairbreadth of being the ruler of all Europe and final authority and judge of the destinies of the civilized world.

A world of ‘difference stands between Adolph Hitler and Jesus Christ, but one fact gave meaning to Satan’s temptation to Jesus. There was a limit to what Hitler accomplished on his own. And there was a complete plausibility in the tempter’s words to Jesus that there would be no limit to what he could have accomplished if Jesus had bowed down and worshipped him.

The Lord would not pay the devil’s price, but Adolf Hitler did. And there is a man Scriptures refer to as the antichrist waiting in the wings who will be willing to pay the price. Others throughout the generations have been willing to pay the fee that the end does justify the means and that God does not intend us to be too honorable, righteous, and moral about how we get what we want so long as we can claim that we have a good purpose in getting it.

The coming of the antichrist, his high priest, and the tribulation promised by God will have deadly consequences for billions of lost souls.

Signs of the time: Specious “isms,” and man-invented faiths have won many fanatic loyalists. The Christian community has become slow --- acting as though our clocks are the evidence of truth and not the word of God. We live in an age of defection; few there are that will endure. Here’s my question. Has the Christian community become desensitized to the new signs and their significance? Have we failed to warn people sufficiently? And are we adequately instructed them on how to be saved? We know a storm is coming; the signs are all around us. Have our clocks become the evidence of truth and not the word of God?
Your thoughts
God gave authority over creation to Adam and Eve. Since Satan was on the earth (the Serpent), he was also under the authority of Adam and Eve. It's no wonder that Satan wanted to corrupt Adam, which he duly managed to do.

Since Adam accepted Satan's temptation, disobeying God in the process, he gave his God-given authority to Satan. Satan is unable to do anything concrete by himself. He required a man to carry out his plan and purpose. What was it? It was to create a kingdom in direct opposition to the Kingdom of God.

The tree that Adam ate from was the knowledge of Good and Evil. And that is exactly how the world functions. Ask any sinner. The most likely response is "I am a good person" even if they are a basket case. That is because they believe their motivations to be good. The trouble is that everyone sins and falls short of God's glory, no matter how "good" they are.

Romans 1 gives a brief history of the fall and decline of man. The church is supposed to be salt, a preservative, and light, the beacon of truth to the world that lives in darkness. While we are seeing much of what we call Christian losing the plot, the reality is that much of it was for show anyway.

Three kinds of people go to church, at least in "Christian" countries. They are believers, unbelievers and make-believers. We are seeing the necessary shaking of the church, as judgement begins with the church (1 Peter 4:17). Why? Because the church is the new "temple", made without hands, the dwelling place of God. Who would use mud brick and marble to build a physical temple? So it is that God requires living stones for his spiritual temple.

It is instructive to note how virtually every dictator launches an attack on the church when he comes to power. Satan knows that Christians are the real threat to his kingdom. Satan has had 2,000 years to work out how to undermine the church and so delay the inevitable. But God has His faithful remnant, who are incorruptible. As the world grows darker, these believers shine brighter.

I believe that it is time for the unbelievers to choose one way or the and for make believers to get real with God. The storm is coming and those built on the wrong foundation will be washed away. Jesus is building His Church. We shall prevail!
 

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The devil took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of
the world in a moment of time.
I'm a little puzzled about transportation in that scene. The Devil not only
took Jesus to a mountain, but also to a pinnacle of the Temple. (Matt 4:5)

Well, the thing is: the Devil is a spirit being and Jesus is a material being. To
my knowledge of biblical creatures: the construction and density of spirit
beings is comparable to thin air. How do they pick up something solid and
carry it from place to place?
_
 

Adstar

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The devil took Jesus to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

My Thoughts

He said to him, Luke 4:6, “All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and whomsoever I will give it.”

He looked south to the lifeless waters of the Salt Sea and Egypt. He looked towards the north and east where the Holy City Jerusalem stood and beyond to the great planes of Megiddo and the borders of Lebanon. Then he looked to the west, where the great waters of the Mediterranean Sea washed up on the shores of boundless Islands and nations.
Adding to the Word of God or taking away from the Word of God is a serious matter.. People far too often think they can just imagine something up that Jesus did that the Holy Bible never said He did.. As if scriptures are something you can make up on a whim.. Note there is a curse placed upon people who do this in the Book of Revelation.. People who know the scriptures know it..

Was the devil’s temptation too fantastic to have been suggested to Jesus?
If it was Jesus would have made that clear with a quick and dismissive response.. Jesus never said ""You cannot give me what you offer"" or some similar response.. But Jesus said::

(Luke 4:8) "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

There was a way by which he would become the master of his world.
""become the master of this world"" ? He was called the god of this world way back during the times of the Apostles..

(2 Corinthians 4:4) "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
 

10-22-27

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Adding to the Word of God or taking away from the Word of God is a serious matter.. People far too often think they can just imagine something up that Jesus did that the Holy Bible never said He did.. As if scriptures are something you can make up on a whim.. Note there is a curse placed upon people who do this in the Book of Revelation.. People who know the scriptures know it..
Lighten up, I told the story so those unfamiliar with the Scriptures could understand.
 

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Just as Jesus was offered the world by Satan IMO another shall be offered the same and He will become the antichrist.

He said to him, Luke 4:6, “All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and whomsoever I will give it.”
 

Kroogz

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God gave authority over creation to Adam and Eve. Since Satan was on the earth (the Serpent), he was also under the authority of Adam and Eve. It's no wonder that Satan wanted to corrupt Adam, which he duly managed to do.

Since Adam accepted Satan's temptation, disobeying God in the process, he gave his God-given authority to Satan. Satan is unable to do anything concrete by himself. He required a man to carry out his plan and purpose. What was it? It was to create a kingdom in direct opposition to the Kingdom of God.

The tree that Adam ate from was the knowledge of Good and Evil. And that is exactly how the world functions. Ask any sinner. The most likely response is "I am a good person" even if they are a basket case. That is because they believe their motivations to be good. The trouble is that everyone sins and falls short of God's glory, no matter how "good" they are.

Romans 1 gives a brief history of the fall and decline of man. The church is supposed to be salt, a preservative, and light, the beacon of truth to the world that lives in darkness. While we are seeing much of what we call Christian losing the plot, the reality is that much of it was for show anyway.

Three kinds of people go to church, at least in "Christian" countries. They are believers, unbelievers and make-believers. We are seeing the necessary shaking of the church, as judgement begins with the church (1 Peter 4:17). Why? Because the church is the new "temple", made without hands, the dwelling place of God. Who would use mud brick and marble to build a physical temple? So it is that God requires living stones for his spiritual temple.

It is instructive to note how virtually every dictator launches an attack on the church when he comes to power. Satan knows that Christians are the real threat to his kingdom. Satan has had 2,000 years to work out how to undermine the church and so delay the inevitable. But God has His faithful remnant, who are incorruptible. As the world grows darker, these believers shine brighter.

I believe that it is time for the unbelievers to choose one way or the and for make believers to get real with God. The storm is coming and those built on the wrong foundation will be washed away. Jesus is building His Church. We shall prevail!
It is imperative for believers to advance in His plan. To become mature in Christ. God protects His faithful ones.
Genesis 18:26-33
So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.” And Abraham replied, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust and ashes. Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five, will You destroy the whole city because of five?” And He said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” He spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose forty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it on account of the forty.” Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak; suppose thirty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” And he said, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord; suppose twenty are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the twenty.” Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” As soon as He had finished speaking to Abraham the LORD departed, and Abraham returned to his place.