I'm curious to know if there are some on this forum that deny the deity of Jesus Christ?
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It's a great goal, but anyone denying the deity of Jesus is subject to banning. Perhaps you should just make your case.
Well I was not aware of that fact and I've been here about eight years now.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I happened across a woman teaching a Bible study last week after posting her family's reaction to a new puppy. That was real sweet, but I took issue with her claim that Jesus was God, but Not a human being. She denied the humanity of the Lord, so I corrected that and did a study on the Humanity of Christ. I was on a roll and stopped at 7 reasons or I'd be going all day long to prove the obvious.
One thing that I was reminded of was that there were Restorationists who claimed Jesus was not Divine. One religion, Jehovah's False Witnesses deny His bodily resurrection.
There's another Restorationist religion that falsely teaches that Jesus was Michael the Archangel. You've probably heard of the 7th Day Adventists.
First, I want to thank everybody for the "thumbs up." I feel kind of foolish by not knowing that one can get banned on this site if they do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, especially after being here 8 years.
You should know that I've been a Christian for 63 years now and I do frequent three other sites mainly dealing with "apologetics." There are many groups who deny the deity of Jesus Christ such as Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians and many others.
As some of you know these groups/people advance the non-Biblical idea that Jesus Christ is a created being/person like the rest of us. He is considered a man only and He never pre-existed His actual birth. They also quote John 17:3, "And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent." Of course, they often disregard the second part of the verse, "and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent."
Now, here's the question the Lord gave me to ask the other day when I was dealing with a person that denies the deity of Jesus Christ. It's at John 17:5, two verses down from vs3. "And now, glorify Me with Thyself, Father, with the glory I had with Thee before the world was/existed."
I said to myself if Jesus Christ is a man like the rest of us and never pre-existed His birth, and was born between 6 and 4 BCE, how did He know He existed before the world existed? I will be glad to accept any and all answers. I also hope this helps if you should have any dealings with those who deny His deity.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
In His humanity, Jesus was subject to the Father. @bluto asks a good question from John 17:5. What do you make of it? Did Jesus share in the glory of God? Even during His earthly ministry, He received worship and forgave sin. What do you make of these things?
Please, ask me the question.
Ok! How did Jesus Christ know He existed before the world existed at John 17:5?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It is not something everyone knows any more, especially since the site rules disappeared with the platform change in 2018, which oh my goodness, was seven years ago, so that is most of the time you have been here. Many would not know it otherwise because people get banned and it is rarely announced as to why, nor is it encouraged for anyone to ask. When the topic does come up, if I am around, I usually let the other person know as a courtesy to them, and some defy the rules and carry on anyways. Others after knowing simply keep those beliefs to themselves, as there are lots of other things to discuss. Also, a person can state their belief and it is not bannable, but arguing in favour of the view more seems to be, and I have seen a few banned because of it.
Jesus had access to the Old Testament scriptures and would have known them perfectly , if we can recognise him in there then I'm pretty sure that he would have been able to recognise himself , the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and the ram caught in the thicket that was sacrificed by Abraham instead of sacrificing Isaac . God's plan of salvation , in Christ , existed even before Adam and Eve sinned because God always knew that they would sin . God is beyond space and time as we know it and God taught Jesus everything that Jesus needed to know . Jesus received God's Holy Spirit without measure .
1 Corinthians 15 verse 20 and 1 Corinthians 15 verse 45 and 1 Corinthians 15 verse 22 Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam a life-giving spirit. In Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Hmm what gets one in... God so loved the world He gave His only Son and who so ever believes in Him shall not die but have ever lasting life. For God didn't send His son to condemn the world but to save it.
Shall I quote Rom 10 now? Then if you don't believe He is GOD subject to being banned? Ever wonder.. those that don't believe He is God yet do believe He came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day. And got banned lol.. Jesus Is still with them.. odd huh He never left them. They are still His.
Look at the Schools.. PreSchool to collage. Yeah same with the spirit we all grow differently. So relax its about HIM. I have to admit its not something that has really ever come up. He is real... when He comes in. When we spend time with Him at some point His presences comes and you just know that you know that you know He is the I AM
Shall I quote Rom 10 now? Then if you don't believe He is GOD subject to being banned? Ever wonder.. those that don't believe He is God yet do believe He came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day. And got banned lol.. Jesus Is still with them.. odd huh He never left them. They are still His.
Look at the Schools.. PreSchool to collage. Yeah same with the spirit we all grow differently. So relax its about HIM. I have to admit its not something that has really ever come up. He is real... when He comes in. When we spend time with Him at some point His presences comes and you just know that you know that you know He is the I AM