Immigration a big issue.

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kennethcadwell said:
The government is to obey God's plan to, and under our Lord and Savior we are to show love and forgiveness.
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I can't believe how you keep going on with human reasoning, not giving heed to God's word;

Let us obey the word!

And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Num 35:


Moreover ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer, that is guilty of death; but he shall surely be put to death. And ye shall take no ransom for him that is fled to his city of refuge, that he may come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest. So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood, it polluteth the land; and no expiation can be made for the land for the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. And thou shalt not defile the land which ye inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell: for I, Jehovah, dwell in the midst of the children of Israel.

Innocent blood pollutes the land of the USA -- this is not an Israel-only commandment.
 
True forgiveness does not want to see one put to death. That is why you see so many cases of true Christians who have had a family member killed stand before a judge in court pleading to the court not to put the murderer to death.

Atwood said:
The death penalty is a different matter from the victim forgiving the murderer or the victim's friends & relatives forgiving the murderer. The Lord, as Romans 13 tells us, has delegated his vengeance to proper government officials.
He is the one who decided that men shall make the decision on executing the murderer. We may not dream up theories on this, nor sluff off responsibilites he gave us, like : "God told me to dig this hole, but I will sit around & let Him dig it if he so wants it dug."

We have no business telling the Lord what do to about murderers. He has told us, and we must needs obey.

Now what is love? It is love to execute the murderer. That is the best thing we can do for him. He is convicted and knows that he must meet His maker soon. Thus the murderer may turn his attention to repenting & trusting the Lord Jesus as His Savior. The murderer is not tempted to pretend innocence so that he may get out on appeal.

But however we reason it, God's word stands fast. I don't need to quote it again. By this time I hope you know the scripture.
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The best thing we can do for a murderer is not put him to death. The best thing we can do for him is minister to him the word of God, and help him to turn from his evil ways and come to know God and the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Atwood said:
The death penalty is a different matter from the victim forgiving the murderer or the victim's friends & relatives forgiving the murderer. The Lord, as Romans 13 tells us, has delegated his vengeance to proper government officials.
He is the one who decided that men shall make the decision on executing the murderer. We may not dream up theories on this, nor sluff off responsibilites he gave us, like : "God told me to dig this hole, but I will sit around & let Him dig it if he so wants it dug."

We have no business telling the Lord what do to about murderers. He has told us, and we must needs obey.

Now what is love? It is love to execute the murderer. That is the best thing we can do for him. He is convicted and knows that he must meet His maker soon. Thus the murderer may turn his attention to repenting & trusting the Lord Jesus as His Savior. The murderer is not tempted to pretend innocence so that he may get out on appeal.

But however we reason it, God's word stands fast. I don't need to quote it again. By this time I hope you know the scripture.
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Hey man, don't be a bogart dude. Just let in the violent cartels and gang members to live off our welfare, victimize our communities, and take over our prisons. We're only $20 trillion in the hole *inhale*. I'll get my dope cheap... dude. Don't be responsible like Jesus man... just *inhale* do your thing dude.

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Gracias. We thank you from the bottom of our black murderous hearts.
 
Because that way they can take over the prisons as lifers and run murderous prison gangs that murder people inside and outside (via associated criminal street gangs) ensuring REAL reform is seriously impeded across the entire prison system and the streetgang structure outside of prison remains firme`.

Because that way over taxed citizens can be taxed even more ensuring they have a very tough time seeing their children educated properly resulting in more of them becoming criminals who go to prison expanding the problem further.

We had a guy here saunter into a convience store on Halloween night and blow away the clerk for $50.00. Five milion dollars in costs tallied to the taxpayers later, the guy's STILL fighting on appeal.

We have a lot of can't stop won't stop serial murderers on death row here. They laugh and brag about their crimes. They could give two cents and state if they are ever released, they'll keep doing it and when they are not watched very closely they sometimes murder lesser offenders in the prisons they live in.

The only thing they're turning is new inmates into their prison gangs to "put in work."

Executing murderers is scriptural and saves lives. It allows real reform to occur as the black hand of blood in blood out prison gangs is removed from the inmate population.


kennethcadwell said:
The best thing we can do for a murderer is not put him to death. The best thing we can do for him is minister to him the word of God, and help him to turn from his evil ways and come to know God and the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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kennethcadwell said:
Yes it is, and I have felt the Holy Spirit pulling at my heart to start this thread.

It is grieving the Holy Spirit that so many Christians have hatred in their heart instead of living in love, compassion, and caring for the safety of another.
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I believe those are called the religious right. Funny i know because the attitudes they show aren't as christian as the words they parrot back and forth
 
I believe those are called the irresponsible, immoral, codependent left. Funny I know because the attitudes they show aren't as Christian as the words they parrot back and forth.

[video=youtube_share;WSWv6xNQrNw]http://youtu.be/WSWv6xNQrNw[/video]

Nautilus said:
I believe those are called the religious right. Funny i know because the attitudes they show aren't as christian as the words they parrot back and forth
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Yes your video seems enjoyable if one wants to listen to one of Sean Hannity's friend ramble on and on. If you had to pick a conservative mouthpiece you at could have gone with Megyn Kelly, Ainsley Earhardt, Jill DObson or Sandra Smith. Even with their lack of good sense they are at least attractive.
 
Stay close to your friend ad hominem Nautilus, that way you can continue to ignore the rightness of the content and live on that pink cloud of denial you call home.

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Nautilus said:
Yes your video seems enjoyable if one wants to listen to one of Sean Hannity's friend ramble on and on. If you had to pick a conservative mouthpiece you at could have gone with Megyn Kelly, Ainsley Earhardt, Jill DObson or Sandra Smith. Even with their lack of good sense they are at least attractive.
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I dont know if calling a known conservative author a biased source on liberalism would be considered ad hominem. Its like asking a known racist to explain why whites are superior. Its just not a balanced viewpoint.
 
Levin is making a perfectly logical argument and you're ignoring the argument to engage in ad hominem against him.

The simple fact is that you are voting to increase the skyrocketing national debt and diverting money away from law abiding citizens who have children to care for in the middle of a recession and a deteriorating domestic labor market and labor participation rate to feed this Gangs responsible for 80% of crime? | Center for Immigration Studies and this FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime - USATODAY.com

There simply is no way to justify what you liberals are doing and there are going to be serious consequences at some point for your own children as a result of your irresponsible actions.






Nautilus said:
I dont know if calling a known conservative author a biased source on liberalism would be considered ad hominem. Its like asking a known racist to explain why whites are superior. Its just not a balanced viewpoint.
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AgeofKnowledge said:
Murder on the Pipelines: Drug Cartels Turn Texas Oil Routes Into Killing Zones.

Texas-Mexico Oil Pipelines Offer Cover for Smugglers' Violence - Businessweek

Pew Research Report: Nearly 90% of Illegal Immigrant 'Children' Are Teenagers and a large percentage of them are criminal gang members.

Pew Research Report: Nearly 90% of Illegal Immigrant 'Children' Are Teenagers
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Reminds me of Castro 's Mariel boatlift where he emptied his prisons & psych wards for America to accept as political refugees.
 
You should have heard what David Horowitz had to say about what obama is all about. David was raised by communist America haters just like BO. I'd say that's a balanced veiwpoint. There is a concerted effort by this administration to weaken America and this immigration debacle is a means to an end. The thing is that if you look at every American inner city where crime poverty and crappy education systems exist...they are run by....yup you guessed it....the modern day slave masters....the democratic party.
 
[video=youtube;O3H_sR-Jfjc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3H_sR-Jfjc[/video]

Here you go if you need video clips for news.
 
A liberal newscast "spins" the news to conform with their ideology. Nothing more. Let's look at the other side of that equation:

[video=youtube_share;2o5eJIStS3s]http://youtu.be/2o5eJIStS3s[/video]

Mexican and Central American criminal organizations have BIG plans for the U.S. in the coming years. Read:

Mapping the incredible spread of Mexican drug cartels in the U.S.

Mexican drug cartels reportedly dispatching agents deep inside US | Fox News

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wor...-coronel-twins-lancaster-antelope-valley.html

Mexican drug cartels recruiting American children for errands with easy cash: report - NY Daily News

Mexican Drug Cartels Have Infiltrated All Of These US Cities - Business Insider

In the end, you have to pull the statistics. The truth is that "Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials."

FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime - USATODAY.com

"The Center for Immigration Studies reported the growth of gang activity is directly related to the growth of illegal immigration. In fact, the most rapidly-expanding gangs are primarily immigrant-based. Up to 90 percent of some gang membership is illegal alien. Many gangs are already playing pivotal roles alongside drug cartels, in some cases acting as frontline offense as they make their way into the United States. The bottom line is that the United States cannot stop the spread of dangerous gangs into our neighborhoods without addressing immigration. More enforcement and state/local cooperation with federal agencies is imperative. Conversely, anything that amounts to an 'amnesty' would only benefit the gangs and facilitate more crime."

Gangs responsible for 80% of crime? | Center for Immigration Studies

Obviously, a nation that's almost $20 trillion in debt, running a massive increasing annual deficit already dominated by welfare programs with the worst domestic labor market since the Great Depression, should not be adding millions of illegal aliens to welfare rolls which are soon to be scaled back due to the skyrocketing annual interest payments on the debt that by 2020 will exceed all U.S. military annual spending.

Especially since this demographic is presently feeding criminal gangs responsible for 80% of the crime in the U.S. and propagating cartel violence all over the U.S..

And as we stated earlier, a 10-page July 7, 2014 report was issued by the El Paso Intelligence Center (EPIC) which is part of the DEA and incorporates Homeland Security that states:

"homicide trends and migrant interviews suggest violence is likely not the principal factor driving the increase in UAC migration. While CBP data from early fiscal year 2011 indicates a steady increase in OTM and UAC migration, United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) statistics— within this same timeframe— show a decline in per capita homicide rates in these three countries; El Salvador saw the sharpest decline, followed by Honduras and Guatemala, respectively.

The story: Leaked Border Crisis Intel Shreds Narrative from Media and Obama Admin

The report: http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...ICDocument.pdf

Other factors are actually responsible for this sharp increase. Misinformation is:

Report: Misinformation is a key factor in undocumented immigration surge - El Paso Times

Immigrant Surge Fueled by Rumors, Misinformation | The Texas Tribune

But keep living on that irresponsible un-Christ like pink cloud Kenneth if for no other reason so that everyone can see what that looks like.
 
kennethcadwell said:
True forgiveness does not want to see one put to death. That is why you see so many cases of true Christians who have had a family member killed stand before a judge in court pleading to the court not to put the murderer to death.
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And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Num 35:


Moreover ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer, that is guilty of death; but he shall surely be put to death. And ye shall take no ransom for him that is fled to his city of refuge, that he may come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest. So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: forblood, it polluteth the land; and no expiation can be made for the land for the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. And thou shalt not defile the land which ye inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell: for I, Jehovah, dwell in the midst of the children of Israel.

Forget your human speculations.
 
You keep using this scripture from the old testament which does not apply under our Lord's new covenant.

This scripture goes along with all the other curses that God told Moses is to take place for breaking the law/committing a sin.

Our Lord took the punishment for us, and told us in the new covenant to instead forgive, minister, and help them to turn away from their evil deeds. If they do not turn and repent, we are to leave the judgment and vengeance for what they did up to the Lord our God.

Does this mean we have to let them walk around free with out facing justice? NO

Does this mean we can not imprison them for life? NO

Should we have to pay taxes to house and feed them? NO ( Blame the system though, it could be changed to have them fend their own way )

We are told not to let man's philosophies or traditions to interfere with our Lord's word.

Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Then we are told to not get into debates by answering questions on this and other subjects because they are not profitable and they get nowhere because people will always refer to mans philosophies and traditions, and to the old covenant that was made instead of the new covenant that we are under.

Titus 3:9-10 - But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. (Read More...)



Atwood said:
And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Num 35:


Moreover ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer, that is guilty of death; but he shall surely be put to death. And ye shall take no ransom for him that is fled to his city of refuge, that he may come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest. So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: forblood, it polluteth the land; and no expiation can be made for the land for the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. And thou shalt not defile the land which ye inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell: for I, Jehovah, dwell in the midst of the children of Israel.

Forget your human speculations.
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