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Ariel82
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oh...wow.
okay.
well, it's a popular belief.
ancient...but popular.
sigh
my world gets smaller every day.
just when i thought it was safe to come back into the thread....
'tis rough sometimes...
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You have misunderstood the depth of what is said in being free to you do not do what is wrong there is by being free to do it is no longer any excitement for sin takes occassion by the commandment for Paul said you are free from the commandment are you not glad, and this not meant to take or use this freedom as an excuse for the flesh no way no how, yet Ariel to be free from flesh I would have be dead to flesh freed from the commandment of the LAw and thus by God and through God do waht is right automatically and the greatest of the Law is God's type of Love 1 Cor 13 shed abroad in your heart the new life that you recieved that God through the Holy Ghost is tryoing to show each of us that we are translated to the koingdom by Him being freed from the commandments in order to Love all as Jessu had said if we only Love thoise that Love us how are we any differant from the tax collector and or the heathen. Hope youget this Sister
I meantno malice whatsoever
I said they became God's Jesus confirmed while walking this earth and even God said after they ate from that evil tree that they have become like us knowing good and evil and we all are born afterr similitude of adam and Eve this is why it is so important to in our minds by belief die to our flesh selves and come alive in the Spirit of God, because Adam and Eve died to the Spirit of God that day and all after that are Born dead to his spirit with onlky two exceptions that I know of Jesus his son and John the babtist. Anyway Sister Love yoiu and if I am wrong I wiull gladly accept andbe corrected here
Tell me Zone do we as flesh people try to create things and take credit for it? On our own unless we come to belief was not Adam set out of the Garden with Eve to till the ground on thier own to show us our need for the creator shown to us through Christ Jesus (the tree of life) that was still in the Garden and revealed to us as this tree was and is Jesus. Now today we are able to renter that Garden and eat of that tree of life (JESUS CHRIST) having life everlasting in appreciation not taking advantage as would have been if God did not block the entrance to the Garden for it was not time yet for Christ to be revealed
John 10:34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?
Genesis 3:22And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Genesis 3:21-24
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. [SUP]24 [/SUP]After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
They could not eatfrom the treeof liufe atthis time for man would if had eaten from it at that time would have chosen evil selfishness as what is what flesh does always and this is why God condemned all sin to the flesh through the cross and we as flesh need to see this that noflesh in his Sight will ever please him (God) that is
[h=3]Romans 8[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]Life Through the Spirit[/h]8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [SUP]2 [/SUP]because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
You all know this be dead reckon thyself as so so that you will live accordingly to the Spirit and not flesh of this worldly ways of deceit it is God's imputed righteousness that declares truth anbd this is why Paul said He is free and is free to do anything and all things we arew no longer under Law
All things are permissable for me, but not all things are beneficial. Waht does this mean? It means I am free by free choice free to decide what is beneficial and waht is not, therefore I consider my neighbor whether my neighbor believes or not Rolmans 14 a very good considerate eye opener forwe all are differant in our walks and at differrant understandings as we grow in understanding. It is becasue I am free that to do anything that Ihave chosen to what is right by GOD not man. Tell me since I am an ex-alcoholic The world says stay out of the bar, but in being free to still go and perfect love casts out all fear, could God ever call me there to do God's work being available to be used by God? Only being God's vessel as Jesus was, going to where the sick that need a Doctor? The world says no and I will go as lead by the Spirit of truth how about you or are you afraid of the Law, iniquity and so forth or has perfect love delievered you from fear? It is true the begining of Wisdom is Fear of the L
rd God who can kill both Body and Soul and is a great place to start in getting to know God and God's Love never to take advantage of and thus the perfect love takes effect and fear is gone. Because God is the only one that can kill both Body Soul. And God says do not fear the one that can only kill the Body your conscience by getting you to try and obey the Law of GodIf you do not undertstand it is okay God knows my heart and perfect love of God has casted out all fear
Thnks for listening
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Ariel82
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nope people don't care if it is against the law or legal. some people just like to sin. its not doing the forbidden but fleshly satisfaction that cause them to do the sin. therefore you logic is flawed.
the reason why born again people no longer sin is NOT because they are allowed and its not exciting any more, but because the HOLY SPIRIT leads them and they have learned the wisdom in obeying God and the joy in showing the world His love through our thoughts and our actions.
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Ariel82
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no you said they became Gods... you forgot the ' which makes a difference.
sorry for misunderstanding you but i'm glad you meant that they belonged to God and not that they were mini-godlings.
God bless and keep you.
Thank you, for your perspective I stand corrected, yes what you wrote is correct. Wow! also if interested I just wrote on blogger TITLES IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS, and if want to comment please do Iron sharpens iron Sister
I tell you it just takes one little word and it can be taken out of context and not ever fixed, thank you for your faith in God to understand what it is I meant, and for corrrections for they are welcomed
Oh and Zone if interested I posted on my blog titled IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS IT IS LONG I put in a lot of Scriptures mostly pointing to it is by faith that we recieve God's righteousness therefore being a gift it is imputed intous by faith in God
Anyway it is at www godjustloveyou.blogspot.com www. then the rest in your browser
Thanks for being a believer and understanding, hoping for Skinski to understand praying for him to come to the unconditional Love and power of God almighty
homwardbound
I really dont get your blog spot, you believe in faith alone I believe along with most on these posts, but I do not see any where in scripture where Jesus said He would put His righteousness into us or into an account, or that He did it all for us, so alls we have to do is just believe.
Now you say I am preaching works, but what kind of works?
Works of a faith working through love
An obedient faith that is imputed to us as righteousness as we obey from the heart
If you teach the sinners prayer, if you teach and believe you can never lose your salvation, if you believe you were born a sinner, or you get saved In your sins, still defiled, where repentance is more of a fruit following salvation, then one of us is deadly wrong!
I just wanted to get my 2 cents in on this very lengthy blog, full of many, many, reformed errors, which proves why you believe what you do, and make us few preaching truth, prideful, self righteous, and evil!
Alls I can say is that the early chrch never taught this imputation, we do have works of faith to do and must endure to the end to be saved, in no way did Jesus come to do it all for us, He made the way, He gives us all the strength we need to overcome, and He came to ransom mankind from the corrupting infulence and bondages of sin once and for all, and without repentance unto salvation as commanded, then repentance isnt manditory to prepare the heart to receive His great gift, which is eternal life, BUT again, YOU must endure to the end to be saved, Jesus did not do it for you!
Act 26:20 But to those first in Damascus, and Jerusalem, and to all the country of Judea, and to the nations, I made known the command to repent and to turn to God, doing works worthy of repentance
America MUST DEPART From their INIQUITY!
“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the Oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow!” ISA1:16-17
“Come now, and let us reason together, Says the LORD, Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land; But if you refuse and rebel, You shall be devoured by the sword; For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.” ISA1:18-20
Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. ISA55:7
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you Workers of INIQUITY!” Matt7:21-23
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” 2Tim2:19
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Ariel82
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All WE have to do is believe, but that is not all that is done.
God creates in us a NEW heart and His Holy Spirit teaches His ways.
you are thinking that God's keeps a bank book of good and bad deeds and when people say imputed righteousness they have some type of unlimited credit to do what they want, but its not true.
imputed righteousness is God's righteousness that protects His children. because rather you understand it or not virtue is spiritual power and we do not have very much virtue when we are babes in Christ. that is why God imputs Christ's righteousness upon us to be our breastplate. so that we have the spiritual power to resist the attacks of the enemy.
however, we continue to try and live godly lives so that we can have the power to free others from the lies and traps of sin. so we through our lives can show how to overcome through the power and truth and love God first gave us in Christ.
you see our righteousness is not something we strive for to earn God's approval but a fruit of having been adopted by God and having been trained and chasten as a true adopted son or daughter of God.
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Ariel82
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nope I say you are preaching law as a requirement to be saved verses, obedience to the law as a result of being saved. Works comes AFTER you have been cleansed because if you try to do works before you get washed they just get dirty and are worthless.
nope you see you have faith in YOUR works and not Jesus Christ's. Why do people sing about GOD's righteousnes and HIS alone?
you too probably don't understand the word GRACE.
what is that?
after being adopted and God starts a good work in you, then He will see that it is completed by HIS power.
What? repentance is not a fruit following salvation. repentance is what follows godly sorrow which leads people to seek an answer from God, who then reveals to them their sins and transgressions and it is when their heart is turned from stone to flesh because it melts in remorse and repentance. it is the only acceptable sacrifice to God: a humble and repentant heart.
who teaches that repentance is a fruit of salvation. the topic is RIGHTEOUSNESS. Christ's righteousness is given to us in the beginning so that we might learn and develop our own proper righteousness. our righteousness is fruit of having been trained by GOD's Holy Spirit. GOD reveals our sins and we repent until our hearts and minds are purified and in aligned with God's will and purpose for our lives. that is a FRUIT of being saved and adopted. not a requirement to be saved in the first place.
nope deluded, deceived and not able to listen to plainly stated words. there is a distinction that needs to be made. You, we think are enslaved to DOCTRINES that inspire pride, self righteous, and are evil for they teach another gospel. Your doctrines are false lights and ask people to make their own sparks instead of looking to Jesus and His finished work on the Cross. HIS redemption of His people. HIS righteousness which clothe and protects His children.
its been shown over and over again that you are wrong but you would rather believe the lies found on the standingthegap website than open your eyes and repent of your lies, label and slander of many men and women of God.
yes they are called good works God wants us to do, but they happen AFTER you are saved.
you don't really think you are saved do you? since you haven't done those good works, or endured to the end, you don't really have faith you are saved at all do you? since you have faith in your works and not Christ's propitations or atoning work on the cross... mmmm...
wow... just wow...
??? i guess you mean if people don't believe repentance is needed than the heart can not receive salvation?
the only one who does any saving is not the person but JESUS and His Holy SPIRIT who changes the heart and reveals His truth and causes people to repent through trials and testing of their faith and chastenments and exhortations.
just America?
2 Timothy 2
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, [SUP]25 [/SUP]in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, [SUP]26 [/SUP]and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Psalm 19
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
Be acceptable in Your sight,
O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer.
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BananaPie
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vs. 22 Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
vs. 23 This Man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.
vs. 24 But God raised Him from the dead, freeing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on Him (Acts 2:22-24).
Dear ones, would we all just quiet our hearts and agree with God once for all, please?
vs. 23 This Man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.
vs. 24 But God raised Him from the dead, freeing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on Him (Acts 2:22-24).
Dear ones, would we all just quiet our hearts and agree with God once for all, please?