In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old
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I never understood why someone would believe that God was a mathematician.
I do not picture God with a calculator in His hand?
I see mathematics as a way of counting sheep that slowly evolves over millennia.
If you complete a degree in mathematics you will have a knowledge of a subject,
that no one is interested in. Ever wondered why mathematicians have no friends?
Because they don't know anything.
When I started my second year of a mathematics degree on the morning of my first lecture.
I accidently walked into a psychology lecture and there was at a guess. Two hundred
young girls studying psychology sitting and waiting for the lecture to start. I knew instantly
something was wrong.
I walked over and asked one of the girls whether this was a mathematics lecture?
She said no it's psychology.
I turned walked out and had a look at my folder.
The next lecture theatre.
I walked in and behold, four young guys and two were wearing glasses.
No need to ask whether this was the mathematics lecture.
Can you see why I made the wrong choice in my major?
I do not picture God with a calculator in His hand?
I see mathematics as a way of counting sheep that slowly evolves over millennia.
If you complete a degree in mathematics you will have a knowledge of a subject,
that no one is interested in. Ever wondered why mathematicians have no friends?
Because they don't know anything.
When I started my second year of a mathematics degree on the morning of my first lecture.
I accidently walked into a psychology lecture and there was at a guess. Two hundred
young girls studying psychology sitting and waiting for the lecture to start. I knew instantly
something was wrong.
I walked over and asked one of the girls whether this was a mathematics lecture?
She said no it's psychology.
I turned walked out and had a look at my folder.
The next lecture theatre.
I walked in and behold, four young guys and two were wearing glasses.
No need to ask whether this was the mathematics lecture.
Can you see why I made the wrong choice in my major?
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The only reason there is a gap theory to begin with is because of modern science. If there was no scientific claims about the earth being billions of years old, no one would have ever invented the unnecessary gap theory. Its just day, day is a day. Our week is based on Creation and its a WEEK.
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I don't have much time at the moment (or the foreseeable hours of this day and next, to respond beyond this post--my apologies)... so in the effort to save some time, I will link a past post I made on this Subject (re: the CONTEXT of Hosea 5:14-6:3 [re: ISRAEL], and how 2Pet3's verse pertains):
Post #26 - https://christianchat.com/threads/looking-for-jesus.203611/post-4804943
bottom line: I believe you are putting your own interpretation on both 2Pet3:8 (and related passages you had likely alluded to, when you say it means that these are expressions "of how outside of time God is" and "God has said the age of the earth is a "meaningless question" because time didn't exist when it was created." I believe that is not what HE is conveying in these related-type passages--I try to explain this at the LINK above, an old post of mine. )
Also, I believe the Hosea5:14-6:3 CONTEXT... well, I quoted that whole passage also at the LINK, so perhaps you could read that carefully there, where I also provided "explanation" (that will save me some time typing the same thing out here.
Thanks!)
Post #26 - https://christianchat.com/threads/looking-for-jesus.203611/post-4804943
bottom line: I believe you are putting your own interpretation on both 2Pet3:8 (and related passages you had likely alluded to, when you say it means that these are expressions "of how outside of time God is" and "God has said the age of the earth is a "meaningless question" because time didn't exist when it was created." I believe that is not what HE is conveying in these related-type passages--I try to explain this at the LINK above, an old post of mine. )
Also, I believe the Hosea5:14-6:3 CONTEXT... well, I quoted that whole passage also at the LINK, so perhaps you could read that carefully there, where I also provided "explanation" (that will save me some time typing the same thing out here.
Thanks!)
I don't have much time at the moment (or the foreseeable hours of this day and next, to respond beyond this post--my apologies)... so in the effort to save some time, I will link a past post I made on this Subject (re: the CONTEXT of Hosea 5:14-6:3 [re: ISRAEL], and how 2Pet3's verse pertains):
Post #26 - https://christianchat.com/threads/looking-for-jesus.203611/post-4804943
bottom line: I believe you are putting your own interpretation on both 2Pet3:8 (and related passages you had likely alluded to, when you say it means that these are expressions "of how outside of time God is" and "God has said the age of the earth is a "meaningless question" because time didn't exist when it was created." I believe that is not what HE is conveying in these related-type passages--I try to explain this at the LINK above, an old post of mine. )
Also, I believe the Hosea5:14-6:3 CONTEXT... well, I quoted that whole passage also at the LINK, so perhaps you could read that carefully there, where I also provided "explanation" (that will save me some time typing the same thing out here. Thanks!)
Post #26 - https://christianchat.com/threads/looking-for-jesus.203611/post-4804943
bottom line: I believe you are putting your own interpretation on both 2Pet3:8 (and related passages you had likely alluded to, when you say it means that these are expressions "of how outside of time God is" and "God has said the age of the earth is a "meaningless question" because time didn't exist when it was created." I believe that is not what HE is conveying in these related-type passages--I try to explain this at the LINK above, an old post of mine. )
Also, I believe the Hosea5:14-6:3 CONTEXT... well, I quoted that whole passage also at the LINK, so perhaps you could read that carefully there, where I also provided "explanation" (that will save me some time typing the same thing out here.
Thanks!)
I only mentioned the 2 Peter 3:8 passage because I thought you were bringing it up and I was trying to take a stab at what you meant.
I didn't interpret that God said it was a meaningless question because time didn't exist - that was an exact quote relayed by a tested Prophet. I even put the part I remembered the exact wording of in quotes to indicate this. And other things that have come via others at my church have since added onto the understanding of this, so its not like I just didn't understand what God was getting at.
And I still see nothing in Hosea related to the issue of when time began or the age of the earth.
Quite frankly, I don't think ill of you, but I don't wish to continue since I don't feel there is anything to be accomplished by it. I simply shared something that was shared with me. It isn't important, but I was submitting it for anyone who cared to know. If you don't, move on.
Oh please, you're exposed yourself! You can't even see how useful math is?!?? Lol! I really don't need to take you seriously. You're just talking out the side of your mouth. That's why you can't even cite sources because you're just making all that stuff up! I should have realized that when you got your eschatology all mixed up on the other thread. If you can't even figure that out, OF COURSE you won't understand Mathematics.
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It's pretty plain what God said in the Bible. I couldn't believe you missed it. You don't need a prophetic word for it. You're just saying all this to save face.
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Is it an important issue? - No, but then if you don't care why are you even here discussing it? It wasn't up to me and it certainly wasn't up to you, though it might have been up to the gentleman who asked. The fact is that God gave one, and it is one thing to test, or even just move on, but to reject outright what God said is rebellion! I can appreciate that not everyone accepts that the gifts of the Spirit are still active, but considering that I obviously do, what you are encouraging me to do is to rebel against God in my heart in favor of following you. There may be more to it, but there is a reason that the Bible gives a warning against everyone becoming a teacher and says that there is a higher standard of judgment (James 3:1-5, see below). I know better than to listen to your ill-conceived advice, but you really need to realize where you are leading people. And if you expect me to be wise enough to know not to listen, then why are you here arguing with me at all?
And no, I'm not just trying to save face. Do you really accuse me of falsely putting words in God's mouth merely for the sake of avoiding emotional discomfort or embarrassment??? If so, what did I do to cause you to have so little faith in my character? I am certain I don't know of a reason beyond merely disagreeing with you, which is an extremely deficient standard to attack me so.
Whether or not the answer to our original question is as plain in the Bible as you suggest, it is looking more and more plain where your heart is and it makes me sad. Repent.
If I have failed you in any way in writing all this, I am indeed sorry, but I have tried hard to speak only what is helpful. Please make sure you do the same for me and others.
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1 Thessalonians 5:19-22
"19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil."
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James 3:1-5
"Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark."
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What do you mean I don't NEED a prophetic word for it!?! Is it an important issue? - No, but then if you don't care why are you even here discussing it? It wasn't up to me and it certainly wasn't up to you, though it might have been up to the gentleman who asked. The fact is that God gave one, and it is one thing to test, or even just move on, but to reject outright what God said is rebellion!
I can appreciate that not everyone accepts that the gifts of the Spirit are still active, but considering that I obviously do, what you are encouraging me to do is to rebel against God in my heart in favor of following you. There may be more to it, but there is a reason that the Bible gives a warning against everyone becoming a teacher and says that there is a higher standard of judgment (James 3:1-5, see below). I know better than to listen to your ill-conceived advice, but you really need to realize where you are leading people. And if you expect me to be wise enough to know not to listen, then why are you here arguing with me at all?
And no, I'm not just trying to save face. Do you really accuse me of falsely putting words in God's mouth merely for the sake of avoiding emotional discomfort or embarrassment??? If so, what did I do to cause you to have so little faith in my character? I am certain I don't know of a reason beyond merely disagreeing with you, which is an extremely deficient standard to attack me so.
Whether or not the answer to our original question is as plain in the Bible as you suggest, it is looking more and more plain where your heart is and it makes me sad. Repent.
If I have failed you in any way in writing all this, I am indeed sorry, but I have tried hard to speak only what is helpful. Please make sure you do the same for me and others.
* * *
1 Thessalonians 5:19-22
"19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil."
* * *
James 3:1-5
"Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark."
Is it an important issue? - No, but then if you don't care why are you even here discussing it? It wasn't up to me and it certainly wasn't up to you, though it might have been up to the gentleman who asked. The fact is that God gave one, and it is one thing to test, or even just move on, but to reject outright what God said is rebellion!I can appreciate that not everyone accepts that the gifts of the Spirit are still active, but considering that I obviously do, what you are encouraging me to do is to rebel against God in my heart in favor of following you. There may be more to it, but there is a reason that the Bible gives a warning against everyone becoming a teacher and says that there is a higher standard of judgment (James 3:1-5, see below). I know better than to listen to your ill-conceived advice, but you really need to realize where you are leading people. And if you expect me to be wise enough to know not to listen, then why are you here arguing with me at all?
And no, I'm not just trying to save face. Do you really accuse me of falsely putting words in God's mouth merely for the sake of avoiding emotional discomfort or embarrassment??? If so, what did I do to cause you to have so little faith in my character? I am certain I don't know of a reason beyond merely disagreeing with you, which is an extremely deficient standard to attack me so.
Whether or not the answer to our original question is as plain in the Bible as you suggest, it is looking more and more plain where your heart is and it makes me sad. Repent.
If I have failed you in any way in writing all this, I am indeed sorry, but I have tried hard to speak only what is helpful. Please make sure you do the same for me and others.
* * *
1 Thessalonians 5:19-22
"19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil."
* * *
James 3:1-5
"Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark."
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The scientists say that there was a flood on Mars too which could account for those canyons. God's work in His creation is so breath-taking! (Click on title for more information about flood on Mars.)
... And this too (click on title for the article). Of course this is from a secular scientist's view - everything happened millions of years ago, etc. etc. with no mention of God's hand in all of this....
It's a shame that secular scientists won't acknowledge God's hand in this but it is an amazing work of God neverthless!
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... And this too (click on title for the article). Of course this is from a secular scientist's view - everything happened millions of years ago, etc. etc. with no mention of God's hand in all of this....
It's a shame that secular scientists won't acknowledge God's hand in this but it is an amazing work of God neverthless!
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