Interesting article on salvation

[Fundaamental]

Can a Christian lose salvation by doubting their salvation?

And reasons why people question there own salvation and other people's salvation.

One of the clear teachings of the Bible is that we are involved in a wrestling match with spiritual wickedness in high places. Jesus said of the devil “that he was a liar from the foundation of the world and the truth is not in him”. Satanic entities attack Christians in the area of confidence. Among other deceptive practices they challenge

• Faith that there really is a God
• That God actually loves us
• That God actually loves you
• That you have committed “the unforgivable sin”
• That your sins are too bad to receive forgiveness
• That unless you “feel saved” you are not saved,
• That you can lose your salvation
• That you are not one of the elect
• That you are in the wrong branch of Christianity
• That your baptism is invalid
• That you must be perfect before you can go to heaven
• That you have desires that cause you to sin over and over again and God is displeased

Things satanic spirits will not tell you, is that they have fed the temptations to you in the first place, told you its all right and then, once they have you where they want you, are the first to begin the anvil chorus of condemnation.
What is the cure?

1. Keep short accounts with God. I John says that if we say we have no sin, we are only kidding ourselves, but if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It is simple to pray. We can do it anywhere, anytime. God already loves you, whether you feel worthy or not. We do not confess our sins to “become saved again”. We do it to keep our relationship with God uncluttered and free. It is hard to feel the presence of God while we are under the gun for some fault or bad act. When you accept that he removes that guilt as far as the east is from the west, it is easier to find that fellowship of the Spirit again.
2. Identify “besetting sins”. These are not the one-off things, but things that we seem to go to regularly. The Scripture tells us to “be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our mind, proving what is that good, acceptable and perfect will of God”. Bad habits make us easy targets for the enemy. We are told, “God may forgive you for an occasional mistake, but you keep doing this over and over and over. How could a holy God possibly accept someone who refuses to change?” What a lie. It is exactly because we have these things that are difficult to change that Jesus died on the cross. If salvation was easy to get just by being a better person, anyone could do it. As it turns out, no one can really measure up on their own. We all need that grace. Still, you will never enjoy the peace of heart and mind you are entitled to as long as those things still dominate your life and mind. Don’t think because you won victory in some area that it won’t come back and challenge you again. After Jesus withstood temptation by Satan, the Bible says the devil departed from him for a season. Do not ever think our enemy is going to give up. He just retreats, regroups, and tries a new avenue. But if you beat it once, you can overcome it again.
3. Remember that God is a “big boy”. If he has a problem with you, he has sent his Spirit to help you face it. He really doesn’t need a lot of help. Learn to listen to that still small voice. My experience is that he is kinda like Obi-Wan after he was killed, speaking from the Force. Here’s Luke doing the dumbest thing ever and just lucky to still be alive frozen half to death on the galaxy’s largest Ice Cube, and here comes the voice of Ben telling him that he has to go to the Dagobah system to complete his training, then disappears. One would think old Ben would be telling him what he did wrong, or telling him where to find a can of Sterno or something, but no. Just simple guidance. God is not nearly so upset by our little problems as we are. He already knows we are going to be all right. He might sneak in some wisdom as needed, but never with condemnation.
4. Remember that the day comes when all this is over. Where you are going, there is no sin, no sickness, no temptation, no Satan. Whatever perfecting you have left to go through will be finished at the gate. You will never wonder about it again. This world will pass away and all things will be new.

Don’t worry about your doubts. If you care enough to think about it, the foundation is already laid. We have all had them. They are quite normal. I think I had one last week. It didn’t last long. I have been doing this for a while, I am accustomed to the challenge. God allows Satan to have a go at us. Satan means it for evil, but God knows your resistance will cause you to grow in ways that would never happen otherwise. His promise is that you will not undergo more than you can bear. Satan has limits, as we know from the Book of Job, and at the end of the book, Job had more than he had at the beginning. Satan loses, you win, might as well rejoice.

 

[Magenta]

Don’t worry about your doubts. If you care enough to think about it, the foundation is already laid. We have all had them. They are quite normal. I think I had one last week. It didn’t last long. I have been doing this for a while, I am accustomed to the challenge. God allows Satan to have a go at us. Satan means it for evil, but God knows your resistance will cause you to grow in ways that would never happen otherwise. His promise is that you will not undergo more than you can bear. Satan has limits, as we know from the Book of Job, and at the end of the book, Job had more than he had at the beginning. Satan loses, you win, might as well rejoice.

Luke 22:31-32 ~ Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat...

 

[Fundaamental]

Luke 22:31-32 ~ Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat...

This a very valid reason for strengthening your brothers and sister in Christ.

It's seems doubting salvation is common

But it comes in many different reasoning, it seems satan finds a door with people to doubt something they can gain confidence in like salvation and even spiritual gifts.

My evaluation of that is
The joy of the lord is our strength and satan knows it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This a very valid reason for strengthening your brothers and sister in Christ.

It's seems doubting salvation is common

But it comes in many different reasoning, it seems satan finds a door with people to doubt something they can gain confidence in like salvation and even spiritual gifts.

My evaluation of that is
The joy of the lord is our strength and satan knows it.

“It's seems doubting salvation is common”

i think what’s actually common is we create our own versions of salvstion rather than accepting Jesus version of salvation and then when someone doesn’t agree we see it as then doubting salvstion

should we hear and believe things like this ?

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

would this cause us to “ doubt our salvation ?” Or would it cause us urgency to do better and start living faith and walking in it ?

Or should we hear and believe what God said like for instance this , That creates two alternative outcomes ?

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

should we reject this principle because it would cause us to doubt ? Or should we hear and believe it so we know the truth and will take repentance seriously ?

would this cause us to doubt our salvstion by faith ? Or is it there to shape our faith so we believe “ I need to repent or I will perish like all other sinners “

Sorrow should come when we have sinned we shouldn’t be joyful while serving sin because it won’t lead us to repent

“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to repent it’s a salvation matter

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just saying we’re saved unconditionally acrually isn’t going to save anyone it’s all going to happen like the lord and his apostles said if we believe Jesus word and don’t give up we’ll be saved , if we reject the gospel we’re going to be damned


“For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. ( I’m not my judge Jesus is )


Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One day we all have to do this and so we warn other believers

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until we agree with Jesus version of salvation we should doubt it always when we hear his version we should embrace and believe it tonthe end

 

[Fundaamental]

And they said false prophets would arise and say there isn't a problem when there is.

 

[Fundaamental]

“It's seems doubting salvation is common”

i think what’s actually common is we create our own versions of salvstion rather than accepting Jesus version of salvation and then when someone doesn’t agree we see it as then doubting salvstion

should we hear and believe things like this ?

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

would this cause us to “ doubt our salvation ?” Or would it cause us urgency to do better and start living faith and walking in it ?

Or should we hear and believe what God said like for instance this , That creates two alternative outcomes ?

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

should we reject this principle because it would cause us to doubt ? Or should we hear and believe it so we know the truth and will take repentance seriously ?

would this cause us to doubt our salvstion by faith ? Or is it there to shape our faith so we believe “ I need to repent or I will perish like all other sinners “

Sorrow should come when we have sinned we shouldn’t be joyful while serving sin because it won’t lead us to repent

“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to repent it’s a salvation matter

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just saying we’re saved unconditionally acrually isn’t going to save anyone it’s all going to happen like the lord and his apostles said if we believe Jesus word and don’t give up we’ll be saved , if we reject the gospel we’re going to be damned


“For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. ( I’m not my judge Jesus is )


Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One day we all have to do this and so we warn other believers

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until we agree with Jesus version of salvation we should doubt it always when we hear his version we should embrace and believe it tonthe end

have a look at this friend

 

[Eli1]

The nicest thing I've read on Salvation in a while is this post here:

I wonder WHY you did not ask.... WHY it happens... instead you asked, WHY is it important for our eternal life? Do you know WHY it happens?

WHAT happens: God intervenes and saves our spirit, soul and body from perishing because we cannot ever save ourselves. Peter asked Jesus, "Who then, can be saved?" and Jesus replied, " With man, it is impossible but, with God all things are possible."

WHEN it happens: God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Our pride blinds us and makes us deaf to the gospel message. God has to break our pride so we can humble ourselves and He also has to deliver us from the fear of man or what others will think about us. With Pride and Fear of man silenced then, Salvation can happen.

WHERE it happens: In our spirit first, then in our soul (mind, will and emotions), last in our body with our mouth we confess that we believe in Jesus Christ and receive Him as Savior, Lord and King.

HOW it happens: Humility opens us to receive the Word of God and the Holy Spirit of God. We hear the Word of Salvation being preached to us and the Holy Spirit give us understanding that awakens our little measure of Faith in our spirit and we know without any doubt that Jesus Christ is the One and Only Savior, we cannot save ourselves or ever be good enough.

Our spirit gives this Truth to our mind in our soul. Our mind, like a computer, processes the information and sends it to our emotions which either gets excited or gets disturbed and starts to speak to our Will which then has to make a decision to accept or reject the Truth of Jesus Christ.

If we accept Jesus Christ, then with our body with our mouth we confess that we believe in Jesus Christ and receive Him as Savior, Lord and King. Then, the Holy Spirit seals us and be become the eternal property of God. We get water baptized and notice something is different about us....

Eventually, we completely embrace God and reject the World... we give God every part of our life, we lay our life down... the Father gives us the Promise of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and we receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit and again.... we notice we are even more different now.... it's a WOW moment.... we start hearing God's Voice, having dreams, encounters, deep worship, deep love for God's Word, just captivated and on fire with love for God and others and ourselves... we absolutely love what God made and get about our Father's business.

WHY it happens: LOVE... pure love... God's Love for us and our love for Him.

WHY is it important for eternal life: Without the Gift of Salvation, there is NO eternal life... only the Lake of Fire... the Second Death... The final enemy that God destroys is Death, all that choose Death are the enemy of God and shall be destroyed.

 

[Fundaamental]

“It's seems doubting salvation is common”

i think what’s actually common is we create our own versions of salvstion rather than accepting Jesus version of salvation and then when someone doesn’t agree we see it as then doubting salvstion

should we hear and believe things like this ?

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

would this cause us to “ doubt our salvation ?” Or would it cause us urgency to do better and start living faith and walking in it ?

Or should we hear and believe what God said like for instance this , That creates two alternative outcomes ?

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

should we reject this principle because it would cause us to doubt ? Or should we hear and believe it so we know the truth and will take repentance seriously ?

would this cause us to doubt our salvstion by faith ? Or is it there to shape our faith so we believe “ I need to repent or I will perish like all other sinners “

Sorrow should come when we have sinned we shouldn’t be joyful while serving sin because it won’t lead us to repent

“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to repent it’s a salvation matter

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just saying we’re saved unconditionally acrually isn’t going to save anyone it’s all going to happen like the lord and his apostles said if we believe Jesus word and don’t give up we’ll be saved , if we reject the gospel we’re going to be damned


“For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. ( I’m not my judge Jesus is )


Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One day we all have to do this and so we warn other believers

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until we agree with Jesus version of salvation we should doubt it always when we hear his version we should embrace and believe it tonthe end

and this

 

[Pilgrimshope]

have a look at this friend

did you have a look at the scripture? like this for instance for another example what does the scriptire make you think ?

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We don’t want to embrace what makes us feel saved and reject what tells us to repent and teaches us what to do we want to hear it all and especially embrace th e things that change what we thought because gods Will is to save us that’s why he’s telling us we need to repent and obey him he doesn’t want us to perish but if we don’t repent and listen to him we will perish there’s nothing that changes that part he’s made the way now he’s being patient because

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He wants us to be saved but like Paul we should probably accept that god has appointed a judge of all mankind who is the only one in creation that says if we are saved or not and we all have to appear before him so we need to repent now and have our sins remitted when we arrive they are already dealt with before it’s too late salvation is a promise Jesus our lord made it is sure and steadfast but it’s based on what he said about it not on YouTube videos and modern interpretations

But by and believer hearing his word and receiving faith to save their souls by doing this

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because of this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭

And this

“The lord not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

If we don’t stop serving sin and start obeying Gods words of life we aren’t going to have what those words promise

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

a instead of a preacher on YouTube consider what an apostle of the lord taught and ask the lord if it’s true or not we should feel secure in Jesus of we are his docuples th at wre learning from and following him but at times when we turn away or stumble or forget who we are and start living the opposite old way we should feel fear and sorrow and uncomfortable because those things drive us back home if we’re joyful in the field feeding the swine we’re never going to reach rock bottom and go home to fathers house

aim not saying Christian’s shouldn’t feel safe in christ I’m saying if we wet living the life we should t feel secure and safe we should feel what leads us to bc she our ways so we can find that joy and security in him in a godly manner

We need to keep an eye on our own ways and deeds and words because we are going to be judged by the ones we don’t repent of and square up at the cross like the first section of Paul’s writing to rome says if we’re walking in him we have nothing to fear if we aren’t we should find the at terror ofnthe lord Paul’s talking about obove and that godly sorrow formoir sin that leads to repentance and salvstion

 

[Fundaamental]

did you have a look at the scripture? like this for instance for another example what does the scriptire make you think ?

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We don’t want to embrace what makes us feel saved and reject what tells us to repent and teaches us what to do we want to hear it all and especially embrace th e things that change what we thought because gods Will is to save us that’s why he’s telling us we need to repent and obey him he doesn’t want us to perish but if we don’t repent and listen to him we will perish there’s nothing that changes that part he’s made the way now he’s being patient because

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He wants us to be saved but like Paul we should probably accept that god has appointed a judge of all mankind who is the only one in creation that says if we are saved or not and we all have to appear before him so we need to repent now and have our sins remitted when we arrive they are already dealt with before it’s too late salvation is a promise Jesus our lord made it is sure and steadfast but it’s based on what he said about it not on YouTube videos and modern interpretations

But by and believer hearing his word and receiving faith to save their souls by doing this

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because of this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭

And this

“The lord not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

If we don’t stop serving sin and start obeying Gods words of life we aren’t going to have what those words promise

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

a instead of a preacher on YouTube consider what an apostle of the lord taught and ask the lord if it’s true or not we should feel secure in Jesus of we are his docuples th at wre learning from and following him but at times when we turn away or stumble or forget who we are and start living the opposite old way we should feel fear and sorrow and uncomfortable because those things drive us back home if we’re joyful in the field feeding the swine we’re never going to reach rock bottom and go home to fathers house

aim not saying Christian’s shouldn’t feel safe in christ I’m saying if we wet living the life we should t feel secure and safe we should feel what leads us to bc she our ways so we can find that joy and security in him in a godly manner

We need to keep an eye on our own ways and deeds and words because we are going to be judged by the ones we don’t repent of and square up at the cross like the first section of Paul’s writing to rome says if we’re walking in him we have nothing to fear if we aren’t we should find the at terror ofnthe lord Paul’s talking about obove and that godly sorrow formoir sin that leads to repentance and salvstion

it makes me think of the old me is dead .

 

[Pilgrimshope]

it makes me think of the old me is dead .

Ahh is the new you not going to be judged by the lord for your words and deeds then ?

 

[Fundaamental]

The nicest thing I've read on Salvation in a while is this post here:

had to give that a thumbs up

 

[Fundaamental]

Ahh is the new you not going to be judged by the lord for your words and deeds then ?

the lord goes befor me.

In a place of judgement

His word judges every intent of my heart every moment of the day.

His judgement I am allready accustomed too

 

[Fundaamental]

Cheers bro

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the lord goes befor me.

In a place of judgement

His word judges every intent of my heart every moment of the day.

His judgement I am allready accustomed too

that’s good so you live you life in his judgements in the gospel ? What I’m getting at and please bear with me as an old curmudgeon that I may be

what I’m saying is if we are doing that we should be and feel secure but if we aren’t living the life in those judgements we should feel not comfortable , not safe because it’s those feelings that push is towards repentance so we get back into that place of accepting his judgements upon our own self. That’s where security is found in discipleship that’s what your describing of your saying you know his judgements and walk in them my point is if we aren’t doing that we need to repent and get to it

if we can hear Jesus teachings and we know we’re always in those that’s a good place to rest one’s soul but if we hear it and realize “ luuuucy! I steel have some verk to do on myself “ ( sorry for the “I love Lucy “reference im old ) then we need to repent and start learning from him for instance Christian’s should be accustomed to these things

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-31, 35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because that’s one small sample of his judgements that we walk in now or get judged by later like it says there

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-3, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think what happens is we think we’re finished works then he shines more light we’re always in a disciple mode like Paul sa is the perfect mindset in Christ not saying “I’m saved and a finished work “

This mind in us

“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:

but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended:

but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Diciples are never quite done they remain followers of God as dear children

 

[Fundaamental]

that’s good so you live you life in his judgements in the gospel ? What I’m getting at and please bear with me as an old curmudgeon that I may be

what I’m saying is if we are doing that we should be and feel secure but if we aren’t living the life in those judgements we should feel not comfortable , not safe because it’s those feelings that push is towards repentance so we get back into that place of accepting his judgements upon our own self. That’s where security is found in discipleship that’s what your describing of your saying you know his judgements and walk in them my point is if we aren’t doing that we need to repent and get to it

if we can hear Jesus teachings and we know we’re always in those that’s a good place to rest one’s soul but if we hear it and realize “ luuuucy! I steel have some verk to do on myself “ ( sorry for the “I love Lucy “reference im old ) then we need to repent and start learning from him for instance Christian’s should be accustomed to these things

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-31, 35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because that’s one small sample of his judgements that we walk in now or get judged by later like it says there

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-3, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think what happens is we think we’re finished works then he shines more light we’re always in a disciple mode like Paul sa is the perfect mindset in Christ not saying “I’m saved and a finished work “

This mind in us

“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:

but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended:

but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Diciples are never quite done they remain followers of God as dear children

See there's no way you can remember all this when situations come around.

So what I do is ask the lord to judge for me and wait

I often get a idea soon afterwards.

Im talking about the fruits of the spirit judging my heart.

The attributes of Jesus Judging my heart.

And leading me in all things.

The old me is dead so I've reçieved a massive Judgement allready since. I will trust the the lord's Judgment for me,

What ever my final Judgement is befor I sleep I won't need to worry because I may be a long time asleep befor I see the next one

 

[Karlon]

Can a Christian lose salvation by doubting their salvation?

And reasons why people question there own salvation and other people's salvation.

One of the clear teachings of the Bible is that we are involved in a wrestling match with spiritual wickedness in high places. Jesus said of the devil “that he was a liar from the foundation of the world and the truth is not in him”. Satanic entities attack Christians in the area of confidence. Among other deceptive practices they challenge

• Faith that there really is a God
• That God actually loves us
• That God actually loves you
• That you have committed “the unforgivable sin”
• That your sins are too bad to receive forgiveness
• That unless you “feel saved” you are not saved,
• That you can lose your salvation
• That you are not one of the elect
• That you are in the wrong branch of Christianity
• That your baptism is invalid
• That you must be perfect before you can go to heaven
• That you have desires that cause you to sin over and over again and God is displeased

Things satanic spirits will not tell you, is that they have fed the temptations to you in the first place, told you its all right and then, once they have you where they want you, are the first to begin the anvil chorus of condemnation.
What is the cure?

1. Keep short accounts with God. I John says that if we say we have no sin, we are only kidding ourselves, but if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It is simple to pray. We can do it anywhere, anytime. God already loves you, whether you feel worthy or not. We do not confess our sins to “become saved again”. We do it to keep our relationship with God uncluttered and free. It is hard to feel the presence of God while we are under the gun for some fault or bad act. When you accept that he removes that guilt as far as the east is from the west, it is easier to find that fellowship of the Spirit again.
2. Identify “besetting sins”. These are not the one-off things, but things that we seem to go to regularly. The Scripture tells us to “be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our mind, proving what is that good, acceptable and perfect will of God”. Bad habits make us easy targets for the enemy. We are told, “God may forgive you for an occasional mistake, but you keep doing this over and over and over. How could a holy God possibly accept someone who refuses to change?” What a lie. It is exactly because we have these things that are difficult to change that Jesus died on the cross. If salvation was easy to get just by being a better person, anyone could do it. As it turns out, no one can really measure up on their own. We all need that grace. Still, you will never enjoy the peace of heart and mind you are entitled to as long as those things still dominate your life and mind. Don’t think because you won victory in some area that it won’t come back and challenge you again. After Jesus withstood temptation by Satan, the Bible says the devil departed from him for a season. Do not ever think our enemy is going to give up. He just retreats, regroups, and tries a new avenue. But if you beat it once, you can overcome it again.
3. Remember that God is a “big boy”. If he has a problem with you, he has sent his Spirit to help you face it. He really doesn’t need a lot of help. Learn to listen to that still small voice. My experience is that he is kinda like Obi-Wan after he was killed, speaking from the Force. Here’s Luke doing the dumbest thing ever and just lucky to still be alive frozen half to death on the galaxy’s largest Ice Cube, and here comes the voice of Ben telling him that he has to go to the Dagobah system to complete his training, then disappears. One would think old Ben would be telling him what he did wrong, or telling him where to find a can of Sterno or something, but no. Just simple guidance. God is not nearly so upset by our little problems as we are. He already knows we are going to be all right. He might sneak in some wisdom as needed, but never with condemnation.
4. Remember that the day comes when all this is over. Where you are going, there is no sin, no sickness, no temptation, no Satan. Whatever perfecting you have left to go through will be finished at the gate. You will never wonder about it again. This world will pass away and all things will be new.

Don’t worry about your doubts. If you care enough to think about it, the foundation is already laid. We have all had them. They are quite normal. I think I had one last week. It didn’t last long. I have been doing this for a while, I am accustomed to the challenge. God allows Satan to have a go at us. Satan means it for evil, but God knows your resistance will cause you to grow in ways that would never happen otherwise. His promise is that you will not undergo more than you can bear. Satan has limits, as we know from the Book of Job, and at the end of the book, Job had more than he had at the beginning. Satan loses, you win, might as well rejoice.

if you doubt you are saved, you were never saved to begin with! how can someone believe in salvation & be saved & someone doubting their salvation be saved? doesn't make sense. imagine the people that are saved who never doubted it! there's millions of us. i never even thought to doubt it. think of how strong willed you can be never thinking of doubt of salvation. there's no doubting God: John 14:16,17, & (14:26, 3:33 & 16:13 especially), 7:17, 1st John 5:10, 13, 3:24. Hebrews 8:10- .....and I will put my laws into their MINDS and write them in their HEARTS......". how can you doubt your salvation? impossible when you believe in God!

 

[Fundaamental]

if you doubt you are saved, you were never saved to begin with! how can someone believe in salvation & be saved & someone doubting their salvation be saved? doesn't make sense. imagine the people that are saved who never doubted it! there's millions of us. i never even thought to doubt it. think of how strong willed you can be never thinking of doubt of salvation. there's no doubting God: John 14:16,17, & (14:26, 3:33 & 16:13 especially), 7:17, 1st John 5:10, 13, 3:24. Hebrews 8:10- .....and I will put my laws into their MINDS and write them in their HEARTS......". how can you doubt your salvation? impossible when you believe in God!

There seems to be so many conflicting articles on this,

When you think about it, its kind of a heavy subject isn't it.

The eternal salvation of your soul, the very thought of it, kinda has you thinking about life and death at the same time.

I can kind of understand why a person would question whether they're saved or not just for that reason

Why somebody may doubt they're saved or how an Invisible enemy could make you fear.

Because it's not something they can feel or think there saved.

You can only know your saved by what the word tells us.

You càn know you feal peace and you can know you feel joy and know you get bright ideas after praying.

But still you can't feel your saved.

You can only know you are.

you can also know doubt can cause you to question something you only know, because you can't feel it or see it.

But you can believe it.

But what your believing is something you only know from a word written in the bible.

 

[Karlon]

you can not "feel" your way to being saved but i believe you can "feel" saved after you are saved. i feel i'm saved because i know i'm saved! just read 1st John 5:10 & 13.

 

[Fundaamental]

Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Concluding Affirmations
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Ok I'm reading it but I still don't see where you can feel it.

I know some people say you feel a quickening, or that you feel your mind get renewed.

But if i felt happy about this
Would that confirm I was saved.

How can I feal saved by knowing something.

I have believed the testimony of Jesus and I know I have eternal life for believing in the son, his full testimony in full from confession to repenting to all the hope praise and honor.

To believing only Christ can save me,

To believing he is the son of God who died for the sins of the world and rose from the grave.

But still I haven't felt the quickening or felt the renewing of the mind.

I've only know my mind to be at peace when I pray. But if I say I feal saved because I know my mind went to peace.

It's not the same as feeling it.

My feeling is I am saved because I do truly do know what I feal in many ways.

But feeling it is not the same as really feeling something

I feel joy peace love strength
Sorrow all theese feelings.

I know there real. But still how can I feel I'm saved.