DarkVoid:
what if there is a Holy Righteous God who is the One you will see?
what would you say to Him, if He let you speak in your defense - concerning all your offenses against Him?
Does it really matter?
Is abortion murder?
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Does it really matter?
What if some horrible fate awaits them in life?
Mayb they will have a great life or mayb they won't.
It could go either way. So I don't see abortion as either right or wrong.
Anyway, that's what I think and I'm done here unless someone directly asks me something.
Bye.
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MidniteWelder
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But dont you see...the horrible fate already betook them upon being aborted.
If something horrible was to await them later, much of what we experience has to be weighed with asking what God wants us to learn from it.
They shouldnt be deprived of that opportunity.
It is satan who wants to allow no one a chance even going so far as deceiving people to take their chance away before taking their first breath.
What could have been awaiting them is God giving them a chance to discover for themselves.
When we look at life, and often people ask questions such as why are we here, why does God allow bad things to happen.
Were suppose to be throwing it in satans face by choosing God, not siding with the enemy as a contributer to help carry out the enemy's plan.
We should be helping to carry out Gods plan.
I can see theres likely been much treachery in your life.
You may feel God forced this upon you for some unknown reason.
But were not "born into Heaven" were born onto earth where satan also resides. And it is him who seeks to destroy us not God.
Gods biggest presence is within his followers and as dismal as we may portray him at times, one thing to consider is noticing the difference between evil and righteousness and thereby being able to choose righteousness by knowing the difference.
This is one of the reasons you may have seen evil within your own life
And once you are able to recognize the difference, then to make the choice to turn away from it and always do what is right.
Dont wait for God to reveal himself in all majesty by forcing his way into your life if you are already are prepared to reject him.
If you know this dont you already think he knows it too.
He's already waiting for you,
To seek him and walk in his ways.
Then you will be a righteous influence for others who also don't have that.
If something horrible was to await them later, much of what we experience has to be weighed with asking what God wants us to learn from it.
They shouldnt be deprived of that opportunity.
It is satan who wants to allow no one a chance even going so far as deceiving people to take their chance away before taking their first breath.
What could have been awaiting them is God giving them a chance to discover for themselves.
When we look at life, and often people ask questions such as why are we here, why does God allow bad things to happen.
Were suppose to be throwing it in satans face by choosing God, not siding with the enemy as a contributer to help carry out the enemy's plan.
We should be helping to carry out Gods plan.
I can see theres likely been much treachery in your life.
You may feel God forced this upon you for some unknown reason.
But were not "born into Heaven" were born onto earth where satan also resides. And it is him who seeks to destroy us not God.
Gods biggest presence is within his followers and as dismal as we may portray him at times, one thing to consider is noticing the difference between evil and righteousness and thereby being able to choose righteousness by knowing the difference.
This is one of the reasons you may have seen evil within your own life
And once you are able to recognize the difference, then to make the choice to turn away from it and always do what is right.
Dont wait for God to reveal himself in all majesty by forcing his way into your life if you are already are prepared to reject him.
If you know this dont you already think he knows it too.
He's already waiting for you,
To seek him and walk in his ways.
Then you will be a righteous influence for others who also don't have that.
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Buff_Old_Guy
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God defines what's right or wrong, not us or you. Love you DarkVoid and take care ok... I don't think your taking God seriously. The day you actually reason and seriously consider God. Maybe, you'll understand. Right now...your not reasoning or taking the idea of God seriously. I know it because I had similar questions when I was a teenager like you... I said "there are unlimited possibilities...why should I believe in the Christian faith?" ...One vision later... several prayers answers... and my life changing on a level that is above all other influences I know... I'm here, knowing God exists... and knowing that your just fiddling around here, not serious, just playing around. Give God a serious look... actually take in some of the Christian advice... but most of all the verses.. actually look for the one and only God's ideas and thoughts. Instead of you being the judge of it... how about.. let God tell you what he is actually saying? I mean it only makes sense to look for the true context instead of you making up one. Read the Bible, look for a pastor or teacher to help guide you to learn... and ask Christians to pray for you because you need it. You need a connection with God.
God Bless and I hope the best for you, message me if your serious.
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no matter how much people tell you or earnestly contend for the Truth that is JESUS CHRIST, you will not understand them but unless you show humility and seek to understand. you will Darkvoid. either than that man, everything else a christian says will sound like baloney and wont make SENSE to you.
and as for the question. Abortion is MURDER. GOD gave you the gift a life in you, but you decide to reject it and take it away.
and as for the question. Abortion is MURDER. GOD gave you the gift a life in you, but you decide to reject it and take it away.
Yes it does.
There is a song by Third Day, (whom I saw in concert tonight, fantastic!), that goes like this:
One of these days we all will stand in judgment for Every single word that we have spoken One of these days we all will stand before the Lord Give a reason for everything we've done and what I've done is
Trust in Jesus, my great Deliverer My strong Defender, the Son of God I trust in Jesus, blessed Redeemer My Lord forever, the Holy One, the Holy One
What are you gonna do when your time has come And your life is done and there's nothing you can stand on? What will you have to say at the judgment throne? Well, I already know the only thing that I can say
I trust in Jesus, my great Deliverer My strong Defender, the Son of God I trust in Jesus, blessed Redeemer My Lord forever, the Holy One
You are guilty of breaking God's law, and are worthy of condemnation. If God were evil, as you describe Him, He would be more than glad to punish you. But instead, He sacrificed His Son, to provide a means by which you could escape your deserved punishment. Why would an evil God do that?
By the way, what would you think of a judge in this world who failed to punish a criminal?
Would you have any confidence in a system of judgement in which criminals were routinely pardoned from lawlessness with no retribution? Who would obey the law or have any respect for it?
God's standard of judgement is much higher than man's, because He is a Holy and completely just God. His justice is so perfect, that His Son's blood had to be shed to satisfy that justice. It is God's nature to be just and Holy. To be otherwise would result in Him ceasing to be God.
God's sending His Son to die for you is evidence of His loving nature, not evil. Only an unreasonable person could see it otherwise.
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didymos
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... so it could be that all the people you're arguing with here are right, and you are wrong.
Maybe you're not such an atheist after all... in that case there's still hope for you...
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jonrambo
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yes abortion is murder. i am responsable for a few abortions back when i was a retard and the holy spirit gave me a strong conviction about it. abortion should be illegal and the doctors that talk people into it should be shot
408 posts and counting on a christian forum dealing with the single question Is abortion murder?
The answer from any sound christian must be: Yes.
And that's all there is to it, from the christian point of view. May the asking like the answer or not.
The answer from any sound christian must be: Yes.
And that's all there is to it, from the christian point of view. May the asking like the answer or not.
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juliet84
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What if keeping the unborn child is risky to the mother's safety? What do you do with that?
Few things are that simple.
An atheist can be just as "sure" of his answers.
This attitude of being 100% sure is annoying.
And I'm NOT just accusing christians of this so don't get me wrong.
I know people of all beliefs who are so "sure" of their answers.
People should not be so unwilling to consider others views.
I do consider yours. I consider the possibility that god is who you say he is. I don't believe it but I consider the possibility.
But do you even consider any other possibility?
No matter what you believe you should at least consider other possibilities.
Just wanted to say this and I will not be posting in this thread from now on.
So if you have something to say to me and you want me to reply then send me a message.
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Hopetobe
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Yes it is murder. Regardless if it has fully developed or not. It is Gods creation. No one has the right to terminate it.
I have mixed views, when it comes to it. When a mothers life is in danger and you cant keep both and that mother has a family well terminated may be the only option. Otherwise mother and baby die. When some has been beating, clothes are torn and they are raped. I have compassion for that. I know I am strong enough to overcome that. But not everyone is. When a young child is being molested by a family member and becomes pregnant I have compassion for that situation. When you have sex and decide not to feel careful I am sorry I dont feel any compassion. Getting an abortion because you failed to have self control is your own fault. I will however never participate in a protest. I think its a disgusting demonstration of a christian.
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jonrambo
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yeah i take it back if the mothers life is in danger i suppose its an option. but she would want to be in pretty bad shape and i would respect any woman that took that risk but can understand medical reasons so yeah
Genesis 4:10: "The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground"
It wasn't just Abel's blood that cried out, but also his future unborn family - his future children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc... all not able to be born because of his death.
Everyone has a purpose for existing.
The government no doubt supports abortion so they can reduce the population, but it's wrong. Abortion should be replaced with thoughts on adoption instead. There are many families that can't have children that would love a child like their own. If the person is Christian they should look for a Christian family to raise the child or better still, trust in God to help them and provide for them. God can get you through anything.
Think about all the blood crying out from the ground... all of those unborn babies and their future families that can no longer exist
It wasn't just Abel's blood that cried out, but also his future unborn family - his future children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc... all not able to be born because of his death.
Everyone has a purpose for existing.
The government no doubt supports abortion so they can reduce the population, but it's wrong. Abortion should be replaced with thoughts on adoption instead. There are many families that can't have children that would love a child like their own. If the person is Christian they should look for a Christian family to raise the child or better still, trust in God to help them and provide for them. God can get you through anything.
Think about all the blood crying out from the ground... all of those unborn babies and their future families that can no longer exist
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hattiebod
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Then, as a Christian, you leave it in Gods hands. If we are Christians, we trust in God. Simples. There are so many stories of mothers being told their child should be 'aborted' through scans showing terrible birth defects etc, mothers told they will die through cancer if they do not abort...and many do, but many do ot and pray instead. And there are so many wonderful stories of lives being saved and the scans being wrong. Doctors are doctors, midwives (and I am one) are just midwives. Not God! So, as Christians, we would be best to Trust in God, the one who planted the life within us in the first place. easy? no. but then God never said life would be easy. <><
Ecclesiastes 4:2
New International Version (NIV)
And I declared that the dead,
who had already died,
are happier than the living,
who are still alive.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But better than both
is the one who has never been born,
who has not seen the evil
that is done under the sun.
New International Version (NIV)
And I declared that the dead,
who had already died,
are happier than the living,
who are still alive.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But better than both
is the one who has never been born,
who has not seen the evil
that is done under the sun.
When a mothers life is in danger and you cant keep both and that mother has a family well terminated may be the only option. This is a primary argument for those in favor of abortion rights. It's brought up frequently, as though almost every abortion is because the mother's life is at risk. How often is this actually the case, though? Why is it used as a primary argument for abortion-on-demand when it's rarely the case?
When some has been beating, clothes are torn and they are raped. I have compassion for that. I know I am strong enough to overcome that. But not everyone is. When a young child is being molested by a family member and becomes pregnant I have compassion for that situation. I have compassion on the victims as well. It angers me that women are violated! The violators need to be punished for what they've done. The mother needs support(emotional, financial, etc). Finally, instead of punishing the unborn human for the crime committed, allow him/her to be born & to be put into the arms of one of the millions of couples who would love to adopt. The mother is a victim. There's no need to create a second victim.
I will however never participate in a protest. I think its a disgusting demonstration of a christian. There are peaceful demonstrations and there are loud, rowdy demonstrations. At demonstrations such as 40 Days for Life, which is a peaceful protest, babies are actually saved. Regardless, what's going on inside the abortion mills is far more disgusting. People ought to check out how this stuff is done...Methotrexate & Misoprostol, Induction Abortion, Mifepristone and Misoprostol, Aspiration, Dilation & Curettage, Manual Vacuum Aspiration, Dilation & Evacuation, Induction Abortion, etc.