Is Acts 2.38 the plan of salvation ?

[eternally-gratefull]

I haven't repented from my first post on this topic .

What does that have to do with what I said?

Why are you so evasive?

 

[Guojing]

IF Peter never preached to them the death burial and resurrection before Acts 2:38 would not have been said.
it is the gospel message that convicts the heart of man. the Holy Spirit then prepares them to receive the Lord

Peter preached the death of Jesus as a murder indictment to Israel (Acts 2:36), Jesus is dead because they crucified him.

He preached the resurrection of Jesus as proof to Israel that he is indeed their promised Messiah (John 20:31)

Thus, Acts 2:38 means Israel is to change their mind about Christ, believe that he is indeed their promised Messiah, and be water baptized into the priesthood.

All these are not the same as preaching 1 Cor 15:1-4.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Peter preached the death of Jesus as a murder indictment to Israel (Acts 2:36), Jesus is dead because they crucified him.

He preached the resurrection of Jesus as proof to Israel that he is indeed their promised Messiah (John 20:31)

Thus, Acts 2:38 means Israel is to change their mind about Christ, believe that he is indeed their promised Messiah, and be water baptized into the priesthood.

All these are not the same as preaching 1 Cor 15:1-4.

This hurts in so many ways

 

[Guojing]

This hurts in so many ways

Its simple literal reading of what Peter actually said in Acts 2, instead of trying to fit Paul into what was said.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its simple literal reading of what Peter actually said in Acts 2, instead of trying to fit Paul into what was said.

The literal words of peter are;95 what you think, the english translators in tryI gotta to form a word for word interpretation , failed to properly interpret the verse,

the Greek does not imply what the english text implys

 

[Guojing]

The literal words of peter are;95 what you think, the english translators in tryI gotta to form a word for word interpretation , failed to properly interpret the verse,

the Greek does not imply what the english text implys

Acts 2:36 KJV

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

I will be curious how the Greek will change what the KJV is saying here in English.

Care to share?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 2:36 KJV

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

I will be curious how the Greek will change what the KJV is saying here in English.

Care to share?

This is a thread on act 2: 38 not 36

the romans crucified Christ as did the jews. In fact they are the ones who had to approve it,

 

[Guojing]

This is a thread on act 2: 38 not 36

the romans crucified Christ as did the jews. In fact they are the ones who had to approve it,

Acts 2:36 flows into vs 37, which flows into 38.

You cannot be said to fully understand why Peter said Acts 2:38, if you do not know the conclusion that Peter told Israel in Acts 2:36, and before they were pricked in the conscience and asked Peter in vs37 "What should we do".

Israel needed Pilate to approve the killing of Jesus, their Jewish leaders could not authorize the death of Jesus on their own.

In fact, Pilate wanted to free Jesus. (John 19:12)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 2:36 flows into vs 37, which flows into 38.

You cannot be said to fully understand why Peter said Acts 2:38, if you do not know the conclusion that Peter told Israel in Acts 2:36, and before they were pricked in the conscience and asked Peter in vs37 "What should we do".

Israel needed Pilate to approve the killing of Jesus, their Jewish leaders could not authorize the death of Jesus on their own.

In fact, Pilate wanted to free Jesus. (John 19:12)

Your making a mountain out of a molehill

the message of acts 2: 38 is for all of us, not just isreal

isreal is who he was talking to, he called them out, it does not mean the message is to them only

 

[Guojing]

Your making a mountain out of a molehill

the message of acts 2: 38 is for all of us, not just isreal

isreal is who he was talking to, he called them out, it does not mean the message is to them only

Acts 2:5
Acts 2:14
Acts 2:22
Acts 2:29
Acts 2:36

all had Peter directly addressing Israel.

We gentiles only came in after Israel has fallen when they stoned Stephen (Romans 11:11)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 2:5
Acts 2:14
Acts 2:22
Acts 2:29
Acts 2:36

all had Peter directly addressing Israel.

We gentiles only came in after Israel has fallen when they stoned Stephen (Romans 11:11)

Talking to you is like talking to a wall

he was talking to jews, there were no gentiles there,

it does not mean the gospel he have them was for them only

good day sir, I am thinking I just need to place you on ignore, your grasp of listening to what others are trying to show is is severely lacking

 

[Guojing]

Talking to you is like talking to a wall

he was talking to jews, there were no gentiles there,

it does not mean the gospel he have them was for them only

good day sir, I am thinking I just need to place you on ignore, your grasp of listening to what others are trying to show is is severely lacking

We are just sharing our different perspectives.

There is no need to use the threat of ignore as some kind of virtue signaling device, like so many are fond of doing that in this forum.

If you don't want to hear other perspectives, just don't respond or ignore, no one is worse off other than you when you do that.

 

[throughfaith]

What does that have to do with what I said?

Why are you so evasive?

Because the Gospel is not 1,) repent
2) be baptised for the remission of sins 3 ) To then recieve the Holy spirit .
As was commanded to Israel. ( Jews )
When you say ' repent ' I say " from what " ,or about what? from dead works ? from thinking Jesus was not the messiah ? from false gods / idols .
The Gospel itself explains what a person must believe to recieve . Its not a formula. its The power of God unto salvation. , Rom 1 .16 . Its the truth that Jesus was who he said he was . Romans 10 ,9.10 ,( Kurios) That he died for eveyones sins without exception ( 1 cor 15 .1-4) according to the scriptures. The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin ,righteousness and Judgement. We persuade with the truth of the Gospel reasoning from the scriptures. They need to believe . Salvation is by faith . Belief is the access .

 

[throughfaith]

O think

Talking to you is like talking to a wall

Talking to you is like talking to a wall

he was talking to jews, there were no gentiles there,

it does not mean the gospel he have them was for them only

good day sir, I am thinking I just need to place you on ignore, your grasp of listening to what others are trying to show is is severely lacking

I think what is worth noticing is the message Peter is saying to Israel . The confusion happens when we try to fit what Jesus and John the baptist and Peter is saying before the cross and shortly after the cross when the focus is still Israel . What happens is people miss this . Thats why we have so many groups insisting that baptism is necessary , laying on of hands is necessary , a certain type of repentance is necessary, Faith is turned into ' obedience ' . Water Baptism varies from group to group. Because of trying to adapt All of the book of Acts into one ' normative ' experience that must happen to gentiles in 2020 . The list is endless . Initial evidence , works salvation and a whole host of issues coming from not recognising the transitions in Acts .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because the Gospel is not 1,) repent
2) be baptised for the remission of sins 3 ) To then recieve the Holy spirit .

i never said it was, do you have a comprehension issue also?

As was commanded to Israel. ( Jews )

it was not commanded that was to the jews either, it does not say repent and be baptized to receive remissiom of sin, why would you think it does, if one studies in the Greek, they would see that, water baptism has never gotten one person remission of sin,

When you say ' repent ' I say " from what " ,or about what? from dead works ? from thinking Jesus was not the messiah ? from false gods / idols .

what are we before we come to Christ? gods enemy right? What do we think of God, what do we think of ourselves? What do we think of our sin issue and the condemnation we earn from that sin issue?

you will NEVER come to faith with that belief,

The Gospel itself explains what a person must believe to recieve . Its not a formula. its The power of God unto salvation. , Rom 1 .16 . Its the truth that Jesus was who he said he was . Romans 10 ,9.10 ,( Kurios) That he died for eveyones sins without exception ( 1 cor 15 .1-4) according to the scriptures. The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin ,righteousness and Judgement. We persuade with the truth of the Gospel reasoning from the scriptures. They need to believe . Salvation is by faith . Belief is the access .

NO ONE will come to faith in Christ, unless they first “change your mind” repent. Which takes God working in you to change your view, but changing your view MUST be done

a belief without repentance is mere belief, that never saved anyone,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are just sharing our different perspectives.

There is no need to use the threat of ignore as some kind of virtue signaling device, like so many are fond of doing that in this forum.

If you don't want to hear other perspectives, just don't respond or ignore, no one is worse off other than you when you do that.

You think I am worse off because I stop responding to someone who refuses to listen to what others are saying and continues to prove it by hw they respond to that person?

i just spent how long trying to explain to you that while YES, peter message was to the jews. the gospel message he proclaimed to the jews is applicable to both jew and gentile (ie, I admitted he was speaking to the jews)

and like you always do, you kept pushing how peter was talking to the jews ( a fact I already ageed to) and would not relent.

you do that all the time, that’s why myself and others can not have a normal conversation with you, it’s like yournset on one point, and that’s all your going to focus on, no matter what

that hurts conversation, it does not help.

so here, I will no longer respond to you, if I do. Please do not respond back,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

O think

1. Person 1. take Peter literally

response, he is not saying what yu think

2 person 1, quotes vs 36, when our discussion is vs 38

response, we are talking about 38 not 36

3. person 1. vs 36 proves peter is talking to jews, those who crucified Christ

response, yes, but remember Romans (gentiles did 2. And yes, he IS TALKING TO JEWS, but it does not mean his message is only applicable to them

4. person 1 (even though person 2 already admitted peter was talking to jews) posts numerous verses, and claims they all prove peter was speaking to jews (a fact person 2 already admitted to) and said gentiles did not come in until later

see the issue here? He is on a mission to prove peter was speaking to jews, to prove his point Peters message was to jews only. That he could not see The other person already admitted he was talking to the jews,

it happens all the time, that’s WHY I said what I did,

 

[Guojing]

You think I am worse off because I stop responding to someone who refuses to listen to what others are saying and continues to prove it by hw they respond to that person?

i just spent how long trying to explain to you that while YES, peter message was to the jews. the gospel message he proclaimed to the jews is applicable to both jew and gentile (ie, I admitted he was speaking to the jews)

and like you always do, you kept pushing how peter was talking to the jews ( a fact I already ageed to) and would not relent.

you do that all the time, that’s why myself and others can not have a normal conversation with you, it’s like yournset on one point, and that’s all your going to focus on, no matter what

that hurts conversation, it does not help.

so here, I will no longer respond to you, if I do. Please do not respond back,

And I disagree with you because peter was preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, which as Jesus himself said in Matthew 10:5-8 was not meant for gentiles at all

My point of view towards putting on ignore is this, we learn more from discussing with people who disagrees with us than those who do

So when you ignore someone, you will learn less

 

[Guojing]

1. Person 1. take Peter literally

response, he is not saying what yu think

2 person 1, quotes vs 36, when our discussion is vs 38

response, we are talking about 38 not 36

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One needs to understand acts 2;38 in context of how Peter concluded his sermon in acts 2:36

How can one understand the solution without understanding the problem?

 

[throughfaith]

1. Person 1. take Peter literally

response, he is not saying what yu think

2 person 1, quotes vs 36, when our discussion is vs 38

response, we are talking about 38 not 36

3. person 1. vs 36 proves peter is talking to jews, those who crucified Christ

response, yes, but remember Romans (gentiles did 2. And yes, he IS TALKING TO JEWS, but it does not mean his message is only applicable to them

4. person 1 (even though person 2 already admitted peter was talking to jews) posts numerous verses, and claims they all prove peter was speaking to jews (a fact person 2 already admitted to) and said gentiles did not come in until later

see the issue here? He is on a mission to prove peter was speaking to jews, to prove his point Peters message was to jews only. That he could not see The other person already admitted he was talking to the jews,

it happens all the time, that’s WHY I said what I did,

What distinction do you make between John the baptist message to repent and be baptised and Peters message to repent and be baptised ?