Is Babylon the United States?

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Do you think Babylon == America?

  • YES

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • NO

    Votes: 30 88.2%

  • Total voters
    34
Not the one on earth today, and especially not in the near future coming tribulation time

Why not future Israel? And what do you mean, which Israel? There is only one Israel proper. The church is not spiritual Israel either, as there is no such thing. Spiritual Israel is the invention of men. The desolation of Jerusalem and surrounding area will be the result of the abomination being set up, where the woman/Israel of Rev.12, also mentioned in Mt.24, will flee out into the desert where she will be cared for by God for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to end the age, which is at the end of that last 3 1/2 years. All of these prophecies regarding God's wrath are the fulfillment of that last seven years with Christ returning to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
 
Which Jerusalem though?

Not the one on earth today, and especially not in the near future coming tribulation time...

Luke 21:20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
KJV

His kingdom is not of this world. You are thinking carnally.
 
His kingdom is not of this world. You are thinking carnally.

Heeding our Lord Jesus' warning to stay out of Jerusalem when it becomes encompassed with armies in the last days is carnal thinking???

I will continue to listen to The LORD in His Word of Truth while those like yourself disregard the simplicity of His Word because you'd rather His Word meant something else.
 
It's not the physical Jerusalem I'm talking about, nor the physical Babylon.

Its the spiritual makeup of the fallen planet. Many Jews made their way back to Jerusalem, God's city, after 70' years stuck in pagan Babylon. It's an analogy.

The spirit and thinkology of the visible 'church' is in many ways corrupt. Patterned after Babylon's power structure like I already submitted. We are not suppose to do as the world(cosmos) where pride reigns supreme in the heart of man. The fall came when the first 2 decided they wanted to know good and evil as gods. Arrogance.

Note: many TV preachers now teach that we are 'gods' not simply in the since that we have the capacity to lord it over others' but that we are literally gods now. Satan lied to the first 2 about becoming gods, as the cult Mormonism has always taught, but now the deceptive wolves at large teach the same thing.......for cash...of course!

Sorry for being long winded but this thing is deep. Like the reference of 'coming out of Egypt' is applied to salvation, coming out of the world. Not literally Egypt. Hope this helps. Hard to make this crystal clear by typing.

oh and I'm sorry when I said you r thinking carnally. That iwas not a put down. Just that you thought I was thinking literal geographical places. Sorry again the way I said that. I r not perfect with words sometimes. Smile.
 
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It's not the physical Jerusalem I'm talking about, nor the physical Babylon.

Its the spiritual makeup of the fallen planet. Many Jews made their way back to Jerusalem, God's city, after 70' years stuck in pagan Babylon. It's an analogy.

The spirit and thinkology of the visible 'church' is in many ways corrupt. Patterned after Babylon's power structure like I already submitted. We are not suppose to do as the world(cosmos) where pride reigns supreme in the heart of man. The fall came when the first 2 decided they wanted to know good and evil as gods. Arrogance.

Note: many TV preachers now teach that we are 'gods' not simply in the since that we have the capacity to lord it over others' but that we are literally gods now. Satan lied to the first 2 about becoming gods, as the cult Mormonism has always taught, but now the deceptive wolves at large teach the same thing.......for cash...of course!

Sorry for being long winded but this thing is deep. Like the reference of 'coming out of Egypt' is applied to salvation, coming out of the world. Not literally Egypt. Hope this helps. Hard to make this crystal clear by typing.

oh and I'm sorry when I said you r thinking carnally. That iwas not a put down. Just that you thought I was thinking literal geographical places. Sorry again the way I said that. I r not perfect with words sometimes. Smile.

I think you are way... overthinking things. The reality of things in God's Word are much more simple.

Of course the idea of coming out of Babylon can have a spiritual connotation, if you give it one; but that approach is usually the default for someone who doesn't understand what the Babylon harlot of Revelation is actually about.

Jerusalem was originally a pagan city (Jebus) of the Canaanites until God gave Israel to conquer it and made it His Own (Ezekiel 16). God chose to put His Name in Jerusalem forever. The area of Sumer-Babylon was the birthplace of paganism. God's people in Jerusalem fell to pagan idol worship. So God compared Jerusalem to a prostitute, a harlot, because of that falling away like a married wife does with cheating on her husband. Our Heavenly Father actually used those prostitute and adultery kind of comparisons in His Word to get this idea across of how He feels about Jerusalem and His people in pagan idol worship.

Per Revelation and the Book of Daniel, one of the main events to occur for the end is... idol worship in Jerusalem (Rev.13). Those who say the "abomination of desolation" event prophesied for Jerusalem is already past history are telling lies to try and get God's people off track of what is getting ready to occur in today's Jerusalem in our not so distant future. All the signs God gave in His Word about it are leading up to it. God is allowing this to occur to see who has listened to Him in His Word or not, because He clearly warned His servants about it.

The pagan Canaanites want Jerusalem back. It has been sieged 27 times in history and is to be under siege one final time, for the end just prior to Christ's second coming. Because the unbelieving Jews there still reject Christ Jesus as Messiah, they plan to re-establish old covenant worship there again once another temple is rebuilt. They have for years now already had the materials ready to do just that. What's holding them back are the controls by the world leaders through international bodies like the U.N. who plan to use Jerusalem to setup their world king once their world government if fully established. To those Jews this world king will be the Messiah, they will think, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 that will cause an "image of the beast" to be setup in idol worship, and all commanded to bow in worship to it (which is the "abomination of desolation" spoken of in the Book of Daniel for the end).

It will then... at that time... when Jerusalem will be manifested as the harlot city of Rev.17, for we are specifically told the "woman" of Rev.17 is a city:

Rev 17:1818 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

It will be at that time in our near future when the idea you speak of coming out of Babylon spiritually, will apply. The whole world will be subject to the reign of that false messiah ruling from Jerusalem and commanded to do idol worship, but Jesus is coming to destroy that on the day of His coming (day of The Lord timing). Thus the idea of coming out of Babylon simply means refusing to bow in false idol to the beast or his image, and refusing his mark that he will establish per Rev.13. That specific time has NOT come yet today, but it is near.

Our OT comparison to this is with the days of Daniel the prophet in captivity in historical Babylon. God told the house of Judah at Jerusalem to go peacefully into captivity to Babylon, told them it would last 70 years, and that He would take care of them there. That He did, they prospered and multiplied in numbers, built houses, planted vineyards, etc. They had it so good in Babylon that the majority of them chose to stay in Babylon after the 70 years when they were allowed to go back to Jerusalem! But the deciding factor involving idol worship came when Nebuchadnezzar's prophets sought a way to trap God's people into worshiping the king of Babylon instead of God. They caused Neb to make a golden idol and issue a decree for everyone to bow in worship to the idol at the sound of psalter, and those who refused were to be killed. This is when Daniel and his fellows that refused were delivered up and sentenced to death. And that was when God stepped in and intervened. That is our blueprint for this coming false messiah to Jerusalem and the "image of the beast" idol worship he will institute upon all nations and peoples for the very end.

So not only did our Heavenly Father through His Son warn us directly in His Word about this coming event for the end, He also gave us the blueprint of Daniel's days captive to Babylon as an example. The 70 years Babylon captivity is symbolic for the 7 years time of "great tribulation" per Dan.9 ("one week"). Daniel was to be presented to the king of Babylon after 3 years and was offered the king's meat and wine, while Daniel instead chose to eat pace and drink water, which is symbolic of the opposite kind of strong meat and symbolic waters of Christ. The hot fiery furnace heated 7 times hotter than necessary that Daniel's fellows were cast into with Christ appearing in the fire with them and no harm coming to them, represents the day of Christ's second coming and God's consuming fire upon the earth to destroy man's works.
 
You might find the short book 'Come out of Her My People' interesting. It will clerify what I'm saying. I could re-write the thing here but it would be easier for you to read it yourself.
Youll find it on the site below Truthforfree.com Under E-books. Be free. Be blessed my friend.
 
You might find the short book 'Come out of Her My People' interesting. It will clerify what I'm saying. I could re-write the thing here but it would be easier for you to read it yourself.
Youll find it on the site below Truthforfree.com Under E-books. Be free. Be blessed my friend.

I'll check it out when I get time. Blessings to you too!
 
You might find the short book 'Come out of Her My People' interesting. It will clerify what I'm saying. I could re-write the thing here but it would be easier for you to read it yourself.
Youll find it on the site below Truthforfree.com Under E-books. Be free. Be blessed my friend.

I went through his e-book. I understand what he's saying, which he covers a lot of good points regarding 'churchianity' issues and men's organizational structures over the Churches, which is what he is using the Revelation Babylon harlot system as a comparison.

But what I am saying is more simple than all that, and my point about the Babylon harlot of Revelation is much more dangerous than what he is saying.

Although the "woman" harlot of Rev.17 is a city, it does represent false religion an all of men's systems that support that. But there's more. Per Ezekiel 16, God married Jerusalem. But there's another that wants to marry Jerusalem also and have her for himself, i.e., Satan. Man's concepts about Christ's Church are irrelevant to that coming event in Jerusalem, but will be part of that harlot system ruling over by Jerusalem, for Jerusalem will be the center of false worship for the last days when the coming pseudo-Christ Jesus and Apostle Paul and the Book of Daniel warned us about arrives there.

Yes, many in Christ today are being led out of man's organizational systems over Christianity, as God's Spirit is indeed leading them. And I believe that is in prep for when the Revelation harlot is fully setup in Jerusalem, involving a requirement for all nations and peoples to bow in idol worship to the "image of the beast". So look a bit farther down the road than what he is saying for the reason why many brethren have gotten fed up with the various Church systems of men today. In that time in our near future when the Babylon harlot city is fully manifest, those in Christ will be forced to go back to how the early Church met in secret in homes, etc. That kind of thing has already been happening in many countries today that persecute Christians. It is coming to the West also when that harlot is manifest in our near future with the pseudo-Christ.
 
Did you know the Vatican is its own country?

Babylon is probably the Catholic Church. The Woman may very well be the Mary the Catholics Worship.