Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

[Runningman]

I think if it were a matter of obedience Jesus would have incorporated that into every sermon without exception.

And as he was the living example of the gospel would have scriptures reporting he baptized again and again. Instead, he reiterated grace through faith is salvation.

I think the Ephesians verse is an enormous hurdle for the teaching that insists baptism saves.
Because that teaching then tells us we are not saved if we've not been emersed in liquid water.

A surprise for countless Catholics to be sure.

Water baptism one of those things you do it once you don’t need to do it again. Nor are there any examples of people getting baptized more than once. The Biblical example is getting water baptized shortly or immediately after coming to belief. I believe we have to assume that’s what they would have done to new converts in Ephesians 4.

Also, bear in mind, Jesus and His disciples baptized more people than John the Baptist and his disciples. John baptized the entire Judean countryside and the people of Jerusalem.

That means Jesus spoke about baptism to new disciples, though there aren’t many examples of that dialogue.

John 4:1,2
1When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Mark 1:5
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

So Jesus must have mentioned baptism very often.

 

[JBTN]

Well, the letters and books of the New Testament were meant to be read in full context. It’s okay to cherry-pick verses and quote them, but the context has to be respected. That’s the cause of the debates, in my opinion. The Bible says repeatedly to get water baptized and the Bible says to believe too.

Baptism isn’t a “work” in the sense it’s a requirement of the Law of Moses. It’s an act of obedience. This is evident because John 6:28,29 says believing in Jesus is a work God has for us.

John 6:28,29
28Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

“But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:17-18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.5.17-18.NKJV

Jesus correctly represented himself to the people as the Son of God, and as the Bible says here that made Him equal with God.

“Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.6.28-30.NKJV

So, if we consider verse 29, Jesus said “This is the work of God”. He did not say this is a Godly work you can do. He said this is the work God is doing. The response of those who were there in verse 30 makes it clear that they understood him that way as well. They asked Him “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?”

It seems abundantly clear that he was not calling belief a work.

 

[Runningman]

“But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:17-18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.5.17-18.NKJV

Jesus correctly represented himself to the people as the Son of God, and as the Bible says here that made Him equal with God.

“Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.6.28-30.NKJV

So, if we consider verse 29, Jesus said “This is the work of God”. He did not say this is a Godly work you can do. He said this is the work God is doing. The response of those who were there in verse 30 makes it clear that they understood him that way as well. They asked Him “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do?”

It seems abundantly clear that he was not calling belief a work.

I disagree with that due to the context in John 6. Jesus was comparing Himself to the mana Israel received from God in the desert saying that He is the bread from heaven.

Israel had to work for their bread, refine it, grind it, cook it and then when they ate it they could live.

In the same way, Jesus being the bread from heaven, is only eaten by belief in Him. Those who don’t believe in Jesus will die and everyone has the possibility to believe.

In John 6:28,29 they asked what they can do and Jesus told them to believe because it’s a work from God. That’s indisputable. The plain text of the passage and the context confirms it.

I also might pose a question for you. Is faith and believing the same thing from a Biblical perspective?

 

[Runningman]

I disagree with that due to the context in John 6. Jesus was comparing Himself to the mana Israel received from God in the desert saying that He is the bread from heaven.

Israel had to work for their bread, refine it, grind it, cook it and then when they ate it they could live.

In the same way, Jesus being the bread from heaven, is only eaten by belief in Him. Those who don’t believe in Jesus will die and everyone has the possibility to believe.

In John 6:28,29 they asked what they can do and Jesus told them to believe because it’s a work from God. That’s indisputable. The plain text of the passage and the context confirms it.

I also might pose a question for you. Is faith and believing the same thing from a Biblical perspective?

Numbers 11:7-8 KJV
7And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium. 8And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it: and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Water baptism one of those things you do it once you don’t need to do it again. Nor are there any examples of people getting baptized more than once. The Biblical example is getting water baptized shortly or immediately after coming to belief. I believe we have to assume that’s what they would have done to new converts in Ephesians 4.

Also, bear in mind, Jesus and His disciples baptized more people than John the Baptist and his disciples. John baptized the entire Judean countryside and the people of Jerusalem.

That means Jesus spoke about baptism to new disciples, though there aren’t many examples of that dialogue.

John 4:1,2
1When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Mark 1:5
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

So Jesus must have mentioned baptism very often.

"Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)"

I know we are only baptized once.
The issue is, Baptism itself, maybe that's the word that will help clear the confusion, Baptism itself does not save us.

 

[JBTN]

I disagree with that due to the context in John 6. Jesus was comparing Himself to the mana Israel received from God in the desert saying that He is the bread from heaven.

Israel had to work for their bread, refine it, grind it, cook it and then when they ate it they could live.

In the same way, Jesus being the bread from heaven, is only eaten by belief in Him. Those who don’t believe in Jesus will die and everyone has the possibility to believe.

In John 6:28,29 they asked what they can do and Jesus told them to believe because it’s a work from God. That’s indisputable. The plain text of the passage and the context confirms it.

I also might pose a question for you. Is faith and believing the same thing from a Biblical perspective?

“Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ” Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.””
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-33‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.6.28-33.NKJV

Notice that Jesus didn’t bring up the manna, those who were questioning him did. Jesus response to that was to tell them that that was a work of the Father. And then he tells them that it was the Father who gave them the Son. Consistent with the idea that the Father was working to produce belief in the Son.

Belief and Faith are inseparably linked. Two different words describing the conviction that someone has that something is true. You can see that here:

“That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:16-25‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.4.16-25.ESV

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus had not yet died and risen again when he told the thief you will be with me in paradise

How does this relate? Do we need baptism and they did not?

 

[Runningman]

"Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)"

I know we are only baptized once.
The issue is, Baptism itself, maybe that's the word that will help clear the confusion, Baptism itself does not save us.

I’ll just stick to what the Bible says. You’re free to stand in contradiction to the words of Jesus if you wish.

Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Runningman]

“Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ” Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.””
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-33‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.6.28-33.NKJV

Notice that Jesus didn’t bring up the manna, those who were questioning him did. Jesus response to that was to tell them that that was a work of the Father. And then he tells them that it was the Father who gave them the Son. Consistent with the idea that the Father was working to produce belief in the Son.

They asked Jesus what work they could do and Jesus told them to believe. Sorry I guess we’ll have to disagree on that point. The words are quite clear in John 6 about believing being a work that God has assigned to us. Check some other versions and translations if you’re open to that. They state it clearer than the NKJV.

Belief and Faith are inseparably linked. Two different words describing the conviction that someone has that something is true. You can see that here:

“That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:16-25‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.4.16-25.ESV

I agree with this for sure.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I’ll just stick to what the Bible says. You’re free to stand in contradiction to the words of Jesus if you wish.

Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Thank you for posting that verse. Jesus sustains my point beautifully. 💕

Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.❤️

 

[Runningman]

Thank you for posting that verse. Jesus sustains my point beautifully. 💕

Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.❤️

Jesus said “believeth and is baptized.” You’re saying baptism doesn’t save. That’s a big difference, tbh. But okay.

 

[CS1]

What does that mean?

well those who died before the death and resurrection went to the place of the righteous dead like Abraham and others. those who were unrighteous went to the place of the unrighteous dead. Known as the Abode of the dead.

The death burial and resurrection had to happen for eternal life through Christ to happen. Jesus did not reject the thief because he came to Christ he did not reject those who came to him before the cross.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I’ll just stick to what the Bible says. You’re free to stand in contradiction to the words of Jesus if you wish.

Mark 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

so you ignore John 3, John 4 John 5, John 6 and the rest of scripture. But pick one passage and the only one where Jesus mentions baptism (which could be spirit baptism)?

then tell us to stick with the bible?

I think we have.

 

[Runningman]

so you ignore John 3, John 4 John 5, John 6 and the rest of scripture. But pick one passage and the only one where Jesus mentions baptism (which could be spirit baptism)?

then tell us to stick with the bible?

I think we have.

Ironic you’d accuse me of ignoring the “rest of scripture” and then reference a chapter that talks about the requirement of water baptism.

John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The water isn’t embryonic fluid, by the way. Among many other reasons, Jesus doesn’t need to tell people who are alive they need to be born. Furthermore, Nicodemus was flat out wrong to think he could receive second natural birth as a grown man.

Being born of water and Spirit is water baptism and spiritual birth and it’s required.

John the Baptist said he “needed” to be water baptized by Jesus. Jesus said getting water baptized is part of fulfilling all righteousness.

Matthew 3:14,15
14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 

[Magenta]

did the Thief on the Cross with Jesus ever get water baptized? will he remain in Paradise but never be resurrected?

There being no record in Scripture of his baptism does not mean the thief on the cross was not baptized

It is safest to make no assumption in this regard, although we are told elsewhere
that "People went out to him from all of Jerusalem and the countryside of Judea."

Him being John the Baptist

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ironic you’d accuse me of ignoring the “rest of scripture” and then reference a chapter that talks about the requirement of water baptism.

John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The water isn’t embryonic fluid, by the way. Among many other reasons, Jesus doesn’t need to tell people who are alive they need to be born. Furthermore, Nicodemus was flat out wrong to think he could receive second natural birth as a grown man.

Being born of water and Spirit is water baptism and spiritual birth and it’s required.

John the Baptist said he “needed” to be water baptized by Jesus. Jesus said getting water baptized is part of fulfilling all righteousness.

Matthew 3:14,15
14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

lol. Tell me in John 3 where Jesus said he who believes and is baptized will never perish but has eternal life.

You can ONLY way water is baptism IF jesus mentions it when he tells Nicodemus HOW to be born again. Otherwise you saying it is not birth water is just your opinion not based on facts

And you did not mention John 4 John 5 and John 6... Still waiting

 

[Runningman]

lol. Tell me in John 3 where Jesus said he who believes and is baptized will never perish but has eternal life.

Ignore John 3:5 if you wish.

You can ONLY way water is baptism IF jesus mentions it when he tells Nicodemus HOW to be born again. Otherwise you saying it is not birth water is just your opinion not based on facts

It sounds like you’re in the same boat as Nicodemus. You don’t seem to understand anything Jesus said about being born again. Please go study it.

And you did not mention John 4 John 5 and John 6... Still waiting

ummm I didn’t say I was going to. Are you assigning me homework now?

You’re doing a lot of deflecting and not really staying on topic.

What is being born water and Spirit according to you?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ignore John 3:5 if you wish.

Ignore?
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Can you show me the word baptism in this passage of John 3?

It sounds like you’re in the same boat as Nicodemus. You don’t seem to understand anything Jesus said about being born again. Please go study it.

I do not have to study it, Jesus told him what it was.

Again

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Jesus told him HOW to be born again (not what it was) why don;t YOU believe him

ummm I didn’t say I was going to. Are you assigning me homework now?

You’re doing a lot of deflecting and not really staying on topic.

What is being born water and Spirit according to you?

Jesus answered us

again

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Born again is that which is dead is made alive or born again (a second time) spiritually

Jesus tells us how to have this life. He also calls it eternal .

No baptism is mentioned. why do you insist it is?

and why do you continue to ignore John 4, 5, and 6 where jesus tells us the same thing about eternal life? which is being born again

 

[Pilgrimshope]

"Flesh and bones" is NOT "flesh and blood". So you need to go back to square one. Jesus said His body is "flesh and bones". We are not given any additional information, but we are told that our "vile" bodies will be like unto His "glorious body". So, no, we will not be ghosts floating around as you imagine.

lol how so aren’t you just rejecting what it says ?

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

isn’t that pretty basic you have a flesh and blood body right now that is t part of the inheritance Jesus speaks of in his eternal kingdom paul is only saying what Jesus said

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh;

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

‭‭John‬ ‭3:5-6‬

Jesus kingdom isnt of this earth it’s spiritual and heavenly we need to be born of spirit in order to enter this kingdom after we leave our flesh behind.

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:…

‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”

‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬

there’s another place where Jesus has prepared for us after we part this earth that means when we leave our body like this guy

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:43‬ ‭KJV‬

surely you don’t think he entered paradise in his flesh and blood right ? But he did enter that same day his body does on the cross next the Jesus . His spirit lives through his flesh death all of us do that

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,

but after this the judgment:”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭

we die in the flesh but live in the spirit

Just like the opposite of creation the body is made of earth at death it returns as it was part of the earth but the spirit God gave to man that brought man To life that returns to God where it came from

you have mans creation body and spirit

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, ( natural body )

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; ( spirit of life coming out of God )

and man became a living soul.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and you have the opposite process at death

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”

‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭

flesh is only made for this earth it’s made from this earth and for this earth and just as this earth is bound to death and destruction our flesh also bound to decay by sin

it’s temporary housing we have mansions waiting

it seems like you just want to bicker because through the Bible we need to grasp that creation has two aspects earthly and heavenly

“In the beginning God created the heaven ( spiritual )

and the earth.”( natural )

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods home is the heavens , mans is the earth. Gods spiritual realm is eternal it’s for spiritual beings that do not die they are eternal.

the earth is corrupt by man and doomed now by Gods sworn oath God is saving man from the fate of earth and all in it and saving us into his heavenly kingdom

because creation has to realms so does man have a body for earth with him dies and so the spirit enters the spiritual realm of the heavens

Paul’s pretty clear and is t speaking parables he’s laying out a correct understanding of the resurrection for people who don’t already know better than him

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, ( Earthly ) and there is a spiritual body. ( heavenly )And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:42, 44-45, 47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

pretty basic and Informative I agree but you don’t have to remember Jesus transfiguration ? He was showing his heavenly glory his heavenly form to them we are told that we have a body a form that is made for this earth . And we see promised a spiritual eternally living form a heavenly form made for Gods heavenly kingdom

anyways like I’m saying it’s not something you need to approve of or agree with or anything but it is basic if you just accept what Paul’s written about it there’s another world waiting for us in the heavens that’s what the gospel is about

 

[Runningman]

Ignore?
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Can you show me the word baptism in this passage of John 3?


I do not have to study it, Jesus told him what it was.

Again

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Jesus told him HOW to be born again (not what it was) why don;t YOU believe him



Jesus answered us

again

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Born again is that which is dead is made alive or born again (a second time) spiritually

Jesus tells us how to have this life. He also calls it eternal .

No baptism is mentioned. why do you insist it is?

and why do you continue to ignore John 4, 5, and 6 where jesus tells us the same thing about eternal life? which is being born again

John 3
John 3:5 says you must be born of water and Spirit. Water is used for water baptism which is seen as a burial and resurrection with Christ throughout the New Testament; I was assuming you knew that, but since you don’t study the Bible I am not surprised. See Romans 6.

Romans 6:3,4
3Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

John 4
Immediately in the next chapter Jesus and His disciples are baptizing people. Jesus had just said in John 3:5 that you must be born of water and Spirit to enter the kingdom and they are baptizing people.

John 4:1
1When Jesus realized that the Pharisees were aware Hea was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John

John 5

If you had actually read the chapter, you would have noticed that Jesus mentioned John the Baptist and his testimony. The testimony of John the Baptist was repent and be baptized and believe in Christ.

John 5:33,34
33You have sent to John, and he has testified to the truth. 34Even though I do not accept human testimony, I say these things so that you may be saved.

I don’t see any clear references to water baptism in John 6, but regardless, the entire narrative and context repeatedly mentions water baptism.

That’s why studying is required. You need to study before you have these conversations.