Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[GaryA]

We were able to go into space, because we were able to predict upon prior knowledge that building a shuttle thus with a certain formula of engineering would allow it to thrust in the fashion needed and all that.

Tell me how in the world would the Bible have ever told us how to go to the moon?

You do realize, don't you, that - in actuality - we have not yet been to the moon...?

Let me ask you a question...

Modern shuttle technology is 1000 times more advanced than what we supposedly went to the moon with...

If we actually went to the moon ~30 years ago -- why are we now not going to the moon every day in a shuttle...???

Why is it that we have never made any trips in a shuttle beyond the space station...???

Think about it...

 

[kodiak]

The point being it's still evolution ....

micro evolution is within a species, evolution cannot rely on just that alone. Scientists admit this, yet cannot explain macro-evolution......even though evolution requires it, just saying it is still evolution does not prove it makes sense.

Well, we assume it because that's what data thus far, since we've been collecting it, shows it - it's accelerating. We notice the expansion by the stars spreading apart, which Ham's ministry admits, and even quotes Scripture for. See, the difference between the Creation model that says the laws changed upon the Flood, and the secular model, is that the secular model has no evidence that the laws changed or was different, so we assume they were the same. And even have data backing this. No data indicating a change 4,000 years ago - seeing how we have TREES older than that. ^_^



Really? So far as I know, this is a standard piece of evidence in college classrooms. And that is not all; I believe in our class we learned like three or four major observational pieces that lends to the idea of evolution and an old earth. The fact you've never heard of the redshift as evidence is really surprising.

You sound genuinely interested, so I'll trade with you - I'll pull out my old notes, and summarize them in a post for you, and I'll read your link. Now, bare in mind that I am not technically minded - I am more abstract in my thinking, and science is by far one of my worst subjects. So once I post that, please verify it yourself, if you wish. But it will come directly from my class notes and powerpoints.

what is the evidence that it has always been steady? It very well could have been faster depending on what God did. How do we truly know the trees are that old? It is based on the rings, but how do we know it is accurate? They always use fossils and the rocks to show it....
the most interesting thing I have heard a scientist say is
1) we know the fossils are this old because the tests indicate it
2) we know the tests are correct because the geologic column supports it
3) we know the geologic column is correct because the fossils indicate they are that old in the tests....
i have yet to hear any solid evidence for evolution.
I have more of a logical, need all the facts before making a decision, mind. I just don't see the evidence in evolution. Lets be honest, we cannot prove the age of the universe 100 percent for either direction. We rely on science and hope the tests are based on truth. If you ask either side to prove it is accurate, they will get into fallacies. I accept the Bible as God's literal word, but I cannot accept evolution, because I just don't see the evidence yet.

 

[SarahM777]

micro evolution is within a species, evolution cannot rely on just that alone. Scientists admit this, yet cannot explain macro-evolution......even though evolution requires it, just saying it is still evolution does not prove it makes sense.


what is the evidence that it has always been steady? It very well could have been faster depending on what God did. How do we truly know the trees are that old? It is based on the rings, but how do we know it is accurate? They always use fossils and the rocks to show it....
the most interesting thing I have heard a scientist say is
1) we know the fossils are this old because the tests indicate it
2) we know the tests are correct because the geologic column supports it
3) we know the geologic column is correct because the fossils indicate they are that old in the tests....
i have yet to hear any solid evidence for evolution.
I have more of a logical, need all the facts before making a decision, mind. I just don't see the evidence in evolution. Lets be honest, we cannot prove the age of the universe 100 percent for either direction. We rely on science and hope the tests are based on truth. If you ask either side to prove it is accurate, they will get into fallacies. I accept the Bible as God's literal word, but I cannot accept evolution, because I just don't see the evidence yet.

I am still waiting for them to try to explain how reproduction went from cellular fission to cellular fusion. How did it go from one process to a whole different process? They are not compatible processes.

 

[JackH]

Your definition of 'several' must be "a whole lot less" [ in number ] than mine...

What year is it said that the Apocrypha was removed from the KJV? 1885?

That would make the absolute maximum number of centuries .......... ~ 3 ?

A 'few' is three --- 'several' is "a whole lot more"...

Actually, you can still buy KJV bibles with the Apocrypha.

Get yours at Amazon.com today.

Holy Bible: King James Version With Apocrypha: Derek A. Shaver: 9781480007888: Amazon.com: Books

 

[thecreationtutor]

We could have went to the moon, without Evolution as a theory

The bible is history, so is Evolution

Nothing to do with Science in the respect of observable, testable, repeatable experimentation

 

[thecreationtutor]

If the antagonists really believed they Evolved, why would they care what we thought?

It just shows that they don't really believe it themselves, because they think they have significance

At least significance enough to tell someone else they have no significance

So, what is the significance of them trying to do this

HYPOCRITE - is that the proper term here?

 

[JackH]

Lets be honest, we cannot prove the age of the universe 100 percent for either direction.

If you are looking for 100% certainty for everything, good luck with that.

The age of the earth, for example, is expressed with a possible error of margin of a few million years.

So what?

We are talking about a discrepancy of around 4.6 billion years compared to around 6,000 years for the age of the earth.

If credible science next year revises the age of the earth to twice what it is now, to over 9 billion years, do I care?

No.

Would YECs readily accept 12,000 years?

 

[thecreationtutor]

We could have went to the moon, without Evolution as a theory

The bible is history, so is Evolution

Nothing to do with Science in the respect of observable, testable, repeatable experimentation

Take this further, the thought behind this is Chronological snobbery - where we think we are smarter than those in the past, which is ridiculous

We stand on the shoulders of those who developed the technology, they had the knowledge and the know how, that we lack today, so if anything we are not smarter in ourselves, but have a net loss of knowledge.

 

[kodiak]

I am still waiting for them to try to explain how reproduction went from cellular fission to cellular fusion. How did it go from one process to a whole different process? They are not compatible processes.

I am still waiting for their explanation of macro-evolution at a molecular level using chemistry.....I just get ignored and told I believe people who misrepresent science and am stupid.....

If you are looking for 100% certainty for everything, good luck with that.

The age of the earth, for example, is expressed with a possible error of margin of a few million years.

So what?

We are talking about a discrepancy of around 4.6 billion years compared to around 6,000 years for the age of the earth.

If credible science next year revises the age of the earth to twice what it is now, to over 9 billion years, do I care?

No.

Would YECs readily accept 12,000 years?

So you believe science that is constantly changing? You don't care what they say as long as they can prove it? If they came out with "credible science" proving God is not real, would you believe it?
You keep taking what I say out of context. There is so much wrong with evolution....If not, please answer sarah's question and my question.....

 

[SarahM777]

I am still waiting for their explanation of macro-evolution at a molecular level using chemistry.....I just get ignored and told I believe people who misrepresent science and am stupid.....


So you believe science that is constantly changing? You don't care what they say as long as they can prove it? If they came out with "credible science" proving God is not real, would you believe it?
You keep taking what I say out of context. There is so much wrong with evolution....If not, please answer sarah's question and my question.....

There is no way they can ever prove evolution from a biological or chemistry standpoint.

 

[dcontroversal]

If you are looking for 100% certainty for everything, good luck with that.

?

Umm it is 100% certain that you will die one day<------unless you actually...

1. Know Jesus in truth and are born again
2. Are blessed enough to be alive and remain to the body presence of Christ

 

[Stephen63]

There is no way they can ever prove evolution from a biological or chemistry standpoint.

If evolution could be proven, it would no longer be a "theory" would it? Since most scientists are "chomping at the bits" to be the first to prove anything & have their name in lights, SOMEONE would have done it by now IF it were possible.....but it isn't..... it's about time evolutionists come to a conclusion that it's scientifically impossible to prove a lie to be the truth! These wise guys are a joke & a laughingstock, & they won't admit it because, like all lies, one must keep telling new ones to cover the old ones up.

 

[JackH]

Umm it is 100% certain that you will die one day<------unless you actually...

1. Know Jesus in truth and are born again
2. Are blessed enough to be alive and remain to the body presence of Christ

Right, death and taxes.

If Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) would have understood that taxes are a certainly, he wouldn't be behind bars.

If he would have understood that humans have been dying for a whole lot longer than 6,000 years, people wouldn't compare him to Larry, Curley, and Moe.

 

[JackH]

If evolution could be proven, it would no longer be a "theory" would it? Since most scientists are "chomping at the bits" to be the first to prove anything & have their name in lights, SOMEONE would have done it by now IF it were possible.....but it isn't..... it's about time evolutionists come to a conclusion that it's scientifically impossible to prove a lie to be the truth! These wise guys are a joke & a laughingstock, & they won't admit it because, like all lies, one must keep telling new ones to cover the old ones up.

How is the baloney selling at your butcher shop?

If somebody could prove that the earth is 6,000 years old, they would be fabulously rich and famous.

Anybody can prove that the earth is more than 4 billion years old.

Anybody who says evolution has never occurred is clueless about evolution.

And you keep on proving it over and over and again and again, as have many other YECs who have posted on this thread.

 

[SarahM777]

How is the baloney selling at your butcher shop?

If somebody could prove that the earth is 6,000 years old, they would be fabulously rich and famous.

Anybody can prove that the earth is more than 4 billion years old.

Anybody who says evolution has never occurred is clueless about evolution.

And you keep on proving it over and over and again and again, as have many other YECs who have posted on this thread.

All the tests that are used for dating the earth are all FLAWED without a CONTROL SAMPLE. You have NO CONTROL SAMPLE to prove HOW MUCH RADIO ACTIVE MATERIAL the sample HAD TO BEGIN with. That is very flawed science. Anyone trying that type of testing without control samples in any other branch of science and tried to use the results of those tests in papers would be laughed at and it would thrown out as being FLAWED.

 

[GaryA]

Anybody who says evolution has never occurred is clueless about evolution.

Please understand that - for most people at least - those who say "evolution has never occurred" - are specifically talking about 'macro' evolution. I personally do not think I know anyone who denies 'micro' evolution.

When someone says "evolution is not true" -- more than likely, they are referring to the "man came from apes" extent of it - not the "subtle changes can occur in DNA" fine-line aspect of it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Right, death and taxes.

If Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) would have understood that taxes are a certainly, he wouldn't be behind bars.

If he would have understood that humans have been dying for a whole lot longer than 6,000 years, people wouldn't compare him to Larry, Curley, and Moe.

I am surprised that you forgot the word (SOME) before people in your quote.......must be your education hey? And not everyone has to pay (some) taxes........!

 

[kodiak]

I am still waiting for them to try to explain how reproduction went from cellular fission to cellular fusion. How did it go from one process to a whole different process? They are not compatible processes.

I am still waiting for their explanation of macro-evolution at a molecular level using chemistry....

How is the baloney selling at your butcher shop?

If somebody could prove that the earth is 6,000 years old, they would be fabulously rich and famous.

Anybody can prove that the earth is more than 4 billion years old.

Anybody who says evolution has never occurred is clueless about evolution.

And you keep on proving it over and over and again and again, as have many other YECs who have posted on this thread.

your favorite proof for evolution is ad hominem.....
You have yet to explain sarah's and my question...can you even explain it, or are you as clueless as us?

 

[Stephen63]

How is the baloney selling at your butcher shop?

If somebody could prove that the earth is 6,000 years old, they would be fabulously rich and famous.

Anybody can prove that the earth is more than 4 billion years old.

Anybody who says evolution has never occurred is clueless about evolution.

And you keep on proving it over and over and again and again, as have many other YECs who have posted on this thread.

You just said NOTHING.
You proved NOTHING.
You've been accomplishing NOTHING.
You're so vain.

BTW, you're not 98..... that generation shows RESPECT.

You act like a typical teenager sinner...... a know-it-all.

GROW UP.

 

[JackH]

You do realize, don't you, that - in actuality - we have not yet been to the moon...?

Let me ask you a question...

Modern shuttle technology is 1000 times more advanced than what we supposedly went to the moon with...

If we actually went to the moon ~30 years ago -- why are we now not going to the moon every day in a shuttle...???

Why is it that we have never made any trips in a shuttle beyond the space station...???

Think about it...

So you are into New World Order conspiracies?

Which "We Never Went to the Moon" conspiracy do you believe?

The one where a Hollywood director staged it for the government so NASA could pass it off to the public as a wonderful achievement?

Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) is big on the NWO conspiracies. He has said the US. government was behind 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings.