Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[thecreationtutor]

Why do you say he quoted from that?
If the flood was not global, why did God tell him to gather animals if they could escape to reach a different area, or already existed in other areas?

or rather why did God promise that he'll never flood the earth again if it was only locally

 

[Angela53510]

Yes, I do believe Christ died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected from the dead.

Now I have a question for you.

You have indicated you are somewhat of an expert on the Greek manuscripts.

Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) has videos that babble on about a global flood.

Doesn't the Septuagint (LXX) indicate that the flood was not global?

The Septuagint (LXX) is the bible, right? One Jesus and the apostles quoted from, right?

I have not spent a lot of time reading the LXX, so I can honestly say I don't know. Jesus did quote from the Hebrew one, and my research showed a lot of bias towards the LXX, by using only Matt as an example, where he did quote the LXX more.

In fact, both versions are valid, and the other apostles quoted from both, including Paul.

However, since the Hebrew is the original language, and the LXX a translation, probably I would tend to stick with the Hebrew when reading the OT in the ORIGINAL language. I have also found that numbers are problematic at times in translations, which probably accounts for the age discrepancies found in the LXX regarding the flood.

So no local flood - a universal flood. That is the only thing that makes sense in light of all of Scripture, but also in terms of geology and the preponderance of sedimentary rocks in the world. I believe that 75% of all rocks in the world are sedimentary, which goes well with the Biblical account of a universal flood. (ie - sand and sediments laid down during the flood)

 

[jamie26301]

If the Bible can be proven to be true - and that's what this movement is about, it seems, is proving the Bible is literal history - then what does one need faith for? Isn't that teaching people to evaluate the spiritual based on what they can see?

 

[popeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe3cteDuBc

FF to 32;30 Evolutionists nightmare

 

[sparkman]

or rather why did God promise that he'll never flood the earth again if it was only locally

Good point

 

[jamie26301]

Good point

Rather, maybe God meant He would never flood again out of anger and vengeance. I'd don't know, just suggesting. Not all floods, even local ones, are created equal.

 

[sparkman]

If the Bible can be proven to be true - and that's what this movement is about, it seems, is proving the Bible is literal history - then what does one need faith for? Isn't that teaching people to evaluate the spiritual based on what they can see?

Faith has a reasonable basis, though. If we could see obvious, irreconcilable, indisputable contradictions in evidence, then it would be illogical to believe Christianity. Believers have personally experienced God as well, so that is evidential to them. There's no way we can show this to someone else, but it is still evidential to us.

 

[jamie26301]

Faith has a reasonable basis, though. If we could see obvious, irreconcilable, indisputable contradictions in evidence, then it would be illogical to believe Christianity. Believers have personally experienced God as well, so that is evidential to them. There's no way we can show this to someone else, but it is still evidential to us.

Sure, but as soon as you say that Christianity can be reasoned as logical, someone says "well, what about [enter religion here]? If it has reasonable systems of belief, what is so exclusive about Chrisitianty?" (playing devil's advocate). Before the age of reason, or before people started looking at things objectively - through observation - you could say that Zeus threw the thunder bolts, and that would've been reasonable to some people - nothing to demonstrate different.

 

[Tintin]

Dr. Dino is entertaining and has some good things to say, but he's not as credible as Creation Ministries International, Answers in Genesis and Institute for Creation Research. If you're going to give examples from biblical creationists, I wouldn't use him.

 

[jamie26301]

When I say "why try to prove the bible" I don't mean advocating on "blind faith."

I just fear that convincing them or converting them with tangible evidence or arguments, will condition them to depend on that for spiritual strength.

Not that everyone who is lead by apologetics are converted for that alone. I understand that for some that is a springboard of sorts, or the watering/planting, so speak. Of course God gives the increase.

 

[Tintin]

or rather why did God promise that he'll never flood the earth again if it was only locally

And why spend up to 100 years building the ark, if it was local? There are just so many problems with the belief that it was a local flood and not a global Flood.

 

[weakness]

Well, let's figure out who is aware of what.

Where is this evidence of fossils purporting to be human and dinosaur footprints that prove humans and dinosaurs coexisted?

What museum are they located at? Or exactly where?

What scientific evidence exists that the fossils are in fact that of humans and dinosaurs walking together?

Of course, if the dinosaur was a T.rex, the human was probably not walking with T.rex, but was probably running away.

Unless that was before the fall when T. rex didn't eat meat, according to what I seen some Young Earth Creationists post in these forums.[/QUOTE/ I'm not sure what kind of dino... I think a sloth or something like that and not as old as t=rex. don't know details on age of prints.

 

[Tintin]

Most fossils are a result of the Great Flood, so it makes sense that there are dinosaur, animal and human bones all mixed together at times, or in different layers etc. Most would have been trying to escape the Flood. They would not be having a lovely stroll in the park with each other.

 

[weakness]

Sure, but as soon as you say that Christianity can be reasoned as logical, someone says "well, what about [enter religion here]? If it has reasonable systems of belief, what is so exclusive about Chrisitianty?" (playing devil's advocate). Before the age of reason, or before people started looking at things objectively - through observation - you could say that Zeus threw the thunder bolts, and that would've been reasonable to some people - nothing to demonstrate different.[/QUOat] God is very reasonable at times and at other the foolishness of God is wiser than men. Also one must compare Spiritual with Spiritual. Not spiritual with natural. Then you have parables and analogies,types and shadows,Patterns, Something doesn't have to be taken literal to convey Gods truth.

 

[Origin]

Even tho I highly doubt man and dinosaurs walked together. I would points you in the direction to look at ancient civilizations to see what extinct animals they painted on there walls.

Also the land was not like it is today, long ago all the land was together

then sometime after the flood or during the flood more likely the land started to divide

genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan

 

[Tintin]

Sure, but as soon as you say that Christianity can be reasoned as logical, someone says "well, what about [enter religion here]? If it has reasonable systems of belief, what is so exclusive about Chrisitianty?" (playing devil's advocate). Before the age of reason, or before people started looking at things objectively - through observation - you could say that Zeus threw the thunder bolts, and that would've been reasonable to some people - nothing to demonstrate different.[/QUOat] God is very reasonable at times and at other the foolishness of God is wiser than men. Also one must compare Spiritual with Spiritual. Not spiritual with natural. Then you have parables and analogies,types and shadows,Patterns, Something doesn't have to be taken literal to convey Gods truth.

Yes, different genres exist within the Bible - historical narrative, poetry, laws, prophecy, parables etc. And yet, it's a huge cop-out not to believe the historical narratives therein. Narratives that are well... literal history. Like Genesis. I believe a historical-grammatical approach to reading and studying the Bible is best.

 

[jamie26301]

Yes, different genres exist within the Bible - historical narrative, poetry, laws, prophecy, parables etc. And yet, it's a huge cop-out not to believe the historical narratives therein. Narratives that are well... literal history. Like Genesis. I believe a historical-grammatical approach to reading and studying the Bible is best.

I'm not sure many historians would agree with you. Not being contentious, but narratives like Marco Polo historians tend to highly doubt, like things he saw.

We don't assume the women at Salem were witches either, just because it is reported so. And the Bible is not the only ancient narrative, which only brings the point back around full circle.

 

[MarcR]

Evidence of a universal flood include Great salt lake, the Caspian sea and evidence of deep water aquatic life at high elevations in all the world's mountain ranges.

 

[Tintin]

I'm not sure many historians would agree with you. Not being contentious, but narratives like Marco Polo historians tend to highly doubt, like things he saw.

We don't assume the women at Salem were witches either, just because it is reported so. And the Bible is not the only ancient narrative, which only brings the point back around full circle.

Yes, but the Bible isn't one of Marco Polo's narratives, the comparison is lacking. The Bible is God-breathed, infallible, written by men inspired by Holy Spirit. The Bible is the very Word of God, the only completely reliable historical document we have. It reveals wonders we as humans are only learning about and some we still have yet to discover (and others we may never discover). The Bible can be reasoned by those who look for revelation from Holy Spirit. Reason alone won't get us far, nor will revelation by itself. We need both the Spirit and the Word. Reason informed by revelation is the way to go.

 

[JackH]

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I have also found that numbers are problematic at times in translations, which probably accounts for the age discrepancies found in the LXX regarding the flood.

If numbers are problematic, then how can Young Earth Creationists use genealogies and such to support a 6,000-year-old world?

The LXX indicates Methuselah died after the flood.