Is God All-knowing?

[7seasrekeyed]

The Doctrine of Christianity teaches, God Is All-Mighty, All-Powerful, Eternal, perfect being. and obviously stuff like God cannot contradict itself and much more.
So let's read what Bible says about this.
Even though I have much more verses to present, I would rather rely on one verse to challenge the doctrine of Christianity, or I should say, Doctrine of Trinity given the fact that non-Trinitarians also exist. So
Mathew 24:36
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "
So basically no one knows except father. Jesus, God The Son, doesn't know about it.
May I ask All the Christians here, why God The Son doesn't know about it?
When Answering the question, please, please apply the same rule you explain for Jesus to the Holy Spirit.

Christianity is not a doctrine

why do you say the truth will set you free?

that is from the Christian Bible

since you are a non-believer, let's learn about you instead

which one of the many gods of your country do you follow?

 

[posthuman]

So what i understand from you? Jesus was using an idiom?

yes, that's my understanding.

Revelation19:12 says, His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
13 verse says, "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."
Going next, 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
Sorry, i really don't understand from where you dragged Jesus in it?

see John chapter 1 -- Jesus is the Word of God. also verse 11 here in Revelation - He is called Faithful & True; see John 14:6, Jesus said of Himself "I AM the Truth" -- moreover verse 15, He has a sword coming out of His mouth; this motif is repeated a number of times in the Bible and always associated with Christ & never anyone else. it is in . 15 as well, that He shall rule the nations with an iron scepter -- see Psalm 2:9, this is a clear reference to the Messiah. there are other markers here in the text too, but suffice these 3 to show you that this definitely Jesus Christ being spoken of, without any question or disagreement among any theologians.

however it is also clear here -- He has a name that no one but He Himself knows. but clearly also, there is nothing that God in heaven does not know; He is omniscient & knows all things -- so to say of any kind of knowledge, 'no one but He knows it' there is only one "He" that can possibly be spoken of; God Himself, from whom nothing is secret. i could quote 50 verses telling you this and if you know your Koran you could show me many more in it, too.

therefore Jesus Christ is God. see also John 21:17

 

[Nehemiah6]

A clear conflict between Matthew and Mark. It's your job to find out what's wrong with it.

When someone comes along and says that there is a conflict or contradiction within the Bible and that something is wrong with it, that means that you have A HIDDEN AGENDA. So it is your job to tell us what is this agenda.

 

[Fahad]

This is what the verse says in my Bible::

Matthew 24: KJV
36 "¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Ahh, idk what Bible you have, is there any Bible we can all agree too?
Still, it rules out both, Son of God, and Holy Spirit as the All-knowing figure.

 

[Fahad]

When someone comes along and says that there is a conflict or contradiction within the Bible and that something is wrong with it, that means that you have A HIDDEN AGENDA. So it is your job to tell us what is this agenda.

lol, so I can't say that Bible conflicts, how to reconcile these two chapters? huh? It is clear contradiction. Secondly, I have an agenda, to prove that Bible conflicts. And I have pretty good arguments in my support, but everyone here seems to be too confused. There has not been a single unanimous answer by all of you.

 

[Fahad]

Christianity is not a doctrine

why do you say the truth will set you free?

that is from the Christian Bible

since you are a non-believer, let's learn about you instead

which one of the many gods of your country do you follow?

lol, it said favorite quotation, so I tell the favorite one.
You know, when someone has no answer to you, they start playing with words. That's what you are doing it here. not doctrine e.t.c.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Secondly, I have an agenda, to prove that Bible conflicts.

There you go. Have fun. And Adios.

 

[Fahad]

When someone comes along and says that there is a conflict or contradiction within the Bible and that something is wrong with it, that means that you have A HIDDEN AGENDA. So it is your job to tell us what is this agenda.

Yeah, I am TOP SECRET AGENT of ILLUMINATI trying to destroy Christianity from the face of Earth. And you know why Apple And Microsoft skipped iphone 9 and windows 9, cause no. letters in word Christian are 9, so it posed threat to our HIDDEN AGENDA.
Anyway, try to reconcile those chapters.

 

[Prognostic]

why God The Son doesn't know about it?

Well that's just part of the mystery of life. All you can do is embrace it!

 

[Fahad]

why God The Son doesn't know about it?

Well that's just part of the mystery of life. All you can do is embrace it!

Why would I embrace sth so conflicting, and all Christians, please, stop calling conflicts as mystery. Conflicts are conflicts, not mysteries. And actually, I can do sth else too, I better not embrace it, and if God is truth, it should prove to me he is. but if God is always conflicting and then saying mystery, sorry My God doesn't conflict.

 

[Angela53510]

Sorry, it is just emotional outrage, can't say anything about that.
For sin stuff, If I rape your daughter, will I be forgiven cause of Holy Spirit? Without any penalty? Why I would be punished? If I believe in Jesus, Holy Spirit and Father, My sins are already forgiven, I can do as many sins as much I wanna cause Jesus had already died for my sins.

This is called antinomianism. It means "against the law." A true child of God doesn't go out raping, pillaging or cutting off people's heads.

A true follower of Jesus wants to please God, and that means doing the will of the Father. That means, doing and thinking good things, and being led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit leads and guides us into all righteousness.

"As many as received him he gave the right to become a child of God." Romans 1:12

The person you describe is evil and disobedient. So they may have pretended to be saved, but they never were! But the apostle John says it better than I do! This is the Bible, telling believers not to sin, but also that if we do, we will be forgiven.

"If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.

"My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.) But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous One, 2 and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world." 1 John 1:8-10

"Now by this we know that we have come to know God: if we keep his commandments. 4 The one who says “I have come to know God” and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person. 5 But whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in him. 6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk just as Jesus walked." 1 John 2:3-6

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us, because if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But they went out from us to demonstrate that all of them do not belong to us." 1 John 2:19

You are cherry picking the Bible. I assume this is because you have never read it. Just read the New Testament. It is not corrupt, but it is the whole Word of God!

 

[Fahad]

yes, that's my understanding.



see John chapter 1 -- Jesus is the Word of God. also verse 11 here in Revelation - He is called Faithful & True; see John 14:6, Jesus said of Himself "I AM the Truth" -- moreover verse 15, He has a sword coming out of His mouth; this motif is repeated a number of times in the Bible and always associated with Christ & never anyone else. it is in . 15 as well, that He shall rule the nations with an iron scepter -- see Psalm 2:9, this is a clear reference to the Messiah. there are other markers here in the text too, but suffice these 3 to show you that this definitely Jesus Christ being spoken of, without any question or disagreement among any theologians.

however it is also clear here -- He has a name that no one but He Himself knows. but clearly also, there is nothing that God in heaven does not know; He is omniscient & knows all things -- so to say of any kind of knowledge, 'no one but He knows it' there is only one "He" that can possibly be spoken of; God Himself, from whom nothing is secret. i could quote 50 verses telling you this and if you know your Koran you could show me many more in it, too.

therefore Jesus Christ is God. see also John 21:17

Who is this person talking in John?
Who is the person talking in Revelation?
John 14:1, Believe in God and also believe in me? God and Jesus are different?
Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

Jesus the Way to the Father
5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
so Here's the context, again what he has to do with That personality in Heaven.

This is called antinomianism. It means "against the law." A true child of God doesn't go out raping, pillaging or cutting off people's heads.

A true follower of Jesus wants to please God, and that means doing the will of the Father. That means, doing and thinking good things, and being led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit leads and guides us into all righteousness.

"As many as received him he gave the right to become a child of God." Romans 1:12

The person you describe is evil and disobedient. So they may have pretended to be saved, but they never were! But the apostle John says it better than I do! This is the Bible, telling believers not to sin, but also that if we do, we will be forgiven.

"If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.

"My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.) But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous One, 2 and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world." 1 John 1:8-10

"Now by this we know that we have come to know God: if we keep his commandments. 4 The one who says “I have come to know God” and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person. 5 But whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in him. 6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk just as Jesus walked." 1 John 2:3-6

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us, because if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But they went out from us to demonstrate that all of them do not belong to us." 1 John 2:19

You are cherry picking the Bible. I assume this is because you have never read it. Just read the New Testament. It is not corrupt, but it is the whole Word of God!

I am not even quoting Bible.I am just speaking common sense, so if lead by Holy Spirit, we can't commit sin?
So if I rape, then I regret seriously, am I forgiven? without any punishment?
Secondly, what Child of God means? God the Child or Child of God?

 

[Fahad]

For people who says The Messiah was to save people from sin and quote that verse, It can also that saving people from sin by stopping people from sin. Not that literally dying to save.
Why would God die to remove the sin of mankind?
I mean, if sacrifice is important for forgiveness, we can sacrifice some sheep, goat or cow, or hen sth like that?

 

[Prognostic]

Why would I embrace sth so conflicting, and all Christians, please, stop calling conflicts as mystery. Conflicts are conflicts, not mysteries. And actually, I can do sth else too, I better not embrace it, and if God is truth, it should prove to me he is. but if God is always conflicting and then saying mystery, sorry My God doesn't conflict.

What do you mean? You're talking about something completely different. You're jumping from one thing to the next. I never said conflicts are a mystery. All I said was that we don't know and that's just the mystery of it all. If God is truth, it should prove to you He is? Does that even make sense? Something being true doesn't mean that you automatically get to see it for what it is. How is God conflicting? And when does He say mystery? What can you do? It's the same for everyone. Nobody has all the answers. All you can do is embrace the mystery of life. That's all you can do while you seek for truth and answers and wisdom. That's all anyone of us can do.

Try this: Sit back and just be still (just try it for like 5 minutes). Know that I am God. Know that you don't have all the answers and never will. Just relax chill out and embrace the mystery! It's all for you!

 

[Prognostic]

For people who says The Messiah was to save people from sin and quote that verse, It can also that saving people from sin by stopping people from sin. Not that literally dying to save.
Why would God die to remove the sin of mankind?
I mean, if sacrifice is important for forgiveness, we can sacrifice some sheep, goat or cow, or hen sth like that?

Innocence was made guilty so that the guilty could be made innocent..

 

[Fahad]

yes, that's my understanding.



see John chapter 1 -- Jesus is the Word of God. also verse 11 here in Revelation - He is called Faithful & True; see John 14:6, Jesus said of Himself "I AM the Truth" -- moreover verse 15, He has a sword coming out of His mouth; this motif is repeated a number of times in the Bible and always associated with Christ & never anyone else. it is in . 15 as well, that He shall rule the nations with an iron scepter -- see Psalm 2:9, this is a clear reference to the Messiah. there are other markers here in the text too, but suffice these 3 to show you that this definitely Jesus Christ being spoken of, without any question or disagreement among any theologians.

however it is also clear here -- He has a name that no one but He Himself knows. but clearly also, there is nothing that God in heaven does not know; He is omniscient & knows all things -- so to say of any kind of knowledge, 'no one but He knows it' there is only one "He" that can possibly be spoken of; God Himself, from whom nothing is secret. i could quote 50 verses telling you this and if you know your Koran you could show me many more in it, too.

therefore Jesus Christ is God. see also John 21:17

Lol, that Psalms reference is to David. Psalms 2
Psalms89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. That's David too.
So David is God's First one. ok?

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Got it? It is clearly talking to the people who had problem with David. For God's Sake man.

 

[Fahad]

What do you mean? You're talking about something completely different. You're jumping from one thing to the next. I never said conflicts are a mystery. All I said was that we don't know and that's just the mystery of it all. If God is truth, it should prove to you He is? Does that even make sense? Something being true doesn't mean that you automatically get to see it for what it is. How is God conflicting? And when does He say mystery? What can you do? It's the same for everyone. Nobody has all the answers. All you can do is embrace the mystery of life. That's all you can do while you seek for truth and answers and wisdom. That's all anyone of us can do.

Try this: Sit back and just be still (just try it for like 5 minutes). Know that I am God. Know that you don't have all the answers and never will. Just relax chill out and embrace the mystery! It's all for you!

I am not jumping. I am not only talking with you, I am also talking with others, and giving reference to others, and what Kind of God is he who can prove that he is God himself? and yes he must prove he is Truth. if I claim to be a woman, I better prove I am, or it won't and can't be written on my ID.

 

[posthuman]

Lol, that Psalms reference is to David. Psalms 2
Psalms89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. That's David too.
So David is God's First one. ok?

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Got it? It is clearly talking to the people who had problem with David. For God's Sake man.

you don't know what you're talking about.

read verse 12 -- blessed are those who put their trust in David?

read Psalm 118:8, Psalm 146:3. whoever trusts in a man is an idiot.
in fact, read Jeremiah 17:5 -- if you trust in a man, you are cursed. and that includes trusting in yourself.

 

[posthuman]

what Kind of God is he who can prove that he is God himself? and yes he must prove he is Truth.

what kind of person are you to demand that God prove Himself to you?

you're not even a good Muslim. a good Muslim fears God, if tho he doesn't know Him, but you think you are His judge, and would drag Him into court before you.

 

[posthuman]

lol @ Fahad thinks he's going to make Jesus do community service for penance

where is the wise man?