Is God really in control?

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I wanted to talk about how I hear so many people say God is in control. I never liked the word control to start with but what gets me is if God is a loving, awesome, amazing God and he is in control why are there starving kids in Africa? Why are there kids being abused nearly everyday? Why are there people killing themselves? If god was in control I don't think he would let these things happen.

This brings me to the conclusion God is not in control of everything. If God was in control of everything don't you think the world would be a peaceful, loving wonderful place. That certainly will be in heaven with no pain tears etc. But Jesus prayed thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

I don't think God is in control, I think God works through us but he has certainly given us free will. We can choose to follow him or go our own way and we will reap the consequences. God is certainly there reaching out to us hoping we will always turn to him but I have seen so many people turn their own way and go the way they want when God has been reaching out to them. They have had to learn for themselves.

I think when people say God is in control it is an excuse to be complacent and passive, it is an excuse to do nothing about the things you see going on around you or in this world. It is an excuse to say it will be right God will fix it but doesn't God work through us? It will be right God will forgive me? I think we have choices and we have a choice to follow God's ways or go our own way but I don't think that gives us an excuse to say oh well God is in control? I think it also stops us from standing up for justice and praying for God's will because we just go oh God is in control he knows what he is doing. But doesn't he want to partner with us to do his work here on the earth?
 
I wanted to talk about how I hear so many people say God is in control. I never liked the word control to start with but what gets me is if God is a loving, awesome, amazing God and he is in control why are there starving kids in Africa? Why are there kids being abused nearly everyday? Why are there people killing themselves? If god was in control I don't think he would let these things happen.

This brings me to the conclusion God is not in control of everything. If God was in control of everything don't you think the world would be a peaceful, loving wonderful place. That certainly will be in heaven with no pain tears etc. But Jesus prayed thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

I don't think God is in control, I think God works through us but he has certainly given us free will. We can choose to follow him or go our own way and we will reap the consequences. God is certainly there reaching out to us hoping we will always turn to him but I have seen so many people turn their own way and go the way they want when God has been reaching out to them. They have had to learn for themselves.

I think when people say God is in control it is an excuse to be complacent and passive, it is an excuse to do nothing about the things you see going on around you or in this world. It is an excuse to say it will be right God will fix it but doesn't God work through us? It will be right God will forgive me? I think we have choices and we have a choice to follow God's ways or go our own way but I don't think that gives us an excuse to say oh well God is in control? I think it also stops us from standing up for justice and praying for God's will because we just go oh God is in control he knows what he is doing. But doesn't he want to partner with us to do his work here on the earth?

God is not pushy. God's children know that. God chooses us, we don't choose god. The problem with the world is that most don't understand and try to save themselves. These are the pushy ones.
God created satan to test us and many fail the test, they misunderstand scripture thinking to act good is the answer before overcoming sin.
That is why you see all the hell you in the world.
 
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God is in control! Don't doubt it for a minute. The fancy way of saying it "God is sovereign." That means he is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

"On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords." Revelation 19:16

The problem is that you have the wrong perspective on life.

Life is not a bed of roses. It is not about our happiness. Life is not a promise of everyone having everything they want or even need.

Read the book of Job. He had it all. God tested him. God tested his friends. And in the end, he did not give an answer to Job why he had to go through the trials and tribulations he did. Because he was God!

I have a severe illness. I am in constant pain. Yet God has brought incredible good out of it. I didn't think I would say that years ago, but I have found out that God's plan is the right one. Suffering is part of life. No one gets away without some kind of trial or suffering.

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whohave been called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28

"Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance;[SUP]4 [/SUP]perseverance, character; and character, hope. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

Instead of worrying about what God is doing in remote parts of the earth, worry about what God is doing in your life. Find your purpose and calling. Maybe it will be a ministry to those people who are without enough food, or shelter, or living in a war torn country. Maybe your purpose is to be inspired to be active in the hearts and lives of those who are suffering and hurting, and you can make a big difference.

But first, you really need to get your theology straight, and stop listening to the voice of the devil, or secular humanism, for that matter. God really is in control. He cannot work with us if we do not understand this foundational doctrine.

A God who is not in control, is not a God I want to serve. That is more like an idol, who does not hear or see or act.

Instead, we worship the great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ. God is constantly teaching and transforming us to do his will. But if you do not believe in his will or his power, you will not be called to serve God.

Out of my suffering, God has given me a ministry serving the hurting and broken, the elderly and the disabled. I could not have done this in my own strength, or until God allowed me to suffer some brokenness.

Praying that you can confess your sin of thinking God is not big enough. The god you worship is not the creator of heaven and earth.

Read the Bible, and find out that since the Fall, there has never been a perfect person or life, except the one and only, Jesus Christ.

Trust me,
God is in control!
 
Most people who say God is Sovereign only believe he's partially sovereign. Maybe like, 15% sovereign.


They wouldn't dare let God touch salvation. It would mean Man's not sovereign.

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You still don't have me convinced, Jesus had to be obedient and do what God wanted him to do for God's plan to come to pass. He did what the Father showed him to do. Jesus had to act, teach, preach not just sit back and go oh God is in control he'll preach the gospel.
 
You still don't have me convinced, Jesus had to be obedient and do what God wanted him to do for God's plan to come to pass. He did what the Father showed him to do. Jesus had to act, teach, preach not just sit back and go oh God is in control he'll preach the gospel.
God's plan was that Jesus would be obeident and go to the Cross. It was God's will.

A pretty good summary:

What Is God Sovereign Over? &#8211; Justin Taylor <--- click
 
Who said we are not to preach the gospel? Of course we are, because Jesus commanded it.

"[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore andmake disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,[SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20

Let me advise you to start reading your Bible cover to cover. Then come back and ask some questions based on the Bible, not on your own knowledge, or what you have heard on TV.
 
The Bible says that “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) Many object, ‘If God is love, why does he permit wickedness?’ It is his purpose to end all wickedness, but he delays because of his love for us: “Yahweh is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) In his mercy he now permits wickedness, that repentant ones may cease doing it and live. (Ezekiel 33:14-16) But in his due time he will end wickedness by destroying those who persist in it. He will end war by ending warmongers, end crime by ending criminals, end pollution by ending polluters, end gross immorality, rape, incest, and perversion by ending those who insist on practicing them. All wickedness will end when God ends all workers of wickedness. In so doing he shows love to those who want to live in peace and righteousness. (Psalm 37:10, 11; Proverbs 2:21, 22) As any gardener knows, weeds must go before flowers can flourish.
 
Who said we are not to preach the gospel? Of course we are, because Jesus commanded it.

"[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore andmake disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,[SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20

Let me advise you to start reading your Bible cover to cover. Then come back and ask some questions based on the Bible, not on your own knowledge, or what you have heard on TV.

You don't have to be so angry settle down it's just a forum, I am allowed to state what I think.
 
The Bible says that “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) Many object, ‘If God is love, why does he permit wickedness?’ It is his purpose to end all wickedness, but he delays because of his love for us: “Yahweh is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) In his mercy he now permits wickedness, that repentant ones may cease doing it and live. (Ezekiel 33:14-16) But in his due time he will end wickedness by destroying those who persist in it. He will end war by ending warmongers, end crime by ending criminals, end pollution by ending polluters, end gross immorality, rape, incest, and perversion by ending those who insist on practicing them. All wickedness will end when God ends all workers of wickedness. In so doing he shows love to those who want to live in peace and righteousness. (Psalm 37:10, 11; Proverbs 2:21, 22) As any gardener knows, weeds must go before flowers can flourish.

Thanks for showing love, grace and patientance towards me I really appreciate it :)

In fact isn't that what these forums are for to discuss things not to be abused and bullied by one another when we don't agree. In fact if we don't agree and you see that maybe I need revelation pray for me don't tell me off and put me down. No wonder Christians have a bad name.
 
If what I said was the truth, then take warning. If not, then just ignore me!

Actually, the Bible is NOT about opinions. It is about truth! Perhaps if you read it, you would realize that.

People who don't read or know the Bible, but come up with their own false gospels give Christians a bad name!
 
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God is in control. The world looks like this because mankind has yet to learn to love one another, blaming their problems on some "spirit" instead of looking at themselves.
 
He's letting us destroy each other and help each other however we want to, to make a point.

The magnitude of our dilemma is a witness of how important the point is.

Tapping fingers near the big red button is still total control.
 
Let's understand why there is suffering in the world:

Suffering touches everyone who lives on this planet. All you have to do is pick up a daily newspaper or listen to a news broadcast to know that a great many people are suffering. They suffer because of automobile accidents or because of terrible diseases or because of crime. Some suffer because they were born in poverty, others because they were born in countries ruled by dictators. There are many causes of suffering, and the list could go on for pages. But our question is not concerned with causes. We are looking for the reasons for suffering.

To say there is suffering because there is crime, or because there are auto accidents, is not nearly enough. Our question goes far beneath the surface, where it hits at the very roots of human pain and anguish.

The first thing to be said about suffering is that most of it comes about because of the activities of a powerful supernatural being called Satan, or the devil. He delights in hurting man and in trying to turn man away from God. Very often people blame God when they suffer, but is it God's fault? Satan takes great pride in seeing God gets the "credit" for his misdeeds.

Suffering is also caused by man's rebellion against God and by the evil in men's hearts. How much suffering has been caused in the modern world, for instance, by Communism, or by men hurting other men? Godless dictators hurt their own people, and they hurt the people of neighboring nations as well. Just consider how much suffering has been caused, in this century alone, by men such as Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Mao Tse-tung. As the result of godless dictatorships, there is suffering in the form of heartbreak.

You might say that suffering is a result of freedom. God has given man a certain amount of freedom. If man were merely a robot, an automaton, then God could always force him to do what is right. But God gives man the freedom either to love and obey Him or to rebel against Him. When man rebels against God, he hurts not only himself but also his fellow man.

Something else to remember about suffering is that God set up certain natural laws to govern the universe. If it were not for the law of gravity, we would all go floating off into space. But that same law is going to cause pain to people who jump from the tops of tall buildings!

Consider the hurricane, the earth's way of releasing pent-up heat and energy. Heat from the southern climates has to move north and be discharged from the earth. When that happens, it causes a violent wind to blow. That wind, in turn, stirs up huge waves when it passes over the ocean. The hurricane is not meant to cause suffering, but if people ignore the warnings of nature, they will be injured by hurricanes.

The same is true of fault lines, such as the San Andreas Fault. Fault lines are necessary to keep the earth from just breaking apart. But if people insist upon building houses on the San Andreas Fault--as they do--then they are going to suffer when an earthquake comes. Such suffering does not result from God's intentions, but comes rather from man's foolishness. We can either go along with natural forces and accommodate ourselves to them, or we can ignore them and be hurt by them.

Much sickness, too, is man-made. Some of it is because of improper nutrition. People do not eat the right things. God gives us natural sugar, but we bleach it and make it white. We eat white bread, when whole wheat is much better for us. God gives us naturally fibrous fruit and plants, but we boil the fiber away. We do the same thing with oranges, when we squeeze the juice out of them and throw away the pulp, which is a beneficial part. We also peel potatoes and eat only the inside. In doing so, we throw away the part that God made to help us stay healthy.

It is probable that 75 to 80 percent of the illnesses in the United States are psychosomatic. We have not learned to cast all our cares upon God, as we are advised to do in I Peter 5:7, and so we let our worried and harried minds make us sick.
We also make ourselves sick voluntarily through doing such things as smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, and ingesting drugs. Automobile accidents cause fifty-six thousand deaths in our country each year--and half of those involve drunken driving.

The technological state of our society contributes to suffering too. If there were no automobiles, there would be no deaths and injuries resulting from highway accidents. Our air would not be polluted with smoke from factories and automobile exhaust if there were no cars and factories. All of these things are part of the price we pay for our state of civilization. If we do not want to pay the price, we can go back to a more primitive society. In today's world, our lifestyle is a large contributor to sickness and disease.

To illustrate again how man contributes to his own suffering, consider what has happened in Africa. The northern plain of that continent was once a beautiful, fertile, wooded area. But over several centuries, people cut down all the trees. As a result, the topsoil eroded and there was nothing left but desert. Without the protective cover of the trees, temperatures in the region rose steadily. The people moved farther south, seeking fertile land. As they moved southward, they continued cutting the trees, and consequently the desert moved southward. Today there are three-and-a-half million square miles of desert in the northern part of Africa. In northern Africa and in many other areas of the world, men have disturbed the ecological balance in nature. As a result, poverty and hunger are worse and worse.

India has a similar problem. India was once one of the most fertile lands in the entire world. But the Indian people have embraced a philosophy that says rats and cows are sacred. So the cows eat up much of the vegetation, and the rats devour a good deal of the grain. Given a new understanding of nature, proper agricultural techniques, a forestation program, and a cleansing of rivers, which are now polluted, India could be agriculturally self-sustaining.

The problem is not caused by an act of God, but it stems from man's foolishness
over a period of years, perhaps centuries. And the problems are steadily compounded
over successive generations.

There are other forms of suffering that men bring on themselves. Consider, for example, such diseases as genital herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS. These all result from a conscious lifestyle that is opposed to God's Word and breaks God's laws. God did not send herpes. It is a natural consequence of immorality. When it spreads, it becomes an incurable disease, affecting millions and millions of people.

Why does God allow this to happen? When we ask this question, it brings us back to the statement that God has created man as a free being--free even to the point of ruining much of God's creation. God has sent preachers, prophets, and other holy men to warn the people to change their ways but most will not listen. They would not listen to the prophets four thousand years ago, and most of them will not listen today.

It is true that the righteous often suffer, and this will continue as long as we live in a world of wickedness. If someone speaks out against wickedness, he is going to be involved in a struggle, and that struggle may result in pain and suffering. Jesus said, "If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you" (John 15:20).

Jesus Christ was the only perfect man who ever lived, and people killed Him. Why? Because He came into contact with evil and tried to do something about it. John the Baptist was beheaded because he told people they were breaking God's laws (see Mark 6:25-28). It has been true throughout the ages that those who are God's messengers are often set upon and hurt by the people they have tried to warn. That kind of suffering is virtually unavoidable as long as we live in a wicked world of superstition, hatred, and ignorance.

Suffering, if we allow it to, does have a way of purifying us. Many people have had to suffer in order to turn to God. Until they had their material things stripped from them, and often their health taken away, they had no desire for spiritual things.
Those who are suffering may be tempted to turn away from God. They should never allow this to happen. Instead, they should worship God and be blessed and benefited, even in the midst of their suffering. Those who hurt must remember that it is not God's will for anyone to suffer.

They must remember, too, that He will intervene for those who diligently seek Him. Thousands of people can testify that God will intervene to relieve pain and suffering, but this depends on a closeness and an intimacy with Him. Should we, then, accept everything, and thank God for whatever happens to us--good and bad?

God answers this question specifically in the Bible. "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28).

It is important to understand that accepting things is not the same thing as being resigned to them. You must accept suffering without becoming bitter, and you can accept it without resigning yourself to it. It is not your "lot in life" to suffer. Those who do suffer should never quit seeking God's touch and asking Him to set them free. Jesus said, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened" (Matthew 7:7-8). The key is to keep on asking, seeking, and knocking.

One final word about suffering. There is a certain amount of pain involved whenever growth is taking place. When people are moving to a higher level of intellectual activity, there is a struggle that has to take place, and in that struggle there is pain. When people who are great athletes are pushing through the limits of endurance to get to new records, there is constant pain. There is pain when you are running a mile or two at top speed, when your lungs are gasping and your body wants to quit. But there is also the overwhelming joy that comes when you finally do break through into that new dimension.

This kind of pain is not the same thing as suffering. Some people do not recognize
the difference between the suffering that is caused deliberately by evil and the pain that comes about through striving to reach a new plateau of experience. Such suffering merely marks the transition period of going from one level of accomplishment to a higher level.

All suffering is temporary. It will all pass away when Jesus Himself returns to the earth. Revelation 21:4 reads: "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
(Information from
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/biblestudyandtheology/perspectives/Why_There_is_Suffering_in_the_World.aspx)
 
Psalm 103:19

New International Version (NIV)

19 The Lord has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all. (Therefore, The Lord controls everything. He sovereigns)

Psalms 22:28 - For the kingdom [is] the LORD'S: and he [is] the governor among the nations.
God is in control but human being decide whether to follow Him or not.. to accept Him or not... and all Chaos that we see in the world is consequence of sin in the earth.
 
You don't have to be so angry settle down it's just a forum, I am allowed to state what I think.

I feel you're projecting. I know Angela. Seems to me she's being firm but loving. Don't mistake her concern for anger. If you think she's blunt and unloving, you wouldn't like talking with an Aussie (apparently some Americans find us impolite). Angela's actually being very reasonable.
 
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Let's understand why there is suffering in the world:

Suffering touches everyone who lives on this planet. All you have to do is pick up a daily newspaper or listen to a news broadcast to know that a great many people are suffering. They suffer because of automobile accidents or because of terrible diseases or because of crime. Some suffer because they were born in poverty, others because they were born in countries ruled by dictators. There are many causes of suffering, and the list could go on for pages. But our question is not concerned with causes. We are looking for the reasons for suffering.

To say there is suffering because there is crime, or because there are auto accidents, is not nearly enough. Our question goes far beneath the surface, where it hits at the very roots of human pain and anguish.

The first thing to be said about suffering is that most of it comes about because of the activities of a powerful supernatural being called Satan, or the devil. He delights in hurting man and in trying to turn man away from God. Very often people blame God when they suffer, but is it God's fault? Satan takes great pride in seeing God gets the "credit" for his misdeeds.

Suffering is also caused by man's rebellion against God and by the evil in men's hearts. How much suffering has been caused in the modern world, for instance, by Communism, or by men hurting other men? Godless dictators hurt their own people, and they hurt the people of neighboring nations as well. Just consider how much suffering has been caused, in this century alone, by men such as Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Mao Tse-tung. As the result of godless dictatorships, there is suffering in the form of heartbreak.

You might say that suffering is a result of freedom. God has given man a certain amount of freedom. If man were merely a robot, an automaton, then God could always force him to do what is right. But God gives man the freedom either to love and obey Him or to rebel against Him. When man rebels against God, he hurts not only himself but also his fellow man.

Something else to remember about suffering is that God set up certain natural laws to govern the universe. If it were not for the law of gravity, we would all go floating off into space. But that same law is going to cause pain to people who jump from the tops of tall buildings!

Consider the hurricane, the earth's way of releasing pent-up heat and energy. Heat from the southern climates has to move north and be discharged from the earth. When that happens, it causes a violent wind to blow. That wind, in turn, stirs up huge waves when it passes over the ocean. The hurricane is not meant to cause suffering, but if people ignore the warnings of nature, they will be injured by hurricanes.

The same is true of fault lines, such as the San Andreas Fault. Fault lines are necessary to keep the earth from just breaking apart. But if people insist upon building houses on the San Andreas Fault--as they do--then they are going to suffer when an earthquake comes. Such suffering does not result from God's intentions, but comes rather from man's foolishness. We can either go along with natural forces and accommodate ourselves to them, or we can ignore them and be hurt by them.

Much sickness, too, is man-made. Some of it is because of improper nutrition. People do not eat the right things. God gives us natural sugar, but we bleach it and make it white. We eat white bread, when whole wheat is much better for us. God gives us naturally fibrous fruit and plants, but we boil the fiber away. We do the same thing with oranges, when we squeeze the juice out of them and throw away the pulp, which is a beneficial part. We also peel potatoes and eat only the inside. In doing so, we throw away the part that God made to help us stay healthy.

It is probable that 75 to 80 percent of the illnesses in the United States are psychosomatic. We have not learned to cast all our cares upon God, as we are advised to do in I Peter 5:7, and so we let our worried and harried minds make us sick.
We also make ourselves sick voluntarily through doing such things as smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, and ingesting drugs. Automobile accidents cause fifty-six thousand deaths in our country each year--and half of those involve drunken driving.

The technological state of our society contributes to suffering too. If there were no automobiles, there would be no deaths and injuries resulting from highway accidents. Our air would not be polluted with smoke from factories and automobile exhaust if there were no cars and factories. All of these things are part of the price we pay for our state of civilization. If we do not want to pay the price, we can go back to a more primitive society. In today's world, our lifestyle is a large contributor to sickness and disease.

To illustrate again how man contributes to his own suffering, consider what has happened in Africa. The northern plain of that continent was once a beautiful, fertile, wooded area. But over several centuries, people cut down all the trees. As a result, the topsoil eroded and there was nothing left but desert. Without the protective cover of the trees, temperatures in the region rose steadily. The people moved farther south, seeking fertile land. As they moved southward, they continued cutting the trees, and consequently the desert moved southward. Today there are three-and-a-half million square miles of desert in the northern part of Africa. In northern Africa and in many other areas of the world, men have disturbed the ecological balance in nature. As a result, poverty and hunger are worse and worse.

India has a similar problem. India was once one of the most fertile lands in the entire world. But the Indian people have embraced a philosophy that says rats and cows are sacred. So the cows eat up much of the vegetation, and the rats devour a good deal of the grain. Given a new understanding of nature, proper agricultural techniques, a forestation program, and a cleansing of rivers, which are now polluted, India could be agriculturally self-sustaining.

The problem is not caused by an act of God, but it stems from man's foolishness
over a period of years, perhaps centuries. And the problems are steadily compounded
over successive generations.

There are other forms of suffering that men bring on themselves. Consider, for example, such diseases as genital herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS. These all result from a conscious lifestyle that is opposed to God's Word and breaks God's laws. God did not send herpes. It is a natural consequence of immorality. When it spreads, it becomes an incurable disease, affecting millions and millions of people.

Why does God allow this to happen? When we ask this question, it brings us back to the statement that God has created man as a free being--free even to the point of ruining much of God's creation. God has sent preachers, prophets, and other holy men to warn the people to change their ways but most will not listen. They would not listen to the prophets four thousand years ago, and most of them will not listen today.

It is true that the righteous often suffer, and this will continue as long as we live in a world of wickedness. If someone speaks out against wickedness, he is going to be involved in a struggle, and that struggle may result in pain and suffering. Jesus said, "If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you" (John 15:20).

Jesus Christ was the only perfect man who ever lived, and people killed Him. Why? Because He came into contact with evil and tried to do something about it. John the Baptist was beheaded because he told people they were breaking God's laws (see Mark 6:25-28). It has been true throughout the ages that those who are God's messengers are often set upon and hurt by the people they have tried to warn. That kind of suffering is virtually unavoidable as long as we live in a wicked world of superstition, hatred, and ignorance.

Suffering, if we allow it to, does have a way of purifying us. Many people have had to suffer in order to turn to God. Until they had their material things stripped from them, and often their health taken away, they had no desire for spiritual things.
Those who are suffering may be tempted to turn away from God. They should never allow this to happen. Instead, they should worship God and be blessed and benefited, even in the midst of their suffering. Those who hurt must remember that it is not God's will for anyone to suffer.

They must remember, too, that He will intervene for those who diligently seek Him. Thousands of people can testify that God will intervene to relieve pain and suffering, but this depends on a closeness and an intimacy with Him. Should we, then, accept everything, and thank God for whatever happens to us--good and bad?

God answers this question specifically in the Bible. "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28).

It is important to understand that accepting things is not the same thing as being resigned to them. You must accept suffering without becoming bitter, and you can accept it without resigning yourself to it. It is not your "lot in life" to suffer. Those who do suffer should never quit seeking God's touch and asking Him to set them free. Jesus said, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened" (Matthew 7:7-8). The key is to keep on asking, seeking, and knocking.

One final word about suffering. There is a certain amount of pain involved whenever growth is taking place. When people are moving to a higher level of intellectual activity, there is a struggle that has to take place, and in that struggle there is pain. When people who are great athletes are pushing through the limits of endurance to get to new records, there is constant pain. There is pain when you are running a mile or two at top speed, when your lungs are gasping and your body wants to quit. But there is also the overwhelming joy that comes when you finally do break through into that new dimension.

This kind of pain is not the same thing as suffering. Some people do not recognize
the difference between the suffering that is caused deliberately by evil and the pain that comes about through striving to reach a new plateau of experience. Such suffering merely marks the transition period of going from one level of accomplishment to a higher level.

All suffering is temporary. It will all pass away when Jesus Himself returns to the earth. Revelation 21:4 reads: "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
(Information from
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/biblestudyandtheology/perspectives/Why_There_is_Suffering_in_the_World.aspx)

thanks Bryan Campbell that really makes sense :) helps me to understand bless you
 
i think of it this way..

when it comes to us (you know humans) he did it like this, here are my rules but you have the free will to ether obey them or not. obey get a reward don't obey get a burning reward.