Is God really in control?

[chatter23]

1) God is not in control
2) Christians controlling their lives (self-control?) is why PAUL said there are many sick among you.

WRONG


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WRONG


a quieter mind might pick up a better signal.

Well, hello again.
Sorry, but, God gave man a choice to control their own lives and when they don't they bring suffering upon themselves.
God is love and does not cause suffering, mankind does it to themselves.
It is satan in man that is the cause of all hell on earth.
Why do you think He created satan?



If God was in control, this would not happen.

 

[tdrew777]

Well, hello again.
Sorry, but, God gave man a choice to control their own lives and when they don't they bring suffering upon themselves.
God is love and does not cause suffering, mankind does it to themselves.
It is satan in man that is the cause of all hell on earth.
Why do you think He created satan?



If God was in control, this would not happen.

Most of this happened (hell never happened on earth, but, OK).
The bible says God is in control.
The bible says God is good.
It is up to us to believe and make philosophical sense of it.

 

[zone]

Well, hello again.
Sorry, but, God gave man a choice to control their own lives and when they don't they bring suffering upon themselves.
God is love and does not cause suffering, mankind does it to themselves.
It is satan in man that is the cause of all hell on earth.
Why do you think He created satan?
If God was in control, this would not happen.

so, you have God not in control
Satan the cause of all suffering
Man the cause of all suffering
And for what reason do you say God created Satan? to cause misery and suffering?

study up
(tm bowman)

 

[chatter23]

Most of this happened (hell never happened on earth, but, OK).
The bible says God is in control.
The bible says God is good.
It is up to us to believe and make philosophical sense of it.

Ask people watching their children suffering or who have lost their children, ask people dying from cancer and then tell me who Is in control of their lives if there is no hell on earth. Did God cause these things or demons?
Yes the bible is good, but, most don 't understand it, they only understand what please their egos, but miss many truths that don't please the ego.

People have taken over God's control and He allows it.

 

[chatter23]

so, you have God not in control
Satan the cause of all suffering
Man the cause of all suffering
And for what reason do you say God created Satan? to cause misery and suffering?

Read below, my answers are there and see for yourself.
Of course I don't expect you to agree, and that is your mistake.

No God did not create satan to destroy us, He created satan to test us and most don't pass the test.

 

[tdrew777]

Ask people watching their children suffering or who have lost their children, ask people dying from cancer and then tell me who Is in control of their lives if there is no hell on earth. Did God cause these things or demons?
Yes the bible is good, but, most don 't understand it, they only understand what please their egos, but miss many truths that don't please the ego.

People have taken over God's control and He allows it.

Because you say that people don't understand the bible, you feel justified ignoring what the bible obviously states.
Start your understanding from the scriptures. Then, form your philosophy. Don't philosophize first and then look at the scriptures later.

God is good, just and all-powerful. And after Adam's rebellion, he allowed the world to develop just as we have seen it. And then….well, you'll have to read the end of the book, I won't spoil it for you. And God through it all, shows himself good, more than fair and all-powerful.

 

[psychomom]

Ask people watching their children suffering or who have lost their children, ask people dying from cancer and then tell me who Is in control of their lives if there is no hell on earth. Did God cause these things or demons?
Yes the bible is good, but, most don 't understand it, they only understand what please their egos, but miss many truths that don't please the ego.

People have taken over God's control and He allows it.

My nephew died one month after his 9th birthday, 21 months after his father died.

My sister says with Job, "The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord."

She's sad, but she understands God had a greater purpose in her little one's death, and she offers this sacrifice of praise.
I don't know how she would have gotten through it had she not known God is in control.

Sad things happening and God's sovereignty are not mutually exclusive.

 

[zone]

Read below, my answers are there and see for yourself.
Of course I don't expect you to agree, and that is your mistake.

my not agreeing is my mistake?
doubt it.

No God did not create satan to destroy us, He created satan to test us and most don't pass the test.

really....

are you passing the test?

 

[chatter23]

Because you say that people don't understand the bible, you feel justified ignoring what the bible obviously states.
Start your understanding from the scriptures. Then, form your philosophy. Don't philosophize first and then look at the scriptures later.

God is good, just and all-powerful. And after Adam's rebellion, he allowed the world to develop just as we have seen it. And then….well, you'll have to read the end of the book, I won't spoil it for you. And God through it all, shows himself good, more than fair and all-powerful.

I don't need to study from the bible, The Holy Spirit is my teacher and few realize that is where true salvation comes from,.
I know scripture from the inside. I don't fill my mind with verse and chapter.
I can tell you are a decent man, but there is more to salvation than meets the eye. This is a spiritual path not an intellectual path.
I don't have a religious bone in my body, but a spiritual one.

 

[chatter23]

My nephew died one month after his 9th birthday, 21 months after his father died.

My sister says with Job, "The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord."

She's sad, but she understands God had a greater purpose in her little one's death, and she offers this sacrifice of praise.
I don't know how she would have gotten through it had she not known God is in control.

Sad things happening and God's sovereignty are not mutually exclusive.

When God gives, He does not take away, that passage is misconstrued.

 

[chatter23]

my not agreeing is my mistake?
doubt it.



really....

are you passing the test?

Sarcasm is your enemy.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Sarcasm is your enemy.

Hate is your weapon of choice.

 

[zone]

I don't need to study from the bible, The Holy Spirit is my teacher and few realize that is where true salvation comes from

I know scripture from the inside. I don't fill my mind with verse and chapter.

I don't have a religious bone in my body, but a spiritual one.

 

[Richie_2uk]

God is not pushy. God's children know that. God chooses us, we don't choose god. The problem with the world is that most don't understand and try to save themselves. These are the pushy ones.
God created satan to test us and many fail the test, they misunderstand scripture thinking to act good is the answer before overcoming sin.
That is why you see all the hell you in the world.

Wait what? God created Satan to test us? Woe a statement gone to far there sorry to say. God did not create Satan to test us at all. Satan was however created to worship God. Because Satan's rebelious jelsusy he was banned and kicked out from heaven, so Satan then became a prince of the air. He was then doomed to hell. So he came to earth to create followers for himself. Yes God allows Satan's sinful ways to influence us people, in hope we are strong to turn against Satan. God does however uses Satan to as you say to test us, But he was not created to test us initially. Sorry Sister. But that is a wrong statement. God bless.

 

[zone]

My sister says with Job, "The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord."

When God gives, He does not take away, that passage is misconstrued.

Job 1
20Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” 22 In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.

Deuteronomy 32
'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Revelation 22
18I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. 20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus

I don't need to study from the bible....I know scripture from the inside.....I don't fill my mind with verse and chapter.

h'obviously (not)

 

[RedTent]

The book of Daniel gives an account of how God's control works out, it shows our world is operated by both an overall plan of the creator, and how our sin interferes with that plan.

I have gone through the 613 suggestions scripture gives BC for living in our world with what is peace in the spiritual sense. To have this peace, we would also need our physical needs cared for. Some of the laws have been fulfilled by Christ, like all those pertaining to blood or the temple. Not gotten rid of, but carried out completely. Some are given in "legalistic way to do this" so you have to search for the heart of the law we are supposed to look at. For some, scripture says that if a person is bent on living like this it is better they not live at all, it is that serious. Those scriptures are extremely difficult to take.

But if these directions for living were carried out, even in today's world, our world would be secure, we would be protected.

I searched for an example of people who lived with these laws as a guide. I found it in a history of Jewish people in the middle ages, among people who weren't living through Christ but only the law. Just by following these guidelines, without the truth of Christ, they created a secure world within a world of crime and sin. They honored marriage, they helped their children make the most of their talents, men and women worked side by side to create a loving home, they banded together when trouble threatened from the outside, they spent their entire energies listening and worshipping their creator. It was an entire book explaining how this affected their world.

I was jealous. God is in control and wants only good for us, but our actions, as we live through faith in His word or fail to, also affect it. When our teens have sex with dating, when we snub someone in church, when what we desire comes before what God wants of us, we pay dearly.

 

[chatter23]

Wait what? God created Satan to test us? Woe a statement gone to far there sorry to say. God did not create Satan to test us at all. Satan was however created to worship God. Because Satan's rebelious jelsusy he was banned and kicked out from heaven, so Satan then became a prince of the air. He was then doomed to hell. So he came to earth to create followers for himself. Yes God allows Satan's sinful ways to influence us people, in hope we are strong to turn against Satan. God does however uses Satan to as you say to test us, But he was not created to test us initially. Sorry Sister. But that is a wrong statement. God bless.

Oh My God are you amiss. Satan is speaking to you right now to deceive you and why do you think scripture calls satan a deceiver?????
Use your common sense and read scripture right.?

 

[chatter23]

Job 1
20Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” 22 In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.

Deuteronomy 32
'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Revelation 22
18I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. 20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus



h'obviously (not)

Many scriptures were written by man.. I listen to the Holy Spirit. After I had an exorcism over 40 years ago, He took away my anger, sickness I suffered since childhood caused by my anger and that gift remained. That exorcism was also a gift.
When you depend on words alone you are missing the mark.
Your sarcasm is not a gift from God, but, from satan. If you would have the gift of hungering and thirsting for truth about yourself, you might understand what I am saying. Where there is no hunger, one cannot be filled. You need a good dose of manna.

 

[chatter23]

Many scriptures were written by man.. I listen to the Holy Spirit. After I had an exorcism over 40 years ago, He took away my anger, sickness I suffered since childhood caused by my anger and that gift remained. That exorcism was also a gift.
When you depend on words alone you are missing the mark.
Your sarcasm is not a gift from God, but, from satan. If you would have the gift of hungering and thirsting for truth about yourself, you might understand what I am saying. Where there is no hunger, one cannot be filled. You need a good dose of manna.[/QUOTE

]In other words, (I just found) 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

 

[Hoffco]

One is very foolish to say ."I don't need to read the scriptures" Chatter23 You must have a false view of thinking that the Bible is full of human errors. And we have to decerfer what is the real truth in God's ,Half true,?, book. I would hate to live that way. I think there are a few,very few, errors in the Bible, but no doctrine of the Bible is in danger because of Human error. We can be absolutely assured that God has His word absolutely secure "IN HEAVEN", word Perfect. Love to all, Hoffco