And the fact that you call it an "idol" displays your ignorance about this matter.
Is God's Word Inerrant
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Having high respect for God's word find what is considered error, to be us erring in our understanding, as Jesus said...
And by the way to separate yourself from unbelieving family is hate, putting to death the relationship, I did not need that explained, have no one in my life, no family and suffer the consequences: depression that caused me to seek the Lord for Help. "In dying we Live." You could go on with differences in interpretations of the 4 Gospels and see the reason for it as well. The order of the 4 Gospels is the same order as the 4 creatures in revelations...
Here is a great way to look at it without causing too much conflict (I hope):
If your mother tells you something, you believe it. Your mother may not be inerrant but since when is being inerrant required to believe something? We listen to our relatives and friends who are not inerrant. The same was with the Apostles before the New Testament even existed.
This line of thinking where everything must be biblical is not very logical, think about it. If you were one of the people in Thessalonica when Paul came into town to preach and teach, you would be forced to reject him, because he is just a mere man speaking. This is how many Jews rejected the Gospel, they just did not believe because they had their Torah and rabbinic traditions and that was all there is to it.
Now before anyone is up in arms ready to torch me, I am saying that Paul and the other Apostles were inspired by the Holy Spirit yes certainly. However just because it is in the Bible, does not mean it is correct, there are instances where Job's friends were saying something, and where even the devil himself is recorded as saying something in the Bible. I doubt anyone quotes what the devil said as recorded in the Bible and says "Amen its true, it is in the Bible, God's word!". We know better than that.
The purpose of the Bible is not to be an idol or a god, but the purpose of the Bible is to LEAD US to Him who Himself is the resurrection and the life, and that would be Jesus Christ.
John 5:39 ""You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;"
If your mother tells you something, you believe it. Your mother may not be inerrant but since when is being inerrant required to believe something? We listen to our relatives and friends who are not inerrant. The same was with the Apostles before the New Testament even existed.
This line of thinking where everything must be biblical is not very logical, think about it. If you were one of the people in Thessalonica when Paul came into town to preach and teach, you would be forced to reject him, because he is just a mere man speaking. This is how many Jews rejected the Gospel, they just did not believe because they had their Torah and rabbinic traditions and that was all there is to it.
Now before anyone is up in arms ready to torch me, I am saying that Paul and the other Apostles were inspired by the Holy Spirit yes certainly. However just because it is in the Bible, does not mean it is correct, there are instances where Job's friends were saying something, and where even the devil himself is recorded as saying something in the Bible. I doubt anyone quotes what the devil said as recorded in the Bible and says "Amen its true, it is in the Bible, God's word!". We know better than that.
The purpose of the Bible is not to be an idol or a god, but the purpose of the Bible is to LEAD US to Him who Himself is the resurrection and the life, and that would be Jesus Christ.
John 5:39 ""You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;"
So, in your eyes, the fact that people like myself defend the word of God is idolatry...WOW! I wonder how God feels about those who defend His word?
But, see? Even there you are changing what was actually mistakenly written by translators...... making the original words you first read "errant." There is not one word written there about "unbelieving" family. In fact, God wants us to hold Him above even "believing" family. Above even the priests of their temples. Above your own life.
You had to actually substitute different words than were written, to get the meaning you expressed.
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The bible can come across as contradictory If It Is not read In context.
Example
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James 2:24
King James version(KJV)
24.)Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Romans 4:1-3
King James version(KJV)
1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3.)For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
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John 3:16
King James version(KJV)
16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Example
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James 2:24
King James version(KJV)
24.)Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Romans 4:1-3
King James version(KJV)
1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3.)For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
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John 3:16
King James version(KJV)
16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
In God's eyes you are not defending anything friend, you are putting a version/translation above the Word....and when we put anything above the Word, it is an idol....
You exalt the KJV above the Word, which means it is an idol to you....The KJV was put together by a homosexual king, wishing to keep his very immoral life secret....t
You are also carried away by the doctrine of demons called dispensation and the rapture....this alone proves who is really ignorant of the Word.
either itss true and we believe every word. or its not and we r just wasting time.
make your choice.
make your choice.
Meggido,
Making false accusations against Christians is a very serious offence in the eyes of God. But that is exactly what you have done here. Your false accusations can be easily refuted but it would be a waste of time and effort. False accusations were also made against Christ and His apostles, so just get off your high horse and kept these accusations to yourself. If you disagree with someone it does not make their doctrine a doctrine of devils. But when you make false accusations, you show that you are under the control of the one who is the Accuser of the Brethren.
Those who uphold the King James Bible -- the Authorized Version -- as the uncorrupted Word of God have facts and history on their side. That is not idolizing a Bible but defending the true Word of God, which has been under attack for a very long time and needs to be defended.
Those who mock the KJV have mere propaganda on their side. The same goes for Dispensationalism and a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Bible supports these doctrines, but if you do not agree you can simply express your disagreement.
The KJV is just as much the Word as the one you use. Who are you to judge anyone or the Word itself?
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Are you guys going to fill up the thread with crap-talk, or are you going to have a little respect for the OP and the thread topic?
Based on the thread title, I would say that - if anything - two things need to be "nailed-down" to clear up misunderstanding:
1) How is "God's Word" to be defined for the discussion.
2) What does 'Inerrant' mean in the context of the discussion.
What the word 'Inspired' means is a separate-but-connected issue.
Now -- does anyone want to have a real discussion on the topic -- or, is the thread doomed already to side-step issues and pretense offenses?
Based on the thread title, I would say that - if anything - two things need to be "nailed-down" to clear up misunderstanding:
1) How is "God's Word" to be defined for the discussion.
2) What does 'Inerrant' mean in the context of the discussion.
What the word 'Inspired' means is a separate-but-connected issue.
Now -- does anyone want to have a real discussion on the topic -- or, is the thread doomed already to side-step issues and pretense offenses?