Is it a sin to drink alcohol

[WithinReason]

Vinegar comes from wine, the wine comes from the fermented fruit. The fruit from the vine is not fermented. It has to ferment before it becomes wine.

You might review the scriptures before you make your prophesy of scripture because you would find that the scriptures reprove what you claim.


They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. Matt 27:34

And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. .Matt 27:48


29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
John 19:29-30


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To 'receive' is not to drink, but to 'taste' as it was given, and is linked to having tasted 'death' for every man. It's also offered on a hyssop branch (spunge; John 19:29) to a dying man, not in a stein or keg at a frat.

 

[azamzimtoti]

No it's not.

 

[WithinReason]

No it's not.

Alcohol isn't juice of the grape, it's the corruption of it. So therefore, "No, it (alcohol) is not" the fruit of the vine.

 

[Mikhal]

No, its clearly not... UNLESS, you have Alcoholic tendencies like me. I cannot drink alcohol, not even a drop (nor do i want to). Does the enemy use Alcohol and other substances to destroy us if they can? Absolutely.
As with anything and everything, use your bible for guidance and if things get out of hand, quit it 😬❤.

 

[azamzimtoti]

(John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now)

Strong's Concordance:

G3184 methuo meth-oo'-o

from another form of G3178;

to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk.

(1 Cor 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.)

 

[Brandnewday]

God's word has much to say about the consumption of fermented and unfermented wine. In ancient times wine could be fermented grape juice mixed with water, thus making it somewhat diluted. Fermented wine could also be made without adding water and making it more intoxicating. The Bible often describes this type of wine as "strong drink". Without question the Bible condemns drinking to the point where a person is drunk. As Christians we are commanded to not let our bodies be enslaved by anything (1 Corinthians 6: 12) and getting drunk with alcohol would certainly fall under this category. Christians should not do anything that hinders the Holy Spirit's influence on us. A person who consumes alcohol to the point where they are drunk has let the alcohol influence their decision making instead of being "filled by the spirit". Alcohol by itself is not tainted by sin, it is the drunkenness and addiction to it that a Christian must absolutely stay away from. Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or anything else containing alcohol in it. As a matter of fact, there are times the Bible speaks of alcohol in a positive light.

Ephesians 5:18 "be not drunk with wine where in excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit." This passage of scripture is warning us to not be "drunk" or drinking to the point where it is to much or "excess". Drinking to much leads to intoxication, which leads to bad decisions. God wants us to be filled by the Holy Spirit which leads and guides us into making better decisions in life.

Exodus 32:6-7 The people were so intoxicated with wine that the Lord said, "they have corrupted themselves."
Proverbs 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise." To be led astray is to be led by the intoxication of wine, where God wants us to be lead by the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 31:4-7 verse 4 says that it is not for kings to drink wine. If the king is drunk and is under its influence, he may forget the law, his morals, or himself. A drunken king will use bad judgement when making important decisions concerning his kingdom. A king who stays drunk all the time cannot lead his people or country. Now notice in verse 6 this passage is actually giving permission to drink intoxicating wine. "strong drink" to those who are about to die and may need it for pain and "wine" who have a heavy heart and is afflicted with anxiety, nervousness, or something troubling them emotionally.

Final thoughts
It is incorrect to say that wine in the Bible was just simply grape juice, but equally incorrect to say that wine was fermented the same as modern day. It has been clinically proven that a glass of red wine soothes the stomach. The drunken state is what the Bible most warns about. The fact is, many people have a problem with having just "one glass" of red wine and want to keep going until it is too late. They become enslaved by the alcohol and do and say things they normally wouldn't. For these people it is a good idea to stay completely away from any kind of alcohol beverage. Keep in mind, back in ancient times the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. It is still true today in some third world countries where immediately after you step off an airplane they tell you not to drink the water! Regarding alcohol and its effects it has on people, the easy temptation to consume more than one can handle, and due to the possibility causing another brother or sister stumbling in their walk with Christ, it may be best for a Christian to abstain from drinking all together.
God bless everyone!

It is a sin to become drunk by consuming spirits. It isn't a sin to drink alcohol. What do we think was served at the last supper? Coffee?

 

[WithinReason]

(John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now)

Strong's Concordance:

G3184 methuo meth-oo'-o

from another form of G3178;

to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk.

(1 Cor 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.)

Strong's Concordance, also includes the definition of "drink well", "drink freely" (without restriction), which mean to 'drink to the full', 'filled with drink', and does not merely mean drunkeness as you suppose (though it can mean that in certain contexts). The inherent definition does not merely mean to be consumed of alcohol (though it can mean that in certain contexts), but includes drinking of water, milk, juice, etc (whatever is drank), and in metaphor, even blood.

For instance (G3184):

Isa 58:11 KJB - And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.​

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Isa 58:11 septuaginta - καὶ ἔσται ὁ θεός σου μετὰ σοῦ διὰ παντός· καὶ ἐμπλησθήσῃ καθάπερ ἐπιθυμεῖ ἡ ψυχή σου, καὶ τὰ ὀστᾶ σου πιανθήσεται, καὶ ἔσῃ ὡς κῆπος μεθύων καὶ ὡς πηγὴ ἣν μὴ ἐξέλιπεν ὕδωρ, καὶ τὰ ὀστᾶ σου ὡς βοτάνη ἀνατελεῖ καὶ πιανθήσεται, καὶ κληρονομήσουσι γενεὰς γενεῶν.​

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Isa 58:11 Brentons septuaginta - and thy God shall be with thee continually, and thou shalt be satisfied according as thy soul desires; and thy bones shall be made fat, and shall be as a well-watered garden, and as a fountain from which the water has not failed.​

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Isa 58:11 septuaginta with Strong's/Robinson's - καιG2532 CONJ εσταιG1510 V-FMI-3S οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM σουG4771 P-GS μεταG3326 PREP σουG4771 P-GS διαG1223 PREP παντοςG3956 A-GSM καιG2532 CONJ εμπλησθησηV-FPI-2S καθαπερG2509 ADV επιθυμειG1937 V-PAI-3S ηG3588 T-NSF ψυχηG5590 N-NSF σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN οσταG3747 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS πιανθησεταιV-FPI-3S καιG2532 CONJ εσηG1510 V-FMI-2S ωςG3739 PRT κηποςG2779 N-NSM μεθυωνG3184 V-PAPNS καιG2532 CONJ ωςG3739 PRT πηγηG4077 N-NSF ηνG3739 R-ASF μηG3165 ADV εξελιπενG1587 V-AAI-3S υδωρG5204 N-NSN καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN οσταG3747 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS ωςG3739 PRT βοτανηG1008 N-NSF ανατελειG393 V-FAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ πιανθησεταιV-FPI-3S καιG2532 CONJ κληρονομησουσιG2816 V-FAI-3P γενεαςG1074 N-APF γενεωνG1074 N-GPF​

John 2 is another such place. They would well-drink of the fresh juice of the grape, for the wedding, and when that ran out, they would bring in the mixed with water storage juice (it was syrupy and thus needed mixing with water).

Webster' 1828 includes this as a definition also, when it says:

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"... Drenched or saturated with moisture or liquor ..." - http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/drunk​

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We already covered that "liquor" simply means that which is "liquid" (see Webster's again). It even gives a definitional sentence of being satiated with blood (ie blood 'drunk', meaning in battle).

 

[WithinReason]

It isn't a sin to drink alcohol.

Yes it is, as has been demonstrated in this thread.

What do we think was served at the last supper?

It doesn't matter what we think, it only matters what scripture says. Scripture, in the Gospels, calls that which is served at the last supper, "fruit of the vine" (alcohol is never a fruit of the vine), and is directly linked to the Passover services, as found in the OT, wherein no leaven (no fermentation) was allowed upon the Table of the LORD, see Sanctuary.

 

[Brandnewday]

Strong's Concordance, also includes the definition of "drink well", "drink freely" (without restriction), which mean to 'drink to the full', 'filled with drink', and does not merely mean drunkeness as you suppose (though it can mean that in certain contexts). The inherent definition does not merely mean to be consumed of alcohol (though it can mean that in certain contexts), but includes drinking of water, milk, juice, etc (whatever is drank), and in metaphor, even blood.

For instance (G3184):

Isa 58:11 KJB - And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.​

​

Isa 58:11 septuaginta - καὶ ἔσται ὁ θεός σου μετὰ σοῦ διὰ παντός· καὶ ἐμπλησθήσῃ καθάπερ ἐπιθυμεῖ ἡ ψυχή σου, καὶ τὰ ὀστᾶ σου πιανθήσεται, καὶ ἔσῃ ὡς κῆπος μεθύων καὶ ὡς πηγὴ ἣν μὴ ἐξέλιπεν ὕδωρ, καὶ τὰ ὀστᾶ σου ὡς βοτάνη ἀνατελεῖ καὶ πιανθήσεται, καὶ κληρονομήσουσι γενεὰς γενεῶν.​

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Isa 58:11 Brentons septuaginta - and thy God shall be with thee continually, and thou shalt be satisfied according as thy soul desires; and thy bones shall be made fat, and shall be as a well-watered garden, and as a fountain from which the water has not failed.​

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Isa 58:11 septuaginta with Strong's/Robinson's - καιG2532 CONJ εσταιG1510 V-FMI-3S οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM σουG4771 P-GS μεταG3326 PREP σουG4771 P-GS διαG1223 PREP παντοςG3956 A-GSM καιG2532 CONJ εμπλησθησηV-FPI-2S καθαπερG2509 ADV επιθυμειG1937 V-PAI-3S ηG3588 T-NSF ψυχηG5590 N-NSF σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN οσταG3747 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS πιανθησεταιV-FPI-3S καιG2532 CONJ εσηG1510 V-FMI-2S ωςG3739 PRT κηποςG2779 N-NSM μεθυωνG3184 V-PAPNS καιG2532 CONJ ωςG3739 PRT πηγηG4077 N-NSF ηνG3739 R-ASF μηG3165 ADV εξελιπενG1587 V-AAI-3S υδωρG5204 N-NSN καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN οσταG3747 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS ωςG3739 PRT βοτανηG1008 N-NSF ανατελειG393 V-FAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ πιανθησεταιV-FPI-3S καιG2532 CONJ κληρονομησουσιG2816 V-FAI-3P γενεαςG1074 N-APF γενεωνG1074 N-GPF​

John 2 is another such place. They would well-drink of the fresh juice of the grape, for the wedding, and when that ran out, they would bring in the mixed with water storage juice (it was syrupy and thus needed mixing with water).

Webster' 1828 includes this as a definition also, when it says:

​

"... Drenched or saturated with moisture or liquor ..." - http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/drunk​

​

We already covered that "liquor" simply means that which is "liquid" (see Webster's again). It even gives a definitional sentence of being satiated with blood (ie blood 'drunk', meaning in battle).

Are you a recovering alcoholic?

 

[Brandnewday]

Yes it is, as has been demonstrated in this thread.

It doesn't matter what we think, it only matters what scripture says. Scripture, in the Gospels, calls that which is served at the last supper, "fruit of the vine" (alcohol is never a fruit of the vine), and is directly linked to the Passover services, as found in th OT, wherein no leaven (no fermentation) was allowed upon the Table of the LORD, see Sanctuary.

See biochemistry. You're wrong. There is a world of difference between leaven and fermentation.

 

[WithinReason]

Webster's makes this clear when it says: "... Note. drunk was formerly used as the participle of drink; ..." - http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/drunk

It didn't have to be alcohol in relation to the word or context.

 

[student]

Look to the Hebrew and the Greek....I don't recall the Hebrew word but in Greek, wine is either Onios - or Tirosh - non alcoholic.
I know those are the words. I'll let Jim teach...my memory fades.
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Dr. Jim Kaseman

About a century ago, some reputable Hebrew and Greek scholars set forth solid evidence showing that the major words that were translated “wine” in Scripture (Hebrew – yayin, Greek – onios) could mean either fermented or unfermented grape juice. The research of these men clearly demonstrated that the context of divine approval or disapproval in any given passage was the determining factor for interpretation rather than the innate meaning of these words. Consequently, the church has been able to boldly speak against the use of alcohol in any society.

It is important both for the purity and power of the church that the long withheld and suppressed message be exposed to all once again: Alcohol is never approved by God in any amount for the obedient Christian. Alcohol is perhaps the most dangerous drug in any culture because of its complete acceptance by society, its total availability to the populace, and its devastating effect on every area of life- including families, individual health, safety of people from accidents and violence, schools, employment, and government.

It is my prayer that Christians all over the world will boldly take a Biblical position on the use of alcohol so that the church will no longer be conformed to the world, but will be renewed in the things of God and be more effective in reaching the world with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
https://www.afcminternational.org/bible-say-wine-alcohol/
This is the link to the rest of the story. Blessings - student

 

[WithinReason]

Are you a recovering alcoholic?

I am a recovering sin-aholic.

 

[student]

To note, alcohol is sold as "Wine and spirits" or "LIquour and Spirits". They are not holy spirits...as you can tell in the immorality of people upon using. Jesus would not have been able to be the savior if he imbibed unholy spirits. Food for thought.

 

[Brandnewday]

I am a recovering sin-aholic.

That wasn't the question. Are you a recovering alcoholic? If you know the 12 steps you know to answer truthfully.

 

[Brandnewday]

To note, alcohol is sold as "Wine and spirits" or "LIquour and Spirits". They are not holy spirits...as you can tell in the immorality of people upon using. Jesus would not have been able to be the savior if he imbibed unholy spirits. Food for thought.

If the wine spoken of in the bible was not alcoholic Paul would have had no reason to warn readers not to get drunk on wine. Because one cannot get drunk on grape juice.
And the Greek word was Oinos .

 

[WithinReason]

If the wine spoken of in the bible was not alcoholic Paul would have had no reason to warn readers not to get drunk on wine. Because one cannot get drunk on grape juice.
And the Greek word was Oinos .

Depending upon the situation and condition of the 'juice', yes they can. See Noah.

Gen 9:21 καὶ ἔπιεν ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου καὶ ἐμεθύσθη καὶ ἐγυμνώθη ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ αὐτοῦ.

 

[Jackson123]

Yes it is, as has been demonstrated in this thread.

It doesn't matter what we think, it only matters what scripture says. Scripture, in the Gospels, calls that which is served at the last supper, "fruit of the vine" (alcohol is never a fruit of the vine), and is directly linked to the Passover services, as found in the OT, wherein no leaven (no fermentation) was allowed upon the Table of the LORD, see Sanctuary.

1 timothy 5

23 Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

24 The sins of some are obvious, reaching the place of judgment ahead of them; the sins of others trail behind them. 25 In the same way, good deeds are obvious, and even those that are not obvious cannot remain hidden forever.

 

[Brandnewday]

Depending upon the situation and condition of the 'juice', yes they can. See Noah.
Gen 9:21 καὶ ἔπιεν ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου καὶ ἐμεθύσθη καὶ ἐγυμνώθη ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ αὐτοῦ.

Yes, Noah got drunk on alcoholic wine. Not grape juice. The "condition of the juices" would be fermentation You could drink Welchs grape juice till you are ready to throw up and you would not get a buzz. See , biochemistry.

What you're missing in your reach to say the bible never referred to the drinking of fermented grape is the difference between the biochemical actions in leavening and that of fermentation.
The leaven or leavening agent when making bread can be yeast, sourdough, or baking soda. That is an agent that helps make dough rise. In the bible you'll notice unleavened bread being referred to exclusively. That is because leaven was forbidden to be used in sacrifices made to the Lord's fire.

That rule isn't applicable in the process of fermentation of grapes. In fermentation you're talking about enzymatic anaerobic biochemical reactions, carbonic maseration, that convert the sugars in grapes to alcohol by using cultured yeasts or wild yeasts, depending on what is desired from the yield. There is no such thing as "non-alcoholic" sometimes called, unfortified, wine. There's grape juice and there is wine. Both were in the bible.
Scripture warned against getting drunk. Not on drinking either one.

 

[azamzimtoti]

John 2 is another such place. They would well-drink of the fresh juice of the grape, for the wedding, and when that ran out, they would bring in the mixed with water storage juice (it was syrupy and thus needed mixing with water).).

Cherry picking Brenton does not prove your case as to usage.

LXX Concordance for μεθύων


μεθύων — 8x G3184 μεθύω

1Sa 25:36 - And Abigail came to Nabal; and, behold, he held a feast in his house, like the feast of a king; and Nabal's heart was merry within him, for he was very drunken: wherefore she told him nothing, less or more, until the morning light.

1Ki 16:9 - And his servant Zimri, captain of half his chariots, conspired against him, as he was in Tirzah, drinking himself drunk in the house of Arza steward of his house in Tirzah

1Ki 20:16 - And they went out at noon. But Benhadad was drinking himself drunk in the pavilions, he and the kings, the thirty and two kings that helped him

Job 12:25 - They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man

Isa 24:20 - The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Psa 107:27 - They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits' end.

Isa 19:14 - The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Isa 58:11 - And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

Sauce

The usage of G3183 in the new testament ALL refer to drunkenness/intoxication.

It's common even today to bring out the best alcohol first and later on the cheap stuff just as in the case of Jesus at the wedding.

You need to get a more productive hobby.

How about home brew?